Where Harris’ campaign went wrong

[Claira]

Just now, DayoOlabisi said:

he was also completely unprepared (relatively). he wasn't familiar with national issues with any depth. it's understandable. he probably never thought he'd really be a national candidate, but certainly imagined he'd have years to gear up for a run if he ever was.

Part of his appeal to Harris was the fact that he expressed no interest in running for the top spot. His lack of ambition in that direction was a key factor in her decision. And yes, he was unprepared. The issues were simple: the economy, immigration and abortion. Harris tackled abortion well, but got an F on the other two — which to many of Americans were the most critical.

[DarkHunter]

3 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

A really bad call on her part,the guy actually seems to be able to tell the truth,and the whole truth at that...I've watched him speak a few times with zero lies or untruths mixed in for max effect.

I believe Shapiro being Jewish hurt his chances,as Kamala didn't want to offend the campus rioting part of her base.

Bit her in the ass.

Shapiro being Jewish probably did hurt him a bit but a lot of her campaign staff still wanted him to be the pick.  

If Shapiro would of made a big enough difference for Kamala to win is not clear.  Trump won by a decent lead in Pennsylvania and it's not a guarantee that Shapiro would of helped Kamala win Michigan or Wisconsin 

[Claira]

1 minute ago, CrimsonKing said:

I believe Shapiro being Jewish hurt his chances,as Kamala didn't want to offend the campus rioting part of her base.

I also think that influenced her decision. The irony, however, is that Walz was more openly supportive of Israel and Netanyahu than Shapiro was. I've got to admit that her not showing up for Netanyahu's address really irked me. That and that alone would have been enough for me not to vote for her. If you want to be a world leader, you show up and deal with it, regardless of what you think of a person.

[Edumakated]

There were a lot of things that went wrong...

1) Ridiculous lawfare against Trump.  It became real clear they were manipulating the legal system and throwing anything they could hoping it would stick to keep him from running again.  If he Trump had come out and said he wasn't running, I guarantee not a single one of those criminal cases or lawsuits would have been filed.

2) Open border.  Sending migrants to blue cities was a genius move.  Democrats denial about the border even after migrants were wrecking their city budgets was just too much to ignore.  Not only that, Kamala was in fact the border czar and failed miserably by not doing a darn thing.  Then Democrats tried to ram through that garbage bill with pork that did nothing.

3) Hitler / Facism Hyperbole.  The constant calling Trump Hitler and accusations of fascism was getting tiresome.  Not too mention, by extension accusing half the country of the same.

4) Mainstream Media lies.  The continual blatant lying by mainstream media obviously taking Trump statements out of context just got to levels of absurdity.  Not only that, Democrat politicians continuing to use said statements even after they were widely debunked.

5) Joe Biden's Decline.  The gaslighting and lying about Joe's mental and physical health.  This has been a hot topic since 2020 and the media blatantly covered it up and by extension, Kamala did too.  Once it was too big too ignore, the Democrats constructed a cout de tat to remove Joe and install Kamala without any attempt to offer other alternatives.

6) Kamala was just a weak candidate.  She barely got any traction in 2020.  Was basically absent as a VP and not very authentic.  She simply doesn't have the "it" factor for the President.

7) Kamala's campaign was poorly run.  Kamala didn't get out and interact.  Say what you will about Trump, he wasn't afraid to go into the lion's den and him sitting down with Rogan for 3 hours to chop it up and then JD Vance really humanized him.  Kamala not doing Rogan really hurt her imho.  

Theres more... but thats all I got right now.

[DayoOlabisi]

4 minutes ago, Claira said:

Part of his appeal to Harris was the fact that he expressed no interest in running for the top spot. His lack of ambition in that direction was a key factor in her decision. And yes, he was unprepared. The issues were simple: the economy, immigration and abortion. Harris tackled abortion well, but got an F on the other two — which to many of Americans were the most critical.

yeah i don't doubt Harris knew that she could outshine Walz (she still almost didn't though). Shapiro would be a better candidate than both Harris and Walz. depending on the shake up in the party, he might be a leading choice in 2028 but a lot depends on how things go with Israel and how the party responds. he could find himself on the outs.

[CrimsonKing]

1 minute ago, DayoOlabisi said:

yeah i don't doubt Harris knew that she could outshine Walz (she still almost didn't though). Shapiro would be a better candidate than both Harris and Walz. depending on the shake up in the party, he might be a leading choice in 2028 but a lot depends on how things go with Israel and how the party responds. he could find himself on the outs.

I believe it will be Newsom for President,he's kinda slick like Bill was,and Shapiro VP...

Word salad ruined any future chances I would think...I mean really,she couldn't answer anything or anyone in a definitive fashion.

[Claira]

3 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

Theres more... but thats all I got right now.

That's more than enough lol. I agree with some of what you wrote, but will add that both sides were guilty of name calling and personal attacks. A campaign focused more on the issues would have shown a deeper concern and respect for voters.

As for the media, they lost all credibility a long time ago.

[Duke Wellington]

23 minutes ago, glorybebe said:

Sore loser Kamala STILL hasn't admitted she lost as world waits for concession speech and Biden stays silent

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14049277/kamala-harris-delays-concession-speech-donald-trump-victory.html

 

So, she didn't even thank her supporters?  Just walked off the stage? 

They snuck her out the back so people couldn`t see her booing.

She couldn`t face the cameras.

[Claira]

Just now, CrimsonKing said:

I believe it will be Newsom for President,he's kinda slick like Bill was,and Shapiro VP...

They would make an amazing team. I'm already crushing on both lol.

1 minute ago, CrimsonKing said:

Word salad ruined any future chances I would think...I mean really,she couldn't answer anything or anyone in a definitive fashion.

She couldn't in some areas, yes, but where she could, she wouldn't — and the reasons for the latter are twofold: (1) she did not want to in any way disparage Biden out of some ridiculous sense of loyalty, and (2) she wanted to play it safe and appeal to all sides. Her handling of the war in Gaza was a good example of that.

[CrimsonKing]

1 minute ago, Claira said:

They would make an amazing team. I'm already crushing on both lol.

She couldn't in some areas, yes, but where she could, she wouldn't — and the reasons for the latter are twofold: (1) she did not want to in any way disparage Biden out of some ridiculous sense of loyalty, and (2) she wanted to play it safe and appeal to all sides. Her handling of the war in Gaza was a good example of that.

Hmmm want to give a "laugh" on the first part,and a "like" on the second part...so you'll get a "confused" instead 😆

[Setton]

49 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

Yesterday was "Back to the Future" day... November 5th.

Kinda wild lol

Not what we remember on 5th November round here. But probably best not mention what we do commemorate. Could be.... misinterpreted.

[CrimsonKing]

Might watch the Back to the Future trilogy tonight, maybe get a glimpse of what Biffs return has in store for our country 😆

[Claira]

5 minutes ago, Duke Wellington said:

They snuck her out the back so people couldn`t see her booing.

She couldn`t face the cameras.

When a woman not wearing water-proof mascara suffers a devastating setback, she leaves. It's what we do.

[CrimsonKing]

1 minute ago, Claira said:

When a woman not wearing water-proof mascara suffers a devastating setback, she leaves. It's what we do.

A lady at the gym recently went into the steam room without following procedure...

[Duke Wellington]

45 minutes ago, glorybebe said:

Everyone could see the numbers.  He won early on

They could have called in a mere 3 hours in which was wow.

[WVK]

16 minutes ago, Claira said:

As for the media, they lost all credibility a long time ago

On Monday the host of mornings edition NPR was claiming that Trump called for Liz Cheney to be shot.

[+and-then]

3 hours ago, glorybebe said:

She was the wrong candidate.  She would go off on tangents in answered that had nothing to do with the question.  She didn't fulfill her duties as VP, how was she going to handle being president?  

The party itself is more to blame than Harris.  They chose to continue trying to destroy him with legal issues and fearmongering about "Democracy dying" and even when his polls continued to rise, they kept doubling down.  That wasn't rational, it was a kind of hate-driven hysteria.  Now I guess we get to see if they continue to double down and repeat their actions in January of 2017 at his first inauguration.  I hope they'll at least try to get along.

[glorybebe]

1 minute ago, and-then said:

The party itself is more to blame than Harris.  They chose to continue trying to destroy him with legal issues and fearmongering about "Democracy dying" and even when his polls continued to rise, they kept doubling down.  That wasn't rational, it was a kind of hate-driven hysteria.  Now I guess we get to see if they continue to double down and repeat their actions in January of 2017 at his first inauguration.  I hope they'll at least try to get along.

Yes, but, Harris was banking on her being a black woman.  She thought using those two aspects would win her the election.   And then the celebs who came out to support her.  Just because they are celebs doesn't mean they know their politics, that pushed the average person away since the mega rich have no concept about living hand to mouth.

[Setton]

2 minutes ago, and-then said:

The party itself is more to blame than Harris.  They chose to continue trying to destroy him with legal issues and fearmongering about "Democracy dying" and even when his polls continued to rise, they kept doubling down.  That wasn't rational, it was a kind of hate-driven hysteria.  Now I guess we get to see if they continue to double down and repeat their actions in January of 2017 at his first inauguration.  I hope they'll at least try to get along.

No, now we get to see if they were actually wrong about him posing a threat to democracy.

Along with, of course, seeing if you were wrong that the left would repeat 6th Jan if he won...

[Claira]

3 minutes ago, WVK said:

On Monday the host of mornings edition NPR was claiming that Trump called for Liz Cheney to be shot.

Yes, he said that Cheney should have guns 'trained on her face'. And few days later at his Pennsylvania rally, he said that he wouldn't mind if someone shot through the area where press were assembled. As someone who's been the target of two assassination attempts, he should know better.

[CrimsonKing]

1 minute ago, Claira said:

Yes, he said that Cheney should have guns 'trained on her face'. And few days later at his Pennsylvania rally, he said that he wouldn't mind if someone shot through the area where press were assembled. As someone who's been the target of two assassination attempts, he should know better.

The rhetoric definitely needs toned down.

[Claira]

2 minutes ago, glorybebe said:

Yes, but, Harris was banking on her being a black woman.  She thought using those two aspects would win her the election.   And then the celebs who came out to support her.  Just because they are celebs doesn't mean they know their politics, that pushed the average person away since the mega rich have no concept about living hand to mouth.

Both sides were guilty of that. I don't know how others here feel, but I personally find the presence of celebrities off-putting.

[CrimsonKing]

2 minutes ago, glorybebe said:

Yes, but, Harris was banking on her being a black woman.  She thought using those two aspects would win her the election.   And then the celebs who came out to support her.  Just because they are celebs doesn't mean they know their politics, that pushed the average person away since the mega rich have no concept about living hand to mouth.

When her "star studded" events started resembling a "Diddy party" it definitely seemed a bit out of touch with current reality.

[Claira]

2 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

The rhetoric definitely needs toned down.

And then some. Some of it is downright dangerous.

[glorybebe]

15 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

When her "star studded" events started resembling a "Diddy party" it definitely seemed a bit out of touch with current reality.

And that brings another point...how many celebs who supported her are tied to this whole Diddy thing?  I know a lot of people bring up Epstein and Trump, yet it was in the news way back that Trump banned Epstein from mar-a-lago and had nothing further to do with him? Diddy is fresh news and there are a lot of celebs and politicians running scared