Trump is using election lies to lay the groundwork for challenging 2024 results if he loses

[ExpandMyMind]

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Donald Trump has spent months laying the groundwork to challenge the results of the 2024 election if he loses — just as he did four years ago.

At rally after rally, he urges his supporters to deliver a victory “too big to rig,” telling them the only way he can lose is if Democrats cheat. He has refused to say, repeatedly, whether he will accept the results regardless of the outcome. And he’s claimed cheating is already underway, citing debunked claims or outrageous theories with no basis in reality.

“The only thing that can stop us is the cheating. It’s the only thing that can stop us,” he said at an event in Arizona late Thursday night.

In 2020, Trump prematurely declared victory from the White House. He launched a legal and political effort to overturn his loss to Democrat Joe Biden that culminated in the storming of the Capitol by his supporters on Jan. 6, 2021.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-cheating-fraud-lies-52832138394282b8a3355b45c0b913a9

[AZDZ]

I just saw him at a rally ramping up the Fake News Fallacy.

[Wakka25]

The 2020 election went against all other incumbent elections in US history. What does a fraud election look like?

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

1 minute ago, Wakka25 said:

The 2020 election went against all other incumbent elections in US history. What does a fraud election look like?

I would say it would look like “and the next 7,000 votes counted after that were all for the Smiler” or “they closed counting on 65,730 votes counted, 34,659 for the Beast, the rest for the Smiler and they opened the count the next day with 75,730 votes, with the Smiler in the lead” with value added footage of people driving up to ballot drop boxes and dumping in sacks full of ballots.  

[acidhead]

He's answered this question many times. 

A couple weeks back while working a shift at McDonald's Trump took the time to hold a brief presser and said he'd accept the election results. 

 

[Wakka25]

17 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

I would say it would look like “and the next 7,000 votes counted after that were all for the Smiler” or “they closed counting on 65,730 votes counted, 34,659 for the Beast, the rest for the Smiler and they opened the count the next day with 75,730 votes, with the Smiler in the lead” with value added footage of people driving up to ballot drop boxes and dumping in sacks full of ballots.  

Dumping sacks full of ballots? I wonder what they're trying to hide: 

 

 

 

 

[+and-then]

40 minutes ago, Wakka25 said:

The 2020 election went against all other incumbent elections in US history. What does a fraud election look like?

I've never heard of a losing candidate for POTUS that had winning "coattails"  He had down-ticket positive impact but somehow lost his own race?  I don't recall that ever happening before.  He also nailed nearly every known bellweather indicator that has always pointed to the winner.  Fraudulent mail-in ballots and widespread complicity by media as well as cowardice on the Robert's court allowed 2020 to happen.  If the same kinds of things occur again, DC may feel it has triumphed but it will see blowback and general resistance to its legitimacy from this point on.

[Setton]

5 minutes ago, and-then said:

I've never heard of a losing candidate for POTUS that had winning "coattails"  He had down-ticket positive impact but somehow lost his own race?  I don't recall that ever happening before.  He also nailed nearly every known bellweather indicator that has always pointed to the winner.  Fraudulent mail-in ballots and widespread complicity by media as well as cowardice on the Robert's court allowed 2020 to happen.  If the same kinds of things occur again, DC may feel it has triumphed but it will see blowback and general resistance to its legitimacy from this point on.

(You still lost)

[+and-then]

3 hours ago, Setton said:

(You still lost)

You sound like a kid trying to win an argument.  Yeah, he "lost" but there was plenty of very good reasons to doubt that loss and if those same things happen again it will cause millions to lose faith in the only tie that binds Americans together.  Even you folks outside the country should really hope against that.  It will affect the whole world if we go so tribal that we begin ignoring a central government.  I assume you Leftists believe that millions of people will just obey the law or get arrested.  A few hundred or even thousands of people ignoring/resisting a Federal government can possibly be controlled...MILLIONS of people deciding to tell DC to go eff itself is a whole different animal.  IOW, if the Right begins doing what the Left did in January of 2017, America will be in for some serious problems that the Feds are unable to suppress.

The better idea would be to come together and find a way to compromise on guaranteeing secure elections but one party, and ONLY one party, adamantly refuses any measures to secure and validate the ballot.  That makes rational people wonder why.

Edited November 4 by and-then

[Unusual Tournament]

3 hours ago, and-then said:

I've never heard of a losing candidate for POTUS that had winning "coattails"  He had down-ticket positive impact but somehow lost his own race?  I don't recall that ever happening before.  He also nailed nearly every known bellweather indicator that has always pointed to the winner.  Fraudulent mail-in ballots and widespread complicity by media as well as cowardice on the Robert's court allowed 2020 to happen.  If the same kinds of things occur again, DC may feel it has triumphed but it will see blowback and general resistance to its legitimacy from this point on.

The polls are partisan centric and way out. The fact that ruby red states like North Carolina and Iowa are in play tells you everything about how people will vote. Claiming a “rigged election “ based on partisan bias doesn’t constitute a rigged election 

[Unusual Tournament]

6 hours ago, AZDZ said:

I just saw him at a rally ramping up the Fake News Fallacy.

…now it’s “fake polls” it just never ends. Trump is fixated on mail-in-ballots because they favour the democrats. Trump is escalating to a very dangerous position post election 

[Setton]

6 hours ago, and-then said:

You sound like a kid trying to win an argument.  Yeah, he "lost" but there was plenty of very good reasons to doubt that loss and if those same things happen again it will cause millions to lose faith in the only tie that binds Americans together.  Even you folks outside the country should really hope against that.  It will affect the whole world if we go so tribal that we begin ignoring a central government.  I assume you Leftists believe that millions of people will just obey the law or get arrested.  A few hundred or even thousands of people ignoring/resisting a Federal government can possibly be controlled...MILLIONS of people deciding to tell DC to go eff itself is a whole different animal.  IOW, if the Right begins doing what the Left did in January of 2017, America will be in for some serious problems that the Feds are unable to suppress.

The better idea would be to come together and find a way to compromise on guaranteeing secure elections but one party, and ONLY one party, adamantly refuses any measures to secure and validate the ballot.  That makes rational people wonder why.

Gosh well when you put it like that:

You still lost.

[+Sherapy]

15 hours ago, and-then said:

I've never heard of a losing candidate for POTUS that had winning "coattails"  He had down-ticket positive impact but somehow lost his own race?  I don't recall that ever happening before.  He also nailed nearly every known bellweather indicator that has always pointed to the winner.  Fraudulent mail-in ballots and widespread complicity by media as well as cowardice on the Robert's court allowed 2020 to happen.  If the same kinds of things occur again, DC may feel it has triumphed but it will see blowback and general resistance to its legitimacy from this point on.

Trump lost 2020, he was fired, he refused to concede so, as a disgruntled ex employee he instigated a riot by making up a “stolen election,” many people were hurt and 5 were killed, chants of hang Pence his own VP echoed thru the mob. Trump has been indicted for this, he was found guilty on sexual misconduct, these are the facts. 
 

https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf

[+Sherapy]

16 hours ago, Wakka25 said:

Dumping sacks full of ballots? I wonder what they're trying to hide: 

 

 

 

 

2020 Trump lost by 7.1 million votes. That is not evidence of a candidate who had the wind beneath his sails for the win. 

[ExpandMyMind]

3 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

2020 Trump lost by 7.1 million votes. That is not evidence of a candidate who had the wind beneath his sails for the win. 

Yes,  but those 7 million were all Democrats so it doesn't count.

[Trelane]

18 hours ago, Wakka25 said:

The 2020 election went against all other incumbent elections in US history. What does a fraud election look like?

Imagine Mondale beating Reagan. Something like that I would venture.

[+Razman]

17 hours ago, Wakka25 said:

Dumping sacks full of ballots? I wonder what they're trying to hide: 

 

 

 

 

This was debunked a long time ago .

[+Razman]

17 hours ago, acidhead said:

He's answered this question many times. 

A couple weeks back while working a shift at McDonald's Trump took the time to hold a brief presser and said he'd accept the election results. 

 

Yes........ Except Trump has been talking false election lies almost non stop.

[Edumakated]

1 hour ago, Sherapy said:

2020 Trump lost by 7.1 million votes. That is not evidence of a candidate who had the wind beneath his sails for the win. 

The 7 million is entirely CA and NY and would not have made a difference in outcome since we elect based on electoral college.  He lost by like 20,000 votes or so which was the difference in a state like WI.  Hardly nothing.

 

[Antigonos]

18 hours ago, and-then said:

I've never heard of a losing candidate for POTUS that had winning "coattails"  He had down-ticket positive impact but somehow lost his own race?  I don't recall that ever happening before.  He also nailed nearly every known bellweather indicator that has always pointed to the winner.  Fraudulent mail-in ballots and widespread complicity by media as well as cowardice on the Robert's court allowed 2020 to happen.  If the same kinds of things occur again, DC may feel it has triumphed but it will see blowback and general resistance to its legitimacy from this point on.

You’re the cause of your own confusion. So let me help clear it up for you:

60+ court cases, including those presided over by Trump appointed judges found zero evidence of any election fraud.

Here’s another fact you Magat clowns keep ignoring:

[ExpandMyMind]

1 hour ago, Edumakated said:

The 7 million is entirely CA and NY and would not have made a difference in outcome since we elect based on electoral college.  He lost by like 20,000 votes or so which was the difference in a state like WI.  Hardly nothing.

 

Oh, so only the two states that contribute most to the US economy, and are largely responsible for the welfare state handouts that keep the Alabamas of the US afloat.

Those pesky voters shouldn't even count!

All your 20,000 number does is show that the electoral college is archaic. 

[Trelane]

Actually, California and Texas are the top 2 states contributing to the American economy.

Just so we keep things straight in this sub forum knife fight. You may all resume the pointless bickering.

[ExpandMyMind]

15 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Actually, California and Texas are the top 2 states contributing to the American economy.

Just so we keep things straight in this sub forum knife fight. You may all resume the pointless bickering.

Okay so 1st and 3rd. My bad. 

[Trelane]

Facts, like words, have meaning. Especially during this election cycle.

[ExpandMyMind]

7 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Facts, like words, have meaning. Especially during this election cycle.