Mouse Utopia

[+OverSword]

In this experiment scientists build a mouse habitat designed for minimum stress on mice built to hold a population optimally of about 6,000 mice. They put a few in Mouse Utopia and watched what happens to mouse society as the population grows.  Do we live in a version of Mouse Utopia in the West?  Maybe.

[Abramelin]

When I read the title of this thread, the first thing I had to think of is the end of "The Green Mile".

[Opus Magnus]

I think the major difference between John Calhoun's experiment and humanity is the observer.  In the experiment Calhoun gives the mice an unlimited supply of water, food and shelter.  In humanity the supplier of these necessities is a socialist government.  In the experiment it is human to mouse, but in humanity it is human government to human.  Many parts of the experiment are coming true in the industrialized world, but could turn out different with humanity because the relationship is different.  In the Mouse Utopia, Calhoun is like God, but in humanity it is human, to human government, to God.

Edited October 16 by Opus Magnus

[Coil]

The experiment with mice was not reliable and could not be extrapolated to humanity because the experimenter did not resettle the mice that were born but kept them in a pen so that they simply had nowhere to go but to sit and eat. And when there were too many of them per unit of space, the population began to die out. And in natural conditions, the population of mice always remains, since there are huge areas of crops and lands, human houses where you can live, there is no overpopulation, since predators and people would reduce the population, so in nature, in natural conditions, everything is balanced.

If we talk about humanity, then we are not threatened by overpopulation, the planet can feed 50 billion people.Humanity will perish not from overpopulation but for other reasons.

[+OverSword]

On 10/17/2024 at 2:09 PM, Coil said:

The experiment with mice was not reliable and could not be extrapolated to humanity because the experimenter did not resettle the mice that were born but kept them in a pen so that they simply had nowhere to go but to sit and eat. And when there were too many of them per unit of space, the population began to die out. And in natural conditions, the population of mice always remains, since there are huge areas of crops and lands, human houses where you can live, there is no overpopulation, since predators and people would reduce the population, so in nature, in natural conditions, everything is balanced.

If we talk about humanity, then we are not threatened by overpopulation, the planet can feed 50 billion people.Humanity will perish not from overpopulation but for other reasons.

There was no overpopulation in the experiment.  Once it reached about half capacity mouse society started to collapse and unhealthy mouse behavior became regular and the population didn't continue to expand.

[Coil]

On 10/28/2024 at 3:30 PM, OverSword said:

There was no overpopulation in the experiment.  Once it reached about half capacity mouse society started to collapse and unhealthy mouse behavior became regular and the population didn't continue to expand.

All the same, artificial conditions lead to incorrect results. I do not trust artificial experiments. Our planet has been destroyed many times but some individuals survived, changed, and continued to evolve again.Behind Nature stands God, he knows better how to lead evolution than man in his experiments.

[+OverSword]

4 minutes ago, Coil said:

All the same, artificial conditions lead to incorrect results. I do not trust artificial experiments. Our planet has been destroyed many times but some individuals survived, changed, and continued to evolve again.Behind Nature stands God, he knows better how to lead evolution than man in his experiments.

But the question is have we created an artificial and unhealthy environment causing widespread mental illness, drug addiction, anti-social behavior etc. which is what happened in the experiment.  

[Coil]

54 minutes ago, OverSword said:

But the question is have we created an artificial and unhealthy environment causing widespread mental illness, drug addiction, anti-social behavior etc. which is what happened in the experiment.  

Of course, we ourselves consciously or unconsciously create the conditions. Nature returns to us what we ourselves bring into it.

And animals are controlled by nature, so they cannot do harm to themselves or to anyone. But during the time of dinosaurs, animals became too predatory and caused suffering to nature and their brain could not evolve further, so nature destroyed large and predatory creatures.

[Opus Magnus]

Industrialization typically boosts the population initially, and then the population stops growing.  Every society that has been industrialized has faced this trend.  There are multiple theories as to why this happens.  When a nation is first industrialized the labor force is low, and industrialization is able to provide high wages.  The increase in wages and access to necessities causes a rise in the population.  This gives a larger workforce, and industrialization has to lower wages.  This causes the population to stop rising.  Prior to the industrialization most people were involved in agriculture, but after shifting to a factory setting the need for children changed¹.

Currently over 50% of the world has been industrialized², and each nation has industrialized at different times, experienced it slightly differently, but overall similarly.  Iran was early to industrialize in the 1920s compared to other Middle Eastern countries³.  Even in conservative Iran abortion is higher for women working in factories, than for women who don't work⁴.  As Russia industrialized in the late 1800's-early 1900's, women were targeted to join the workforce.  This shocked the family, and perceptions of the meaning of it changed.  Women were praised in Russia for their participation in factory work, but were exploited for cheap labor⁵.  Women had become like worker bees. Japan industrialized around the same time as Russia, had a high female workforce, but was even more abusive to its women.  People who were farmers were ripped off their land into factories⁶.  Things were handled much better in western Europe and North America⁷, but has increased divorce rates.  Gender roles reversed⁸.  There was a global population spike caused by industrialization beginning in the 18th century⁹. While at first industrialization is tempting to many, the pleasure does not last, and is replaced by pain.

Industrialized Revolutions at first boost the population of a nation, and then birth rates decline.  Half the world has experienced this, or is currently in a phase of it.  The other half of the world resists industrialization, but really has no choice but to be swallowed by the Hydra.  It is a shift from the old ways of life, to the new.  This shocks people and disrupts the family.  Capitalism is boosted, socialism structures are constructed, and communism is theorized.  This is similar to John Calhoun's Mouse Utopia experiment, but according to Revelation 12:11 the blood of the lamb finally overcomes the Hydra (KJV).

1. Aubhik Khan, "The Industrial Revolution and the Demographic Transition," Business Review, Q1 (2008), 12-14, https://www.philadelphiafed.org/-/media/frbp/assets/economy/articles/business-review/2008/q1/khan_demographic-transition.pdf

2. Katica Roy, "How is the Fourth Industrial Revolution changing our economy?" World Economic Forum, November 26, 2019, https://www.weforum.org/stories/2019/11/the-fourth-industrial-revolution-is-redefining-the-economy-as-we-know-it/

3. Hassan Hakimian, "INDUSTRIALIZATION i. The Reza Shah Period And Its Aftermath, 1925-53," Encyclopedia Iranica, December 15, 2004, https://iranicaonline.org/articles/industrialization-i

4. Kavoussi, Nader. “The Effect of Industrialization on Spontaneous Abortion in Iran.” Journal of Occupational Medicine 19, no. 6 (1977): 419–23. https://www.jstor.org/stable/45003244

5. Alexandra Kollontai, "On the History of the Movement of Women Workers in Russia," first published 1920, https://www.marxists.org/archive/kollonta/1919/history.htm

6. Janet Hunter, "Japanese Women at Work, 1880-1920," History Today 43, no. 5 (1993), http://www.mrbuddhistory.com/uploads/1/4/9/6/14967012/japanese_women_at_work.pdf

7. History Skills, "The dramatic explosion of population sizes during the Industrial Revolution," accessed November 1, 2024, https://www.historyskills.com/classroom/year-9/year-9-population-explosion-reading/?srsltid=AfmBOoqqJOJoJ_BeKuyr7g1pSqe9ctQK8mf7Jb59VrXrYNn49CjMV0pn

8. Lori Hammer, "The Impact of the Industrial Revolution on Divorce Rates," Larimer Law LLC, July 3, n.d., https://www.larimerlawllc.com/post/the-impact-of-the-industrial-revolution-on-divorce-rates

9. Michael J. Coren, "Much of the modern world is explained by one population spike," Quartz, March 8, 2018, https://qz.com/1216675/much-of-the-modern-world-is-explained-by-one-population-spike

Edited November 1 by Opus Magnus

[Coil]

On the planet I do not know of any cases of overpopulation and subsequent extinction because of this; always in history civilizations have died out and been depleted for other reasons.

Science does not consider the model of the death of civilization due to the development of sacrifices and black magic, the destruction of civilization due to demonic forces. And the depletion of moral and spiritual forces leads to the degradation of society.

Animals, being under the influence of nature, can live in harmony for millions of years, which cannot be said about human civilizations.

[Opus Magnus]

The way I see it, there are two ways the universe may end: Cold expansion and hot contraction.  The mouse utopia is an example of cold contraction.  Civilization spreads out, increases, loses resources (in this case the seed of reproduction), goes cold and stops.  In hot contraction gravity eventually draws all matter in the universe back to a center and it causes a new Big Bang.  The book of Revelations and Jesus Christ say the world will end in fire next time, and not in a flood like before.  War, plagues, rebellion and genocide will violently end the world.  Then it will start over again on a new earth and a new heaven (Revelation 21:1 KJV).  Both ways are traumatic.

Science actually is considering that the development of human sacrifice has led to the end of civilizations.  One leading theory of the end of Cahokia in Missouri, USA 950 AD involves the development of human sacrifice.  Around the end of the city about 1200 AD there was a spike in human sacrifices.  Evidence of these have been unearthed in ritual burial grounds.  It is believed that this spiked increase in human sacrifice led to rebellion and political unrest that dragged the civilization down¹.  Human sacrifice coincides with the end of civilizations in ancient America.

In this city, Satan worship had begun well before the introduction of Christianity.  They had begun to worship the dragon or thunderbird around the time of their downfall, 1200 AD.  They had begun a worship of the black and red carnal nature, and mingled it with human sacrifice².  As this happened they lost control.

 

Governments on earth are theorized to follow a cycle of feudalism, capitalism, socialism then communism.  This experiment is an example of how at the socialist or communist stages humanity could destroy itself.

1. Diana Yates, "Ancient bones, teeth, tell story of strife at Cahokia," University of Illinois, August 4, 2016, https://news.illinois.edu/view/6367/391703

2. Neil Gale, "A study of the Legend of the Piasa "Bird," an ancient Indian pictograph carved and painted on a bluff in Alton, Illinois." Digital Research Library of Illinois History, October 22, 2018, https://drloihjournal.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-legend-of-the-piasa-bird-which-is-carved-and-painted-on-a-bluff-in-alton-illinois.html

Edited November 14 by Opus Magnus

[Coil]

On 11/14/2024 at 2:54 PM, Opus Magnus said:

The way I see it, there are two ways the universe may end: Cold expansion and hot contraction.  The mouse utopia is an example of cold contraction.  Civilization spreads out, increases, loses resources (in this case the seed of reproduction), goes cold and stops.  In hot contraction gravity eventually draws all matter in the universe back to a center and it causes a new Big Bang.  The book of Revelations and Jesus Christ say the world will end in fire next time, and not in a flood like before.  War, plagues, rebellion and genocide will violently end the world.  Then it will start over again on a new earth and a new heaven (Revelation 21:1 KJV).  Both ways are traumatic.

The Universe cannot die around it Absolute and the Universe is the expression of this Absolute. It is manifested by the eternal and will return to the infinity of God when it fulfills its purpose so do not be confused by the entropy that our scientists draw.

And periodically, the destruction of civilizations and races on earth happens when the race exhausts its moral and spiritual strength and a temporary break occurs and the cycle of evolution begins again. Spiritual people saw that a divine race of people in immortal bodies would live on earth.

 

[Opus Magnus]

1 hour ago, Coil said:

The Universe cannot die around it Absolute and the Universe is the expression of this Absolute. It is manifested by the eternal and will return to the infinity of God when it fulfills its purpose so do not be confused by the entropy that our scientists draw.

And periodically, the destruction of civilizations and races on earth happens when the race exhausts its moral and spiritual strength and a temporary break occurs and the cycle of evolution begins again. Spiritual people saw that a divine race of people in immortal bodies would live on earth.

 

In Isaiah chapter 65 it says that after the world is destroyed there will be a new heaven and earth.  A person who dies when they are 100 years old will be called a child (Isaiah 65:20 KJV), and the people will live as long as trees (Isaiah 65:22 KJV).  This is as long as people lived before Noah's flood in Genesis.  This is the city on the new earth that comes out the new heaven, called New Jerusalem in Revelation 21.  There will also be no more sea (Revelation 21:1 KJV). This makes me wonder if this is a parallel world, an afterlife, a spiritual world on the destroyed planet earth.

In Revelation 21:8, it says all of the sinners will go into the lake of fire and suffer the second death.  In the next chapter, Revelation 22:15, it sounds like it is saying there are still sinners living outside the city however.  This last verse is the one that makes me wonder if there is another try for mankind on the new earth, outside the city, and people live as a long as they did before the days of Noah.  The research paper that the scientist, John Calhoun, published in the Royal Society of Medicine in 1973 about the mouse experiment that this thread about was titled Death Squared, he called this the second death, and he did get this from the Apocalypse of John the book of Revelation in the Bible¹.

1.  John Calhoun, "Death Squared: The Explosive Growth and Demise of a Mouse Population," Proceedings of the Royal Society of Medicine 66, 1 pt 2 (1973): 80-88, https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1644264/pdf/procrsmed00338-0007.pdf

Edited November 18 by Opus Magnus

[Abramelin]

On 10/17/2024 at 11:09 PM, Coil said:

the planet can feed 50 billion people.

Maybe, but can the planet house 50 billion people?

[Coil]

1 hour ago, Opus Magnus said:

In Isaiah chapter 65 it says that after the world is destroyed there will be a new heaven and earth.  A person who dies when they are 100 years old will be called a child (Isaiah 65:20 KJV), and the people will live as long as trees (Isaiah 65:22 KJV).  This is as long as people lived before Noah's flood in Genesis.  This is the city on the new earth that comes out the new heaven, called New Jerusalem in Revelation 21.  There will also be no more sea (Revelation 21:1 KJV). This makes me wonder if this is a parallel world, an afterlife, a spiritual world on the destroyed planet earth.

In Revelation 21:8, it says all of the sinners will go into the lake of fire and suffer the second death.  In the next chapter, Revelation 22:15, it sounds like it is saying there are still sinners living outside the city however.  This last verse is the one that makes me wonder if there is another try for mankind on the new earth, outside the city, and people live as a long as they did before the days of Noah.  The research paper that the scientist, John Calhoun, published in the Royal Society of Medicine in 1973 about the mouse experiment that this thread about was titled Death Squared, he called this the second death, and he did get this from the Apocalypse of John the book of Revelation in the Bible¹.

1.  John Calhoun, "Death Squared: The Explosive Growth and Demise of a Mouse Population," Proceedings of the Royal Society of Medicine 66, 1 pt 2 (1973): 80-88, https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1644264/pdf/procrsmed00338-0007.pdf

 

New Jerusalem is a city that is being built now in the heavens for the future of humanity after the Apocalypse and the Last Judgment. It will descend to earth, but it will not be a physical city, but an energy city, because after the Apocalypse, people's bodies will be transformed, so the Bible says that "there will be no more crying or death, and the dead will rise from their graves." Bad people will live in two other places.

The second death occurs when a person's consciousness is so bad that his soul and spirit are torn away from external consciousness, and a person can drop out of the development of our planet forever into space, and even the hellish levels cannot keep him in hell for correction.

And the spiritual race on earth will live in the distant future, and eternity will open up before us, so that time will no longer exist.

If you want to read about the terrible events that will happen to humanity in the 22-24th century when the planet is ruled by the Antichrist, then I will give you a link to the book and you will read the chapter that precedes the Apocalypse and what will happen after.

 

[Coil]

1 hour ago, Abramelin said:

Maybe, but can the planet house 50 billion people?

 

Of course, many areas of land are not populated and you can travel for hours by train and not see any buildings.In America there are many desert states where there are no population and buildings. There you can build factories and all the infrastructure and populate people if there are many of them in the future.

[Abramelin]

5 minutes ago, Coil said:

 

Of course, many areas of land are not populated and you can travel for hours by train and not see any buildings.In America there are many desert states where there are no population and buildings. There you can build factories and all the infrastructure and populate people if there are many of them in the future.

Great. So it will be people and buildings all over and nothing else.

I don't think I would want to live in that future.

[Opus Magnus]

23 hours ago, Coil said:

 

New Jerusalem is a city that is being built now in the heavens for the future of humanity after the Apocalypse and the Last Judgment. It will descend to earth, but it will not be a physical city, but an energy city, because after the Apocalypse, people's bodies will be transformed, so the Bible says that "there will be no more crying or death, and the dead will rise from their graves." Bad people will live in two other places.

The second death occurs when a person's consciousness is so bad that his soul and spirit are torn away from external consciousness, and a person can drop out of the development of our planet forever into space, and even the hellish levels cannot keep him in hell for correction.

And the spiritual race on earth will live in the distant future, and eternity will open up before us, so that time will no longer exist.

If you want to read about the terrible events that will happen to humanity in the 22-24th century when the planet is ruled by the Antichrist, then I will give you a link to the book and you will read the chapter that precedes the Apocalypse and what will happen after.

 

Sure, send me a link.

22 hours ago, Abramelin said:

Great. So it will be people and buildings all over and nothing else.

I don't think I would want to live in that future.

That would be the future if things kept going as they are now, but that doesn't look possible.  Industrialization caused a population boom wherever it went, and then a population decline.  The boom started during the end of the 1700s with the invention of the steam engine, and the birth of the Industrial Revolution in Britain.  This spread to the United States, and the discovery of the Americas gave the recipe for enough resources to start an evolution in mankind.  It then spread to other parts of Western Europe, which was the first wave, then around 1860 the second wave happened in Russia, Eastern Europe, Iran, Japan, Mexico and Canada.  The third wave of the Industrial Revolution began in the 1960s, and included China, India, South Korea, Taiwan, other East Asian countries and South America.  Currently we are experiencing the 4th wave of the Industrial Revolution, and all countries have variations of the same experience.

The Industrial Revolution spikes the population, and then birth rates stop.  This is for theoretical reasons.  At the beginning of the revolution people are taken from rural areas to urban, and the nations are able to supply basic necessities through manufacturing that they were not able to before.  This causes the population to rise, but a number of factors also stops people from giving birth anymore.  At first wages for factory workers are high, but as the population increases the wages must decrease.  Rural farmers have incentives to have lots of children to use as farm hands, and factory workers might want more children to bring home more money from the factory.  Child labor laws become enforced.  This shifts the perspective of society away from children working, and society focuses on children going to school.  This further raises the cost of raising children, and the incentive of having large families disappears.  Also, the labor is less intensive in manufacturing than in farmwork.  This initially has children and women working more then men, but with child labor laws it sees the women working more.  This has an effect of destroying marriage.  This is a trade off.

The Industrial Revolution has positive and negative effects on civilization.  Increased food, education, longer lifespans and better technology are positive effects.  Each of these has a negative effect that goes with it: Lack of meaning of life, communist theories, atheism, lowered birth rates, and mass immigration.  As lifespan increases, birth rates fall.  To compensate for the low birth rates industrialized nations resort to mass immigration to fill up the jobs that used to be done by their natives.  As the Industrial Revolution continues to develop technology, these immigrants are found obsolete with nowhere to go.

During the fourth wave of the Industrial Revolution, which is now, there is a shift away from manufacturing and into high tech computers.  The previous wave which saw large amounts of immigrants, now have no job.  Not every country is in the same phase of industrialization, but countries that are late to show up industrialize faster.  Migration and immigration will see industrialization reach every nation on the earth.  When one country industrializes, it must feed on the least industrialized nations to supply the vast amount of resources needed.  Countries that are fed on also inherit the technology to industrialize as a by-product, and they have a choice to either industrialize themselves or continue to be enslaved.  Most countries choose to industrialize, in the end this means they will face lowered birth rates, many countries resist industrialization for some time, but eventually they succumb.

This is the rat race of global industrialization theory, it is contained on earth like the Mouse Utopia experiment is contained, but the Apocalypse of John the Book of Revelation says the end will be different.  In reality there are not an unlimited amount of resources on Earth.  Lowered birth rates and the depletion of natural resources will likely never let the human race reach an extremely high population, and cities everywhere.  Instead, the Book of Revelation promises an alternative end, the Mark of the Beast, planetary genocide, plagues, and the end of human civilization.  Humanity will crawl out of the ashes of this disaster for 1,000 years, Gog and Magog, but will be destroyed by God (Revelation 20:1-15 KJV).

Edited November 19 by Opus Magnus

[seasmith]

Opus Magnus wrote:

 

7 hours ago, Opus Magnus said:

Sure, send me a link.

That would be the future if things kept going as they are now, but that doesn't look possible.  Industrialization caused a population boom wherever it went, and then a population decline.  The boom started during the end of the 1700s with the invention of the steam engine, and the birth of the Industrial Revolution in Britain.  This spread to the United States, and the discovery of the Americas gave the recipe for enough resources to start an evolution in mankind.  It then spread to other parts of Western Europe, which was the first wave, then around 1860 the second wave happened in Russia, Eastern Europe, Iran, Japan, Mexico and Canada.  The third wave of the Industrial Revolution began in the 1960s, and included China, India, South Korea, Taiwan, other East Asian countries and South America.  Currently we are experiencing the 4th wave of the Industrial Revolution, and all countries have variations of the same experience.

The Industrial Revolution spikes the population, and then birth rates stop.  This is for theoretical reasons.  At the beginning of the revolution people are taken from rural areas to urban, and the nations are able to supply basic necessities through manufacturing that they were not able to before.  This causes the population to rise, but a number of factors also stops people from giving birth anymore.  At first wages for factory workers are high, but as the population increases the wages must decrease.  Rural farmers have incentives to have lots of children to use as farm hands, and factory workers might want more children to bring home more money from the factory.  Child labor laws become enforced.  This shifts the perspective of society away from children working, and society focuses on children going to school.  This further raises the cost of raising children, and the incentive of having large families disappears.  Also, the labor is less intensive in manufacturing than in farmwork.  This initially has children and women working more then men, but with child labor laws it sees the women working more.  This has an effect of destroying marriage.  This is a trade off.

The Industrial Revolution has positive and negative effects on civilization.  Increased food, education, longer lifespans and better technology are positive effects.  Each of these has a negative effect that goes with it: Lack of meaning of life, communist theories, atheism, lowered birth rates, and mass immigration.  As lifespan increases, birth rates fall.  To compensate for the low birth rates industrialized nations resort to mass immigration to fill up the jobs that used to be done by their natives.  As the Industrial Revolution continues to develop technology, these immigrants are found obsolete with nowhere to go.

During the fourth wave of the Industrial Revolution, which is now, there is a shift away from manufacturing and into high tech computers.  The previous wave which saw large amounts of immigrants, now have no job.  Not every country is in the same phase of industrialization, but countries that are late to show up industrialize faster.  Migration and immigration will see industrialization reach every nation on the earth.  When one country industrializes, it must feed on the least industrialized nations to supply the vast amount of resources needed.  Countries that are fed on also inherit the technology to industrialize as a by-product, and they have a choice to either industrialize themselves or continue to be enslaved.  Most countries choose to industrialize, in the end this means they will face lowered birth rates, many countries resist industrialization for some time, but eventually they succumb.

This is the rat race of global industrialization theory, it is contained on earth like the Mouse Utopia experiment is contained, but the Apocalypse of John the Book of Revelation says the end will be different.  In reality there are not an unlimited amount of resources on Earth.  Lowered birth rates and the depletion of natural resources will likely never let the human race reach an extremely high population, and cities everywhere.  Instead, the Book of Revelation promises an alternative end, the Mark of the Beast, planetary genocide, plagues, and the end of human civilization.  Humanity will crawl out of the ashes of this disaster for 1,000 years, Gog and Magog, but will be destroyed by God (Revelation 20:1-15 KJV).

 

 

Excepting the last paragraph, which is prophecy hence TBD, 
that is one of the best summaries of "fourth wave" theory presented here so far.

Thank you for that.

 

[Coil]

12 hours ago, Opus Magnus said:

Sure, send me a link.

Read pages 606-627 this is an excerpt from the chapter Prince of Darkness.

There are many unfamiliar words in the book so there is a glossary at the end of the book.

https://rozamira.org/attachments/2333/?hash=368bdd697251cd096fdb1457f5a19220

 

[8th_wall]

On 10/15/2024 at 4:26 AM, OverSword said:

In this experiment scientists build a mouse habitat designed for minimum stress on mice built to hold a population optimally of about 6,000 mice. They put a few in Mouse Utopia and watched what happens to mouse society as the population grows.  Do we live in a version of Mouse Utopia in the West?  Maybe.

To begin with 'curiosity kills the cat.' /knowing look in eye.  ❤️ this idiot.  No sarcasm.  Just because you can't teach an old dog new tricks I'm sure someone somewhere came back with at some point that a dog.  And a person.  /consternation and jaw clenching this produces but with human sacrifice, as I read it meaningfully spinning the reality to lighten the burden of that bomb.  The spinning letting one see that one trusts the words falling from one's fellow.  Why?  When it suits.  Anyways, the reason I love an idiot is 'because they'll tell you the truth like no-one else can.' Thankfully the love is given as is directed to via love unconditionally, learn by believing, because you know me, and trust is there.  A role, a teacher, appearing as the student is ready in whatever information relay occurs as telecommunication whatever.  IT development is one thing, increased means to communicate in the spatial size, length, distance, time taken to relay quanta whatever.  What a wonderful word, quanta, working out ether too.

Guess: mamalian level, I doubt it.  My reading of no anti social behaviour around pools means don't go to the pool if you're going to behave awkwardly and weirdly around kids but that's semi a lie.  I know it means don't be seen with dark sunnies leering at whatever gender attracts, and if not then I don't see any, well, how would I know.  Some credentials to insert idk .  Maybe, from the previous, a human being seems to behave not like an animal.  A person, on the other hand, if maybe herded into such a living and not waking up to it as an aftermath of inheritance from forefathers and ancestors.

I'm considering whether or not we didn't actually evolve from fauna.  Nah, not really, I know monkeys come from the ocean, as a primate.  Then ancestor of tadpole common ancestral commonality of the study of fossils,. Archaeology maybe dealing with this.

Anyways, that's boring.

I have faith that the answer is no.  If I live in a simulation I run in my head then living in my head and panning out the event space is awesomely **** house to my mind.  I think even if we're pushed to it by nature our psychological state can't regress to a pre-psychological big bang because it actually can't make sense to the present state.  So before the big bang.  Who knows.  Super big bang as Event, then a relationship with any entity.  Even better, super and adjacent.  **** pre and post.  Dyads are bad in philosophy.  Two, duality!?  Run!  Mono mono.  Solo solo.  Sovereignty sovereignty individualism naw individuality and such.  Thanks for posting.

[seasmith]

8 hours ago, 8th_wall said:

To begin with 'curiosity kills the cat.' /knowing look in eye.  ❤️ this idiot.  No sarcasm.  Just because you can't teach an old dog new tricks I'm sure someone somewhere came back with at some point that a dog.  And a person.  /consternation and jaw clenching this produces but with human sacrifice, as I read it meaningfully spinning the reality to lighten the burden of that bomb.  The spinning letting one see that one trusts the words falling from one's fellow.  Why?  When it suits.  Anyways, the reason I love an idiot is 'because they'll tell you the truth like no-one else can.' Thankfully the love is given as is directed to via love unconditionally, learn by believing, because you know me, and trust is there.  A role, a teacher, appearing as the student is ready in whatever information relay occurs as telecommunication whatever.  IT development is one thing, increased means to communicate in the spatial size, length, distance, time taken to relay quanta whatever.  What a wonderful word, quanta, working out ether too.

Guess: mamalian level, I doubt it.  My reading of no anti social behaviour around pools means don't go to the pool if you're going to behave awkwardly and weirdly around kids but that's semi a lie.  I know it means don't be seen with dark sunnies leering at whatever gender attracts, and if not then I don't see any, well, how would I know.  Some credentials to insert idk .  Maybe, from the previous, a human being seems to behave not like an animal.  A person, on the other hand, if maybe herded into such a living and not waking up to it as an aftermath of inheritance from forefathers and ancestors.

I'm considering whether or not we didn't actually evolve from fauna.  Nah, not really, I know monkeys come from the ocean, as a primate.  Then ancestor of tadpole common ancestral commonality of the study of fossils,. Archaeology maybe dealing with this.

Anyways, that's boring.

I have faith that the answer is no.  If I live in a simulation I run in my head then living in my head and panning out the event space is awesomely **** house to my mind.  I think even if we're pushed to it by nature our psychological state can't regress to a pre-psychological big bang because it actually can't make sense to the present state.  So before the big bang.  Who knows.  Super big bang as Event, then a relationship with any entity.  Even better, super and adjacent.  **** pre and post.  Dyads are bad in philosophy.  Two, duality!?  Run!  Mono mono.  Solo solo.  Sovereignty sovereignty individualism naw individuality and such.  Thanks for posting.

 

8th_wall,

Nice stream of consciousness, but is this limit to yer understanding of "human sacrifice" ?

" ...a human being seems to behave not like an animal".
That's why, to differentiate, it's spoken as different "species", although  both intrinsically related
and joined at the 'genome'.

Right, "simulation" is a meaningless term, like "quantum".

Every unity exists presently as "duality", as denoted by the term exist.
 

Was the the intended word in first paragraph
aether ?

 

 

 

[seasmith]

On 11/21/2024 at 9:02 PM, seasmith said:

 

8th_wall,

Nice stream of consciousness, but is this limit to yer understanding of "human sacrifice" ?

" ...a human being seems to behave not like an animal".
That's why, to differentiate, it's spoken as different "species", although  both intrinsically related
and joined at the 'genome'.

Right, "simulation" is a meaningless term, like "quantum".

Every unity exists presently as "duality", as denoted by the term exist.
 

Was the the intended word in first paragraph
aethe>>>>

 

8ih,

Beyond thy ken, 

or just off meds ?

On 11/21/2024 at 9:02 PM, seasmith said:

 

 

 

 

[8th_wall]

On 11/22/2024 at 1:02 PM, seasmith said:

 

8th_wall,

Nice stream of consciousness, but is this limit to yer understanding of "human sacrifice" ?

Thanks for the adding of fuel to the perception I have recently that streams of consciousness aren't necessarily a wrong\bad\beyond good and evil sort of thing.  I appreciate you.

Rereading what I wrote as I hope to bring to mind the human sacrifice in the means of how I used it, as a notion.  /glosses back

Okay, reading through the entire thread the underlying not necessarily implicit but seemingly is something akin to pure evil as the brain identifies with the subject.  Mouse utopia why?  What's the purpose.   Seeking data to better work out the ethics surrounding domestication of other species?  Species?  Human brains in the c.e. struggle to differentiate between self, animal and alien.  My thinking,  after some time, is that animals actually are aliens, unless they're familiar then of course on some level the in crowd.

Anyways, I had thought that civilizations that developed to the point of literally sacrificing its fellows towards the end of placating (to mean "chill the **** out satan, we're just like you homie, do you sacrifice yourself?  No no of course not, we're all stuck in this **** storm together.  I don't know why God created you broken but I'm sure it has something to do with every beginning and end and by the definition of you, the only really potential nail in His work, who wins?  By definition?  By the definition of the Devil God looks pretty screwed so idk how to let you know but we believe in God, as do you by definition ofc. but thou woud not be thee if God comes beforeth like so scared out of His brain like he must be and necessarily seriously sabotaged.  I mean, I KNOW God wins.  But I don't know know, you know?  /carves heart out of their kin.  So yeah, /munch munch.  Are you afraid of yourself?  Anyway?  Heard some dude on Tiktok took you out.  How the ****?  Please, lettuce know.  We'll be with you soon.  Yours sincerely, Humanity.

Anyways, I personally think the only human sacrifice going on as putting another before oneself, or disregarding reputation of self ahead of something placed higher than the self, like the group, in the Eastern mind, if that still exists.  Literal taking of blade to the Being seems like something my naive mind is too childlike to actually believe occurred with evidence and what not.  Can't help but take energy away from fact and respinning the way this thread reads.

Look look, let's investigate this further, I'll make a new post.

 

[seasmith]

On 11/27/2024 at 1:57 AM, 8th_wall said:

Anyways, I personally think the only human sacrifice going on as putting another before oneself, or disregarding reputation of self ahead of something placed higher than the self, like the group,

I resonate with that conception, leaving the question of why ?

What in the the human psyche, contrasting as you did above with "animal and alien", feels the need/or is driven to make amends ?

Alms, guilt, petition, desire for ascension ???