What is the difference between God and Allah?

[WorldMysteries]

"God" and "Allah" essentially refer to the same entity, but cultural, linguistic, and theological contexts can differ. In Christianity, "God" is often understood within the framework of the Holy Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). In Islam, "Allah" is the singular, all-encompassing deity without divisions, emphasized as beyond human comprehension. Both terms point to an omnipotent, omniscient creator, but the perspectives and religious narratives around them vary.

Think of it like different artists painting the same landscape each one brings their own style and interpretation. What do you think?

https://biblereasons.com/allah-vs-god/

 

[Essan]

A bit like different artists painting the same imaginary landscape, but otherwise, yeah.

[jmccr8]

27 minutes ago, WorldMysteries said:

"God" and "Allah" essentially refer to the same entity, but cultural, linguistic, and theological contexts can differ. In Christianity, "God" is often understood within the framework of the Holy Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). In Islam, "Allah" is the singular, all-encompassing deity without divisions, emphasized as beyond human comprehension. Both terms point to an omnipotent, omniscient creator, but the perspectives and religious narratives around them vary.

Think of it like different artists painting the same landscape each one brings their own style and interpretation. What do you think?

https://biblereasons.com/allah-vs-god/

 

Yes they are using the same God construct with different values and qualities to use as a form of social control and structure. Doesn't make the god construct any more viable either way as God cannot be shown to exist so equal as fiction. 

[Will Due]

13 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

God cannot be shown to exist 

 

Personally, yes he can. But not without faith.

 

 

[XenoFish]

Islam is just Judaism with extra steps, so same god. 

[cormac mac airt]

15 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Personally, yes he can. But not without faith.

One can say the same thing about Thor who’s just as unprovable. 
 

cormac

[Will Due]

 

Living without faith which is required to show that God exists personally, is like having a truck with four wheel drive capability that's never used.

 

 

Edited October 19 by Will Due

[cormac mac airt]

Faith = belief and just as irrelevant to the truth. Talking to or believing in imaginary beings won’t make them real. Belief in any of the ancient gods is just as “real” as yours. 
 

cormac

[Will Due]

 

Thinking a truck with four wheel drive capability can go anywhere = belief.

Taking a truck with four wheel drive capability anywhere = faith.

 

 

Edited October 19 by Will Due

[eight bits]

Newer religions have been known to claim that they are continuations, revivals, or reforms of older religions. Islam will claim to worship the same God as Christians, Christians will claim to worship the same God as Jews. Give the Israelites credit, they claim to worship a different God than their Semitic forebears (although actually not so very different, but definitely fewer).

Is Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes the same detective as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's? (Yes, I was surprised by that one, too. but check it out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authors_of_new_Sherlock_Holmes_stories ).

Yes and no.

Better theological question (IMO): Is there actually some single God worshipped by all Jews (now and back when they were Israelites)? Is there actually some single God worshiped by all Christians (now and back when they were "The Way")? Is there actually some single God worshipped by all Muslims (now and when they were an ethnically homogeneous tribally diverse desert caravan cost of doing business)?

Really wild analogy question: Is there actually some single Donald Trump venerated by all maganauts? Even though there is clearly one single guy who actually exists. do the maganauts all venerate the same character?

 

[XenoFish]

23 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Thinking a truck with four wheel drive capability can go anywhere = belief.

Taking a truck with four wheel drive capability anywhere = faith.

 

 

The truck can be put through a test with objective results. Spiritual and religious faith is a subjective (personal) experience. 

[Will Due]

42 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

The truck can be put through a test with objective results. 

 

Yes. But not without faith in taking the truck somewhere to be tested.

 

42 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Spiritual and religious faith is a subjective (personal) experience. 

 

Yes. But not without testing real faith as an experience in the first place.

 

 

Edited October 19 by Will Due

[Ell]

My hypothesis is that Allah is derived from Sumerian ilu (god), which in turn may be etymologically related to Sumerian uru(n(x)) = sun, exalted, strong.

So just like the rest of the world, the Jews, Muslims and Christians worship(ped) the sun.

[jmccr8]

11 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

Personally, yes he can. But not without faith.

 

 

HI Will

So long as people respect the meaning of personal choice I have no problem with you or anyone making a choice you understand nis yours and yours alone 

[jmccr8]

11 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

Living without faith which is required to show that God exists personally, is like having a truck with four wheel drive capability that's never used.

 

 

HI Will

No one has told you not to believe, mostly you are asked why you need to believe 

[Will Due]

4 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

HI Will

So long as people respect the meaning of personal choice I have no problem with you or anyone making a choice you understand nis yours and yours alone 

 

Well, thanks Jay. For backing up the truth that it's a personal choice to initiate one's faith. Which then consequently, can result in God being shown to exist personally. Depending on the depth and sincerity of the faith that progresses after it's been initiated.

 

 

[Will Due]

14 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

HI Will

No one has told you not to believe, mostly you are asked why you need to believe 

 

Jay, I didn't know what to believe until after the faith that was already there but unrealized was initiated.

It was after that that I discovered what to believe.

So in retrospect, it wasn't a need to believe, it was a need to initiate the faith that was already there but laid dormant in me. Which then resulted in me finding out exactly what to believe subsequently.

Faith in God first, knowledge of what to believe afterwards.

 

 

Edited October 20 by Will Due

[jmccr8]

6 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Well, thanks Jay. For backing up the truth that it's a personal choice to initiate one's faith. Which then consequently, can result in God being shown to exist personally. Depending on the depth and sincerity of the faith that progresses after it's been initiated.

 

 

HI Will

I have faith in me if you or your God wants to challenge what your faith means to me or your god is subjective opinion as the burden of proof lies in how your god perceives your sin as you are a believer. I am merely one of thee unwashed and not a reflection of anyone's concept of a god 

[Will Due]

5 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

HI Will

I have faith in me if you or your God wants to challenge what your faith means to me or your god is subjective opinion as the burden of proof lies in how your god perceives your sin as you are a believer. I am merely one of thee unwashed and not a reflection of anyone's concept of a god 

 

I know Jay. You're a reflection of your concept of your God. Which, based on your comment, might be you.

 

 

[jmccr8]

7 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Jay, I didn't know what to believe until after the faith that was already there but unrealized was initiated.

It was after that that I discovered what to believe.

So in retrospect, it wasn't a need to believe, it was a need to initiate the faith that was already there but laid dormant in me. Which then resulted in me finding out exactly what to believe subsequently.

Faith in God first, knowledge of what to believe afterwards.

 

 

HI Will

Believe whatever you want to and understand that beleif is a personal experience

Right now for the last 3 weeks a gorgeous Asian woman half my age has been dogmatic in her efforts to woo me. 

Yes I know she is trying to work me like a Saturday night Sally and just waiting for her to lay her cards. And damn bro she is working that shat hard. I am letting her show me her play to see where she goes. I am not stringing here along, I am letting her feel confident enough to betray herself 

[jmccr8]

4 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

I know Jay. You're a reflection of your concept of your God. Which, based on your comment, might be you.

 

 

HI will

I have already said my interpretation of God is that it is a word to describe our intelligence and to date have seen anything that can disprove it as being a viable option given the abundance of evidence that shows man observes, thinks and creates. 

[Will Due]

46 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

HI Will

Believe whatever you want to and understand that beleif is a personal experience

 

I don't agree with you about that. I have never personally experienced belief. But most definitely, I have and I am experiencing faith.

 

46 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Right now for the last 3 weeks a gorgeous Asian woman half my age has been dogmatic in her efforts to woo me. 

Yes I know she is trying to work me like a Saturday night Sally and just waiting for her to lay her cards. And damn bro she is working that shat hard. I am letting her show me her play to see where she goes. I am not stringing here along, I am letting her feel confident enough to betray herself 

 

Well Jay, it sounds like you're on top of it. 

 

 

 

Edited October 20 by Will Due

[jmccr8]

2 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

I don't agree with you about that. I have never personally experienced belief. But most definitely, I have and I am experiencing faith.

 

 

Well Jay, it sounds like you're on top of it. 

 

 

HI Will

She has no idea the kind of personal research I have done in the last 6 years in one aspect of human interaction. I had a group of socially 

disfuntional  girls I called my babes from hell. I helped several find a worth in who they really wanted to be and how to reform their thought process to become nurses, docial workers and speah writers for inter governmental affairs. They loved me because I treated themselves like my little sisters and to believe in themselves. 

Sometimes just believing and working for the best you can do matters. I knew a beautiful woman from the time she was 14 close to my age as well as knowing her whole family. She lived a difficult life and at one time were lovers. We were driving down the streetvand I told her I could love her forever but we would have to quit sleeping together as if we did not she would become possessive and girl you want to be giving orders I want to see your signature on a paycheck. 

She wanted to marry me and loved me as I did love her. At that time my life wasn't going to change and society didn't see me as their favorite son. I was a bad guy because I knew everyone and all their sins and who they committed them with. Some of those people were growing in wealth or influence and saw what I know about who does who and how often became problematic for future intended goals. I did tell her that because of who I am her being my woman would have a negative impact on her life. God had nothing to do with it, too me she was a wonderful woman with great potential and was open to seeing how the skills she had could be used in a different manner. I would have been an obstacle to everything I had invested in her so she could be who she was and shines brightly even to this day. 

I do what I do no ill will intended and was taught always to make things better than when I found them 

[Will Due]

7 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

HI Will

She has no idea the kind of personal research I have done in the last 6 years in one aspect of human interaction. I had a group of socially 

disfuntional  girls I called my babes from hell. I helped several find a worth in who they really wanted to be and how to reform their thought process to become nurses, docial workers and speah writers for inter governmental affairs. They loved me because I treated themselves like my little sisters and to believe in themselves. 

Sometimes just believing and working for the best you can do matters. I knew a beautiful woman from the time she was 14 close to my age as well as knowing her whole family. She lived a difficult life and at one time were lovers. We were driving down the streetvand I told her I could love her forever but we would have to quit sleeping together as if we did not she would become possessive and girl you want to be giving orders I want to see your signature on a paycheck. 

She wanted to marry me and loved me as I did love her. At that time my life wasn't going to change and society didn't see me as their favorite son. I was a bad guy because I knew everyone and all their sins and who they committed them with. Some of those people were growing in wealth or influence and saw what I know about who does who and how often became problematic for future intended goals. I did tell her that because of who I am her being my woman would have a negative impact on her life. God had nothing to do with it, too me she was a wonderful woman with great potential and was open to seeing how the skills she had could be used in a different manner. I would have been an obstacle to everything I had invested in her so she could be who she was and shines brightly even to this day. 

I do what I do no ill will intended and was taught always to make things better than when I found them 

 

Jay, if I may be honest with you, in that case, your idealism may not have served you. Nor her.

But I wasn't there. It's just a general feeling I'm getting from reading what you wrote. Not to mention, that I'm well aware of how my idealism often didn't serve me.

 

 

[jmccr8]

7 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Jay, if I may be honest with you, in that case, your idealism may not have served you. Nor her.

HI Will

I was a convicted drug dealer with known associates. I could offer no one any credibility in the place I grew up or survived in. I could create a mindset of self worth rather than just self judgements to improve the lives of others that I thought would bloom and they did. 

 

You and I are just a couple of Oamfs discussing sheet All I can tell you is people like me are willing to make personal investment in others to succeed rather than pi,, in on their boots to make them fail. 

You and I may never meet and only exist in the constatints of your perception who you think I am