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Where Harris’ campaign went wrong


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23 hours ago, Dejarma said:

nothing new= the <higher ups> have always been experts in non sequitur BS! 

Yeah, but usually those "higher ups" have had on the job training and have mastered that skill set.  That woman is a living breathing MONUMENT to the "Peter Principle".

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1 hour ago, Slugnutty said:

Thanks. In fact was only discussing this point earlier today and concluded the succession should have started from day one recognising Biden was destined for a single term. 

I think everyone except Biden, assumed that outcome ;) 

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4 minutes ago, and-then said:

I think everyone except Biden, assumed that outcome ;) 

Let's be honest,in Bidens state he was basically manipulated into believing he was still in his "prime".

Everyone telling tales of how sharp,ultra aware,sharp as a tack nonsense over and over had his diminished mind believing it.

I'm not making fun of him by any means,I believe it was cruel of his handlers and his family to keep pushing him out there to embarrass himself.

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54 minutes ago, and-then said:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/01/trump-threaten-liz-cheney-shot/

Trump is an "inarticulate" speaker and it gives his enemies ammo to make him look very bad, indeed BUT... this line of his has been debunked multiple times, even by many on the Left.  He was telling the simple truth about Cheney - she's a Neocon warmonger who would be far less likely to press for war if she was on the front lines in combat.

I get what he was saying but i couldn't find anything on when or where Liz started any wars or sent any soldiers to wars. I asked a few days back in one of the threads but i don't recall any replies.

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2 hours ago, Slugnutty said:

Agree with all of this. Thanks. In fact was only discussing this point earlier today and concluded the succession should have started from day one recognising Biden was destined for a single term. 

As long as this is the lesson you are getting, you aren't getting the lesson that "America isn't ready for a black woman as president". Which is what I was replying to in my last post. I'm glad we have a bit of common ground here, but I think it's pretty straight forward in reality. 

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6 minutes ago, Razman said:

I get what he was saying but i couldn't find anything on when or where Liz started any wars or sent any soldiers to wars. I asked a few days back in one of the threads but i don't recall any replies.

 

He was referring to her daddy

 

 

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1 minute ago, Will Due said:

 

He was referring to her daddy

 

 

I kinda thought that , but why then is he calling her a war hawk or whatever?

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41 minutes ago, F3SS said:

Psyche, you're an embarrassment to yourself. Your incessant need to get the last word forces you to extrapolate inane observations from clear context and argue for the sake of arguing. You're hurt, we know it. 🥱 

How is that? You want to school me on why you support a criminal blindly?

You can't even comprehend that a poster actually stated lies and misinformation are free speech. You start rabbiting on about challenging claims as lies and misinformation when that was never the discussion. I think all you have proven is that you are one of the uneducated white males conned. Laughable. 

I'm not hurt. I'm on the other side of the world quite safe from you conservative loonies. 

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14 minutes ago, Razman said:

I kinda thought that , but why then is he calling her a war hawk or whatever?

 

Because she's a daddy's girl who embodies everything about him. What you can say about one, you can say about the other.

 

 

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4 hours ago, psyche101 said:

I see the concern and I understand why that came into play with Kamala. It wouldn't be as bad for the average person though ad the tarrifs will be. 

China because we will be dragged into Trump's trade war as an ally. 

You mentioned 4% above. You know the plan is 20% on us as well I take it? China is 60-200%. That's not defending China, it's pointing out that they are a major supplier to every country and the tarrifs will hit the hip pocket. The tarrifs will increase every single imported good dramatically. 

I'm not even thinking about China, just what it will do to America and all her allies. This will increase inflation a great deal. That affects everyone too. 

I did read it could be up to 20% for every nation, and even higher for China.

I suppose it depends. If we can actually build item X for only 10% higher than the import, than it will create jobs and GDP here. If that's not possible, than it's just stupid to tariff that item. 

Unless the FedGov is going to subsidize industries. Which doesn't always work as planned.

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3 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

I did read it could be up to 20% for every nation, and Michigan higher for China.

I suppose it depends. If we can actually build item X for only 10% higher than the import, than it will create jobs and GDP here. If that's not possible, than it's just stupid to tariff that item. 

Unless the FedGov is going to subsidize industries. Which doesn't always work as planned.

Do you think it's possible? I don't. I think we would be on that path already if so. We all would.

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1 hour ago, psyche101 said:

This is where I get a lot of my American politics information from. If you skip to 17:50 and view from there, the statistics are labelled well. I couldn't find the bit I wanted so I have posted the whole episode.

If you do end up watching it all, I would be interested in your opinion of it as an American. 

These guys don't expect much from the deportation threats. 

 

I'll give it a watch.

Trump did poll very high with white males. Especially the undereducated, and Christians. So its easy to point at them and lay blame, but honestly they couldn't have pulled in more than a couple states on only their own voting power. 

In the swing states it was those in the political center who voted Trump, who made the whole difference. 

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I think it was a whole bunch of things unfortunately. She came strong out the gate but lost steam. Voters wanting lower prices are in for a rude shock when the tarrifs hit.

Myself, I predicted a "honeymoon" period where her approval rating, and polling numbers spiked. Given her previous numbers, I thought it only a matter of time before her numbers dropped off.

But that wasn't even her issue. She, herself, wasn't the main issue. The link to Biden, and voter sentiment on the economy, is what sank her. IMHO. 

I'll watch the thing with tariffs. If it even happens. Trump is infamous for dodging campaign promises. 

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10 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Do you think it's possible? I don't. I think we would be on that path already if so. We all would.

10% savings is actually enough that a US corporation will send production overseas. 

You're right it would increase prices, but I think the idea is to "on-shore" more industries that have been dying out... Pennsylvania used to have steel mills, but all the production was sent elsewhere. If foreign steel gets expensive enough those $30, $40, $50, an hour jobs could return. I think that's what people think is going to happen. But I'm skeptical that it actually would happen... Without government money thrown in on top.

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37 minutes ago, Razman said:

I kinda thought that , but why then is he calling her a war hawk or whatever?

Liz Cheney has been involved in the federal government since 2002 when she worked in the State Department, precisely as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs being appointed to the position before leaving in 2003 to work on Bush's reelection campaign and came back to work in the State Department in 2005 to about 2007.  After a couple years outside of government she ran for a Senate seat in 2014 and lost before ultimately getting into the House of Representatives in 2016 till 2022.

During all her time in government she heavily backed and supported the Iraq War during her time in the State Department.  In 2015 she opposed the JCPOA and in 2019 wanted Trump to bomb Iran for shooting down an American drone and complained openly and publicly when Trump called off the air strike on Iran.  In September of 2019 she wanted Trump to conduct a proportional military strike on Iran due to Iran attacking Saudi oil infrastructure.  She also opposed the American withdrawal from Afghanistan. Lastly near the end of her political career she wanted to include a provision that would allow women to be drafted like men.  

Right or wrong Liz Cheney has a decently long history of being a bit of a war hawk.

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Liz Cheney knew she was doing political suicide by joining with Pelosi, so I don't feel.sorry for her much. She was, at one point, like the third most powerful Republican in government. She tossed it for revenge. And sometimes such a thing will follow you the rest of your life.

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1 hour ago, psyche101 said:

You can't even comprehend that a poster actually stated lies and misinformation are free speech.

Yes, I do comprehend that and he is right. You don't like that. You want somebody in charge of that and I've laid a case against that. 

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36 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

I'll give it a watch.

:tu:

I would be very interested in your feedback.

36 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Trump did poll very high with white males. Especially the undereducated, and Christians. So its easy to point at them and lay blame, but honestly they couldn't have pulled in more than a couple states on only their own voting power. 

In the swing states it was those in the political center who voted Trump, who made the whole difference. 

It appears they weren't in greater numbers and did make a difference but many others things did as well. Like the huge change in the Latino vote.

36 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Myself, I predicted a "honeymoon" period where her approval rating, and polling numbers spiked. Given her previous numbers, I thought it only a matter of time before her numbers dropped off.

But that wasn't even her issue. She, herself, wasn't the main issue. The link to Biden, and voter sentiment on the economy, is what sank her. IMHO. 

And you were completely correct in hindsight. 

She was made out to be really stupid to by the right, and a lot of people happily went with it. That really didn't help. 

36 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

I'll watch the thing with tariffs. If it even happens. Trump is infamous for dodging campaign promises. 

I expect the one he will dodge will be mass deportation and probably ending wars. Mass deportation will remain patchy and unfinished like the wall and I think Putin, Zelensky, Xi and Kim would hand him his butt and send him on his way. He's more likely to start a war than stop one with his mouth. 

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5 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

Because she's a daddy's girl who embodies everything about him. What you can say about one, you can say about the other.

So you can't detail a course of conduct to support the label of war hawk.  Instead you invoke the North Korea way of intergenerational punishment.

You talk enough **** on your own without imitating Kim.

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9 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I did read it could be up to 20% for every nation, and even higher for China.

I suppose it depends. If we can actually build item X for only 10% higher than the import, than it will create jobs and GDP here. If that's not possible, than it's just stupid to tariff that item. 

Unless the FedGov is going to subsidize industries. Which doesn't always work as planned.

The offspring of manufacturing to China has resulted in a hostile competitor potentially more dangerous that the Soviet union.    The USA didn’t rely on Soviet products like we do chinas. That wasn’t the way it was supposed to work out.  One way to weaken them is to reshore manufacturing. Maybe better to fund that than a massive military.

 

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Hey, to those who wanted to remove the Electoral College. Some states started a thing called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.

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The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) is an agreement among a group of U.S. states and the District of Columbia to award all their electoral votes to whichever presidential ticket wins the overall popular vote in the 50 states and the District of Columbia.

Someone thought this was a good idea, because Republicans were never going to ever, ever win the Popular Vote ever again.

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The compact is designed to ensure that the candidate who receives the most votes nationwide is elected president, and it would come into effect only when it would guarantee that outcome.

If this was enforced Trump wins almost all the Blue states...

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Oh, just so funny to me.

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Not sure if this was posted already.

https://fortune.com/2024/11/06/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-kamala-harris-2024-election-results-democratic-party-bandoned-working-cmiddle-class/

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Bernie Sanders: Democrats shouldn’t be surprised middle class ‘abandoned’ its ‘disastrous campaign’ for Trump

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Id tend to agree. Harris was busy with abortion, and being "black", and a "woman", such that a large percentage of people felt disconnected that their own issues were no addressed.

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4 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Hey, to those who wanted to remove the Electoral College. Some states started a thing called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.

Someone thought this was a good idea, because Republicans were never going to ever, ever win the Popular Vote ever again.

If this was enforced Trump wins almost all the Blue states...

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Oh, just so funny to me.

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I'd be interested in seeing the results if the Congressional District Method were applied nation wide.

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4 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Not sure if this was posted already.

https://fortune.com/2024/11/06/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-kamala-harris-2024-election-results-democratic-party-bandoned-working-cmiddle-class/

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Id tend to agree. Harris was busy with abortion, and being "black", and a "woman", such that a large percentage of people felt disconnected that their own issues were no addressed.

I would wonder , did Bernie tell them months ago that he thought it was a disastrous campaign because they were abandoning the working class people , or just spit that out after the election loss?

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Just now, Razman said:

I would wonder , did Bernie tell them months ago that he thought it was a disastrous campaign because they were abandoning the working class people , or just spit that out after the election loss?

He said it about 6 months back as well,I remember posting an article about it.

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