psyche101 Posted November 7, 2024 #176 Share Posted November 7, 2024 16 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: Remember when during the one and only debate with Harris when Trump was fact checked and the outcries from the Trump peanut gallery to drown out even fact checking his claims and informing the audience of the truth. Basically Trump and Co. election campaign was based on disinformation and suppression of the truth. That's what bewilders me. Why anyone actually approves of lies and misinformation is just bizarre. Yet I was told just that by an American poster. It's free speech apparently and ad such validated for public consumption. Again, glad to be on the opposite side of the world. I would say America looks like one of the most corrupt countries on the planet today. Watched Planet America last night. They found it astounding too and asked how a convicted felon could be elected by normal people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted November 7, 2024 #177 Share Posted November 7, 2024 18 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: Yep! Weakest candidate with the loudest voice Voted in as DC pointed out by uneducated white men. The unintelligent are easier to manipulate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted November 7, 2024 #178 Share Posted November 7, 2024 18 minutes ago, F3SS said: Problem is, who's the bearer of truth? Who fact checks the fact checkers? Which topics of conversation are given legal limits? There are always facts to refer back to. However that's not really the point. An American poster told me it doesn't matter if it's definitely misinformation or an outright lie. It should be protected by free speech. I don't agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Razman Posted November 7, 2024 #179 Share Posted November 7, 2024 24 minutes ago, DarkHunter said: Since Trump won he will probably now nominate two to three more Supreme Court Justices Worked pretty well for him so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Razman Posted November 7, 2024 #180 Share Posted November 7, 2024 6 hours ago, Zebra3 said: People are sick of Dems claiming to be victims of anything and everything if something doesn't go their way. How do you guys always manage to project things the other way? I mean this is exactly what Trump does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted November 7, 2024 #181 Share Posted November 7, 2024 20 minutes ago, acidhead said: Hey nice new profile photo! You know it's absolutely incredible that Trump went from working at McDonald's to becoming a garbage truck collector to President of the United States of America in a span of about two weeks. Nice to see the American dream is once again alive and well in the land of opportunity. Thanks! I'll be keeping it for a while and yes that is one heck of a rags to riches story we just witnessed lol. 12 minutes ago, psyche101 said: Watched Planet America last night. They found it astounding too and asked how a convicted felon could be elected by normal people. Because everybody thinks the charges are all trumped up bullsht and political persecution. Plain and simple. That's the answer. 8 minutes ago, psyche101 said: There are always facts to refer back to. However that's not really the point. An American poster told me it doesn't matter if it's definitely misinformation or an outright lie. It should be protected by free speech. I don't agree. No, it really is the point. There has to be an extreme amount of formality and an impeccable amount of trust and transparency. You can't just want something like that without thinking it through. Knowing how obedient you are to the state, I feel it's just a matter of blind trust to you aimed directly at those you disagree with politically. You've likely never thought of the ways it could and would be used against yourself. It wouldn't just be science and safety related. It's a dangerous totalitarian road to go down. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted November 7, 2024 #182 Share Posted November 7, 2024 50 minutes ago, Will Due said: I see you're really struggling. It isn't about Trump's ideals. It's about yours. You were already told not to go there. Whole lotta judgement going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted November 7, 2024 #183 Share Posted November 7, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said: If an Australian politician made the same bombastic promises like Trump about Tarrifs, military alliances, social rights and so forth he/she would never even reach an election let alone be voted into power. This is an American problem when facts cannot be only discussed or scrutinised so politicians can be held accountable (which they should). @psyche101 The type of tariff Trump is spruiking is known as a protective tariff. It is anti competition and therefore at its core Un-American. It protects the consumer against low prices. Milton Friedman Edited November 7, 2024 by Golden Duck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted November 7, 2024 #184 Share Posted November 7, 2024 21 minutes ago, F3SS said: Thanks! I'll be keeping it for a while and yes that is one heck of a rags to riches story we just witnessed lol. Rags to riches!? Huh?? 21 minutes ago, F3SS said: Because everybody thinks the charges are all trumped up bullsht and political persecution. Plain and simple. That's the answer. No. Sycophants do. Courts were involved. This went through due process. Denying a trial is simply vigilante action. Become a judge and one has the right to speak. People who can't tell their butt from a hole in the ground shouldn't actually have a say in technical issues. What you actually are illustrating here is how Trump won the uneducated male vote. What a victory....... 21 minutes ago, F3SS said: No, it really is the point. There has to be an extreme amount of formality and an impeccable amount of trust and transparency. You can't just want something like that without thinking it through. Knowing how obedient you are to the state, I feel it's just a matter of blind trust to you aimed directly at those you disagree with politically. You've likely never thought of the ways it could and would be used against yourself. It wouldn't just be science and safety related. It's a dangerous totalitarian road to go down. No. It is the point. You are dancing around it. Lies don't pass fact checks. Nor does misinformation. I'm not talking about something in question. An American poster told me that outright lies and misinformation are free speech and valid in that regard. No caveats. Not maybe it might be true. Lies and misinformation apparently = free speech. And that's why Trump won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Razman Posted November 7, 2024 #185 Share Posted November 7, 2024 1 hour ago, F3SS said: Because everybody thinks the charges are all trumped up bullsht and political persecution. Plain and simple. That's the answer. Do you think Trump done nothing wrong and it's all bull and political persecution too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted November 7, 2024 #186 Share Posted November 7, 2024 21 minutes ago, Razman said: Do you think Trump done nothing wrong and it's all bull and political persecution too? Its insane just how many do. Funny thing, Trump's a multi millionaire. Anyone else, any other company would be considered a corporate giant and as such untrustworthy. It's a huge disconnect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gummug Posted November 7, 2024 #187 Share Posted November 7, 2024 13 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said: One of the comments below the video :- "Thank goodness Kamala clarified that the stuff is not just stuff but fundamental stuff. I feel like a huge burden has been lifted about the stuff that has been because the stuff is indeed fundamental stuff. Vote for Kamala if you believe in solving world hunger with word salad." Looks like some people will clap at anything she says....talk about KSS.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted November 7, 2024 #188 Share Posted November 7, 2024 3 hours ago, Golden Duck said: The type of tariff Trump is spruiking is known as a protective tariff. It is anti competition and therefore at its core Un-American. It protects the consumer against low prices. Milton Friedman China's subsidizing it's industries are what's undermining free trade agreements to begin with. "If a foreign government is subsidizing it's exports, then the argument for free trade does not apply... in that case, tariffs may be necessary to offset the subsidy." (Free to Choose, 1980) Milton Friedman 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted November 7, 2024 #189 Share Posted November 7, 2024 55 minutes ago, acidhead said: China's subsidizing it's industries are what's undermining free trade agreements to begin with. "If a foreign government is subsidizing it's exports, then the argument for free trade does not apply... in that case, tariffs may be necessary to offset the subsidy." (Free to Choose, 1980) Milton Friedman You are talking countervailing duty. The USA has been subsidising farmers for decades. Resulting in an uncompetitive market. Friedman made that comment about 15 years before the establishment of the WTO. But, even under GATT dumping and countervailing measures were only supposed to be implemented after an investigation to calculate duties to be levied. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted November 7, 2024 #190 Share Posted November 7, 2024 25 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: You are talking countervailing duty. The USA has been subsidising farmers for decades. Resulting in an uncompetitive market. Friedman made that comment about 15 years before the establishment of the WTO. But, even under GATT dumping and countervailing measures were only supposed to be implemented after an investigation to calculate duties to be levied. Do any countries with a high volume of exports exist that don't subsidize their exports? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted November 7, 2024 #191 Share Posted November 7, 2024 4 hours ago, acidhead said: Do any countries with a high volume of exports exist that don't subsidize their exports? Huh? You were talking about manufacturing subsidies, right? What do you mean by export subsidy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 7, 2024 #192 Share Posted November 7, 2024 15 hours ago, Slugnutty said: She could have worn a strap on? You're funny. Too bad Harris wasn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 7, 2024 #193 Share Posted November 7, 2024 11 hours ago, psyche101 said: Voted in as DC pointed out by uneducated white men. The unintelligent are easier to manipulate. Too hard for Democrats though?? 😇 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 7, 2024 #194 Share Posted November 7, 2024 13 hours ago, psyche101 said: 60-200% on Chinese imports 10-20% on all nations including allies. That's only leading to high inflation and interest rates. No congress required, he can pass them as president AUKUS????? What I've read is about 8 trillion over 10 years. Which will be a lot, unless the government slows down spending to match. Back to pre-Covid spending would even things out. Bidemomics increased the debt as if the emergency Covid spending never stopped. https://www.heritage.org/debt/commentary/the-lefts-7-trillion-lie-biden-far-outpaces-trump-racking-the-national-debt Quote The CBO now expects the debt to be $7.2 trillion higher than it had projected when Trump left office—all because of Biden’s reckless spending policies. Quote The debt actually rose $6.5 trillion during Trump’s entire term—and is up $7.9 trillion in less than four years of Biden’s tenure. I don't agree with spending more and more and more. Not without somehow getting more income. Tariffs are income. But if they cause more inflation that's going to be hard. Though seems everyone was OK with 4% most of the last 3 years anyway. Do you really want to defend China so much? They're openly aggressive toward just about everyone. And possibly looking at a societal crash within the next decade. Once they crash, trade can be normalized. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted November 7, 2024 #195 Share Posted November 7, 2024 14 hours ago, psyche101 said: Rags to riches!? Huh?? No. Sycophants do. Courts were involved. This went through due process. Denying a trial is simply vigilante action. Become a judge and one has the right to speak. People who can't tell their butt from a hole in the ground shouldn't actually have a say in technical issues. What you actually are illustrating here is how Trump won the uneducated male vote. What a victory....... No. It is the point. You are dancing around it. Lies don't pass fact checks. Nor does misinformation. I'm not talking about something in question. An American poster told me that outright lies and misinformation are free speech and valid in that regard. No caveats. Not maybe it might be true. Lies and misinformation apparently = free speech. And that's why Trump won. Yea that was a joke about him working at McD's to becoming president 2 weeks later. I can't believe that needs spelled out for you. It was all trumped up bullsht that nobody with an ounce of sensibility would be convinced of otherwise. Too bad, that's how it is. You're wrong you tyrant. You cannot control speech if you cannot control who's in control of it. You'd have done well simping for a monarch or even a Hitler. You'll agree with anything authority demands of you. 14 hours ago, Razman said: Do you think Trump done nothing wrong and it's all bull and political persecution too? Yes I do. His Maralago loan case was the most ridiculous crap imaginable. Literally nothing went wrong in that loan deal and there were zero complaining parties, ntm the ludacrous fine levied against him for it. After which, governor Hochul, I believe her name is, had to make a public statement to New Yorkers to not worry about any of that hapoeneing to them if they run a business in New York, implying that this was only about getting Trump. His documents case and the rumors surrounding it were incredulous. And that batsht crazy woman with the eyes to match? Holy hell who could believe that story. She writes raunchy sex novels, told an unlikely story about him that seamed to be lifted straight out of its pages, perhaps even stole the story from an episode of law and order iirc, named her cat vagina and while recounting her tale to Anderson Cooper she told him most people think rape is sexy as he tries to sympathize with her and I seen that live and uncut when it happened. Most of which was all brought onto him by activist attorneys who ran entire campaigns on "get Trump". 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claira Posted November 7, 2024 Author #196 Share Posted November 7, 2024 Editor's Notes: Kamala’s mistake: Ignoring Josh Shapiro cost her the White House For those of us who watched the Harris campaign’s struggle to connect in places like Pennsylvania, it’s hard not to think Shapiro might have brought a bit of grit to the ticket. As reported by The Forward, political insiders like Daniella Greenbaum Davis are echoing the sentiment on social media: “If Kamala had chosen Josh Shapiro, this night might have gone very differently.” It’s a thought that’s been swirling through the minds of disappointed Democrats, especially Jewish voters who feel the party didn’t quite “get” them this time around. https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-828085 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claira Posted November 7, 2024 Author #197 Share Posted November 7, 2024 WASHINGTON (AP) — Joe Biden’s name wasn’t on the ballot, but history will likely remember Kamala Harris’ resounding defeat as his loss too. As Democrats pick up the pieces after US president-elect Donald Trump’s decisive victory, some of the vice president’s backers are expressing frustration that Biden’s decision to seek reelection until this summer — despite long-standing voter concerns about his age and unease about post-pandemic inflation as well as the US-Mexico border — all but sealed his party’s surrender of the White House. “The biggest onus of this loss is on President Biden,” said Andrew Yang, who ran against Biden in 2020 for the Democratic nomination and endorsed Harris’ unsuccessful run. “If he had stepped down in January instead of July, we may be in a very different place.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/biden-blamed-by-harris-allies-for-resounding-loss-to-trump/ They say hindsight is 20/20 but how stupid of them not to have had foresight when it mattered most. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted November 7, 2024 #198 Share Posted November 7, 2024 1 minute ago, Claira said: WASHINGTON (AP) — Joe Biden’s name wasn’t on the ballot, but history will likely remember Kamala Harris’ resounding defeat as his loss too. As Democrats pick up the pieces after US president-elect Donald Trump’s decisive victory, some of the vice president’s backers are expressing frustration that Biden’s decision to seek reelection until this summer — despite long-standing voter concerns about his age and unease about post-pandemic inflation as well as the US-Mexico border — all but sealed his party’s surrender of the White House. “The biggest onus of this loss is on President Biden,” said Andrew Yang, who ran against Biden in 2020 for the Democratic nomination and endorsed Harris’ unsuccessful run. “If he had stepped down in January instead of July, we may be in a very different place.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/biden-blamed-by-harris-allies-for-resounding-loss-to-trump/ They say hindsight is 20/20 but how stupid of them not to have had foresight when it mattered most. Hindsight and foresight be damned they said... I mentioned numerous times on here that his mind was going back in 20-21,was told it was nothing but "his well known stutter". I know what a stutter is, people walking around doing bizarre actions, saying bizarre things, falling down,ect. are not a "well known stutter". They did it to themselves. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claira Posted November 7, 2024 Author #199 Share Posted November 7, 2024 3 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said: They did it to themselves. They did indeed. Biden's decline was obvious and the fact that they did not pressure him against a second term was a disservice not only to the party, but also to the American public. They have a number of very strong candidates who could have easily defeated Trump, but their over-confidence got the best of them. They banked on the fact that voters would not overlook Trump's various legal and other issues, but voters worried about putting food on the table don't care who helps them do so, as long as someone does. They handed the presidency to Trump on a silver platter. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted November 7, 2024 #200 Share Posted November 7, 2024 2 minutes ago, Claira said: They did indeed. Biden's decline was obvious and the fact that they did not pressure him against a second term was a disservice not only to the party, but also to the American public. They have a number of very strong candidates who could have easily defeated Trump, but their over-confidence got the best of them. They banked on the fact that voters would not overlook Trump's various legal and other issues, but voters worried about putting food on the table don't care who helps them do so, as long as someone does. They handed the presidency to Trump on a silver platter. No joke,one can read through past threads,the media and other Dem politicians had Democrat voters completely hoodwinked...almost as if they thought their very own eyes were lieing to them. The spell finally broke when watching the debate,all a sudden many started acting like they knew it all along. I mean Trump does and says bizarre things,but he always has so it's not that shocking, watching competent smart people lieing like hell to themselves was almost "cultish" in it's own way. I really can't stand partisan politics,get people who are actually capable of doing the job correctly,no matter the letter in front of their name. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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