+DieChecker Posted November 7, 2024 #201 Share Posted November 7, 2024 1 hour ago, Claira said: They say hindsight is 20/20 but how stupid of them not to have had foresight when it mattered most. I've been saying something similar about the SCOTUS. Those who were old Liberals should have stepped down while the President and Senate were Democrat controlled. Now we'll have a Republican President and Senate. And if anything happens to, say Sam Alito (Age 74), he'll be replaced by a Conservative Justice. Making things just that much worse for Liberals/Democrats. What were people saying two years ago when I suggested that. That there was Zero chance of a 2nd Trump presidency. And unlikely to have the Senate flip either. Oh, how the echo chamber does screw with people's ability to reason. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 7, 2024 #202 Share Posted November 7, 2024 2 hours ago, Claira said: Editor's Notes: Kamala’s mistake: Ignoring Josh Shapiro cost her the White House For those of us who watched the Harris campaign’s struggle to connect in places like Pennsylvania, it’s hard not to think Shapiro might have brought a bit of grit to the ticket. As reported by The Forward, political insiders like Daniella Greenbaum Davis are echoing the sentiment on social media: “If Kamala had chosen Josh Shapiro, this night might have gone very differently.” It’s a thought that’s been swirling through the minds of disappointed Democrats, especially Jewish voters who feel the party didn’t quite “get” them this time around. https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-828085 I was watching a YouTube video of a liberal ranting, and he said something like.... What the f#@$ good was Walz. He didn't even secure the votes of the state he was governor of... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 7, 2024 #203 Share Posted November 7, 2024 (edited) 19 hours ago, psyche101 said: What you actually are illustrating here is how Trump won the uneducated male vote. What a victory....... You forgot Christian... When I wrote that, I was, in large part, being sarcastic. In the USA, about 75% of the population is "white". Just under 50% is male. Roughly 50% of whites have a college degree. And roughly 66% of the population is Christian. Children make up roughly 20% also. So statistically the white, uneducated male population is roughly 330 million x 0.75 x 0.5 x 0.5 x 0.8 = 50 million. That times 0.66 is 32 million Christian men. And given about 0.7 rate of adults are registered to vote. And about 0.7 of those actually vote. That comes out to 16 million. Did 16 million actually elect Trump? No. It was a community effort. Many, many woman, and blacks, and Latinos, and (gasp!) the Educated... Joined together and voted in their perceived best interests. The economic (perceived) hardships of the last four years just came to roost. Harris was too linked to Biden, and caught that anger. Many felt she never really explained how she'd turn things around. Edited November 7, 2024 by DieChecker 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted November 7, 2024 #204 Share Posted November 7, 2024 8 hours ago, DieChecker said: Too hard for Democrats though?? 😇 Indeed. It's a difficult task if you involve ethics morals and principles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Razman Posted November 7, 2024 #205 Share Posted November 7, 2024 (edited) 4 hours ago, F3SS said: Yea that was a joke about him working at McD's to becoming president 2 weeks later. I can't believe that needs spelled out for you. It was all trumped up bullsht that nobody with an ounce of sensibility would be convinced of otherwise. Too bad, that's how it is. You're wrong you tyrant. You cannot control speech if you cannot control who's in control of it. You'd have done well simping for a monarch or even a Hitler. You'll agree with anything authority demands of you. Yes I do. His Maralago loan case was the most ridiculous crap imaginable. Literally nothing went wrong in that loan deal and there were zero complaining parties, ntm the ludacrous fine levied against him for it. After which, governor Hochul, I believe her name is, had to make a public statement to New Yorkers to not worry about any of that hapoeneing to them if they run a business in New York, implying that this was only about getting Trump. His documents case and the rumors surrounding it were incredulous. And that batsht crazy woman with the eyes to match? Holy hell who could believe that story. She writes raunchy sex novels, told an unlikely story about him that seamed to be lifted straight out of its pages, perhaps even stole the story from an episode of law and order iirc, named her cat vagina and while recounting her tale to Anderson Cooper she told him most people think rape is sexy as he tries to sympathize with her and I seen that live and uncut when it happened. Most of which was all brought onto him by activist attorneys who ran entire campaigns on "get Trump". Cmon? Trump has a record of like 4,000 court cases against him and his businesses since 1973 , of all sorts of real estate frauds and defamations and others, do you think that he has done none of this? He been screwing people since back then , and IMO , he brought his same crap right with him when he got into politics. In the classified docs case , Trump has the classified docs , fine , so what , If he returns them when asked , no problem , here they are see ya later , no FBI involvement , nada , nothing, just like the ones they found with Biden , difference? Biden returns them , no problem then. But , Trump , he refuses to return them , and thats where the issue starts , ok. Trump himself says he has a right to have those documents , he didn't even hide that is the way he felt. Wrong Trump, there's a law thats says you do not , they are supposed to be returned to the archives . See where the problem is there? It's not lawfare , it's Trump that is the problem for not returning them when asked.All he had to do was give them back , but , no , he doesn't want to. Personal records are one thing classified docs another. Trump has been sued for real estate fraud (and the other things) , since going back to 1973 , it didn't just start when the New York thing happened , it's just another case in a long line of em. In the 34 convictions hush money case, Trump was convicted by a jury. For anyone who might not know what that means , it means that all the jurors that heard the case and all it's evidence (all of them) , decided that beyond a reasonable doubt that he was guilty. Beyond a reasonable doubt .The justice department or Biden or anyone else did not convict him, it was a jury of his peers. No offense to anyone , but in my opinion, for people to say that trump did not do these things and the media made it up and everyone was out to get him is an insult to someone's intelligence. When looking at Trumps whole life in perspective , to me it is common sense that the things he's doing is same or similar crap he's been doing all his adult life pretty much and he continued to do it. The false election claims , different thing , but his teams and all sorts of angles checked it with a fine tooth comb , no evidence found . See the difference when Harris loses , Biden and Harris congratulate him , and give him support of a peaceful transition and move on. Thats integrity , to lose such an important thing , and act with grace. Trump , not at all , again in my opinion , he's been entitled and spoiled most of his life and with his giant narcissistic ego , could not stand to lose . From there we know what happened , so it's too long to get into. Of course , that is , until he wins this time, then we see no more fraud claims from him. He gets his way. People , even here have been running around saying he hasn't lied , that the media made it all up . Gimmee a break already. I wasn't born yesterday , i'm almost 60 now. Don't mean to rant here , but the Trump done no wrong thing , seem ridiculous to me. What many people have been claiming , to me it's the opposite , and obvious. A lot of the time Trump don't even try to hide it. Edited November 8, 2024 by Razman 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted November 7, 2024 #206 Share Posted November 7, 2024 8 hours ago, DieChecker said: What I've read is about 8 trillion over 10 years. Which will be a lot, unless the government slows down spending to match. Back to pre-Covid spending would even things out. Bidemomics increased the debt as if the emergency Covid spending never stopped. https://www.heritage.org/debt/commentary/the-lefts-7-trillion-lie-biden-far-outpaces-trump-racking-the-national-debt I don't agree with spending more and more and more. Not without somehow getting more income. Tariffs are income. But if they cause more inflation that's going to be hard. Though seems everyone was OK with 4% most of the last 3 years anyway. I see the concern and I understand why that came into play with Kamala. It wouldn't be as bad for the average person though ad the tarrifs will be. 8 hours ago, DieChecker said: Do you really want to defend China so much? They're openly aggressive toward just about everyone. And possibly looking at a societal crash within the next decade. Once they crash, trade can be normalized. China because we will be dragged into Trump's trade war as an ally. You mentioned 4% above. You know the plan is 20% on us as well I take it? China is 60-200%. That's not defending China, it's pointing out that they are a major supplier to every country and the tarrifs will hit the hip pocket. The tarrifs will increase every single imported good dramatically. I'm not even thinking about China, just what it will do to America and all her allies. This will increase inflation a great deal. That affects everyone too. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted November 8, 2024 #207 Share Posted November 8, 2024 2 hours ago, CrimsonKing said: Hindsight and foresight be damned they said... I mentioned numerous times on here that his mind was going back in 20-21,was told it was nothing but "his well known stutter". I know what a stutter is, people walking around doing bizarre actions, saying bizarre things, falling down,ect. are not a "well known stutter". They did it to themselves. That was psyche101 100%. That was his go to defense of Biden. He railed against me numerous times for being an insensitive ahole any time Biden's stupid gaffes were mentioned. He has a stutter you prick! How dare you make fun of somebody's speech impediment! I never understood how saying ridiculous things equated to a stutter but it was always a shallow cop out for someone who couldn't see reality and I knew that. 🤦♂️ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted November 8, 2024 #208 Share Posted November 8, 2024 (edited) On 11/7/2024 at 10:22 AM, Slugnutty said: I think it’s a fairly big factor, but would like to know what you think is the right lesson? The democrats didn't sack Joe Biden in January. That was their big mistake. They shoved a mentally incompetent elderly man down your throats until it was obvious he was mentally incompetent, and by the time they acted there was no time to replace him with anyone but the least popular VP in history, no consultation with the American public. As no one chose her, no one was energised to vote for her, I said that days, if not weeks, before the election, and was laughed at for the mere suggestion that she might not be that popular. The right lesson to learn is to get your ducks in a row in a timely fashion and not just wing it at the last minute. If the democrats had held a primary and chosen a candidate (literally anyone) in January this would not have happened. Even if Kamala Harris ended up winning (she probably wouldn't, but let's say she did) the fact that she had a primary debate to introduce herself and her policies to the American people might have been enough. Edited November 8, 2024 by Link of Hyrule 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freez1 Posted November 8, 2024 #209 Share Posted November 8, 2024 She spent the last 4 years doing nothing! Vice Presidents are supposed to be involved in what the country wants and needs. Just like the president they both drew a paycheck for nothing. Her last minute promises meant nothing to anyone. All that middle class crap she preached people know what class they are in and being constantly reminded she came from a middle class family I mean who cares!!! Fix something! Make something in our country better! 4 years of nothing was enough. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugnutty Posted November 8, 2024 #210 Share Posted November 8, 2024 19 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said: The democrats didn't sack Joe Biden in January. That was their big mistake. They shoved a mentally incompetent elderly man down your throats until it was obvious he was mentally incompetent, and by the time they acted there was no time to replace him with anyone but the least popular VP in history, no consultation with the American public. As no one chose her, no one was energised to vote for her, I said that days, if not weeks, before the election, and was laughed at for the mere suggestion that she might not be that popular. The right lesson to learn is to get your ducks in a row in a timely fashion and not just wing it at the last minute. If the democrats had held a primary and chosen a candidate (literally anyone) in January this would not have happened. Even if Kamala Harris ended up winning (she probably wouldn't, but let's say she did) the fact that she had a primary debate to introduce herself and her policies to the American people might have been enough. Agree with all of this. Thanks. In fact was only discussing this point earlier today and concluded the succession should have started from day one recognising Biden was destined for a single term. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugnutty Posted November 8, 2024 #211 Share Posted November 8, 2024 7 minutes ago, Freez1 said: She spent the last 4 years doing nothing! Vice Presidents are supposed to be involved in what the country wants and needs. Just like the president they both drew a paycheck for nothing. Her last minute promises meant nothing to anyone. All that middle class crap she preached people know what class they are in and being constantly reminded she came from a middle class family I mean who cares!!! Fix something! Make something in our country better! 4 years of nothing was enough. Fair enough. I hope everyone holds the same expectation of Vance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claira Posted November 8, 2024 Author #212 Share Posted November 8, 2024 1 hour ago, DieChecker said: I was watching a YouTube video of a liberal ranting, and he said something like.... What the f#@$ good was Walz. He didn't even secure the votes of the state he was governor of... I know, right? Nice guy, but useless. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted November 8, 2024 #213 Share Posted November 8, 2024 (edited) With Biden's approval rating being the lowest in 75 years, there is 'not a thing' she would have changed about his term in office. A lot of people may not 'like' Trump but they weren't duped about any meaningful change coming from Harris. Edited November 8, 2024 by Only_ 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted November 8, 2024 #214 Share Posted November 8, 2024 1 hour ago, Razman said: No offense to anyone , but in my opinion, for people to say that trump did not do these things and the media made it up and everyone was out to get him is an insult to someone's intelligence. When looking at Trumps whole life in perspective , to me it is common sense that the things he's doing is same or similar crap he's been doing all his adult life pretty much and he continued to do it. The false election claims , different thing , but his teams and all sorts of angles checked it with a fine tooth comb , no evidence found . See the difference when Harris loses , Biden and Harris congratulate him , and give him support of a peaceful transition and move on. Thats integrity , to lose such an important thing , and act with grace. Trump , not at all , again in my opinion , he's been entitled and spoiled most of his life and with his giant narcissistic ego , could not stand to lose . From there we know what happened , so it's too long to get into. Of course , that is , until he wins this time, then we see no more fraud claims from him. He gets his way. People , even here have been running around saying he hasn't lied , that the media made it all up . Gimmee a break already. I wasn't born yesterday , i'm almost 60 now. Don't mean to rant here , but the Trump done no wrong thing , seem ridiculous to me. What many people have been claiming , to me it's the opposite , and obvious. A lot of the time Trump don't even try to hide it. I agree with some of what you say,I'm sure he's been a spoiled ass his whole life,I'm also sure he's gotten away with things normal people would pay dearly for... That said,I have no doubts the media have helped demonize some not so bad things he's done to the nth degree. I don't know,not really worth arguing over if I'm being honest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted November 8, 2024 #215 Share Posted November 8, 2024 11 minutes ago, Slugnutty said: Fair enough. I hope everyone holds the same expectation of Vance. I really don't know much about him,and thought he was a very underwhelming pick,that said after him and Walz's debate he came across as much more capable of if nothing more having a regular conversation than Kamala. I really do not understand how she got this far without being able to communicate clearly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Razman Posted November 8, 2024 #216 Share Posted November 8, 2024 (edited) 39 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said: I agree with some of what you say,I'm sure he's been a spoiled ass his whole life,I'm also sure he's gotten away with things normal people would pay dearly for... That said,I have no doubts the media have helped demonize some not so bad things he's done to the nth degree. I don't know,not really worth arguing over if I'm being honest. I get that , but they also did the same thing to Biden and Harris , i mean it's like every day there some media slinging stuff at them , and same thing with Trump to be fair. But the Trump done no wrong thing just is crazy to me, i mean this guy been pulling this type of **** probably most of his life, now when he does similar type stuff around the elections , all of a sudden he didn't do anything , it's a witch hunt , they out to get him. Thats what he screamed and screamed like an f'n brat , and all his supporters parroted it relentlessly , and so did the media. IMO all of the cases could have and should have been tried long before the elections, then maybe we could have all seen all the evidence to get a better understanding of all that happened, and if he indeed did nothing , him and his lawyers should be able to prove that in a court. But what happened , endless stall tactics and loopholes by his lawyers? Til his appointed SCOTUS buddies bailed him out of that later on and pretty much gave him a get off free card. Didn't Trump say that he could shoot someone and not lose any voters? Apparently with the general idea ( not shooting someone) , he was right. Edited November 8, 2024 by Razman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Razman Posted November 8, 2024 #217 Share Posted November 8, 2024 32 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said: I really don't know much about him,and thought he was a very underwhelming pick,that said after him and Walz's debate he came across as much more capable of if nothing more having a regular conversation than Kamala. I really do not understand how she got this far without being able to communicate clearly. I don't think Walz was a good pick , but i think it was the other things more that cost them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted November 8, 2024 #218 Share Posted November 8, 2024 3 minutes ago, Razman said: I don't think Walz was a good pick , but i think it was the other things more that cost them. I was just comparing what JD will do as VP compared to what Kamala possibly did with her time... Walz was a lame duck that never was. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted November 8, 2024 #219 Share Posted November 8, 2024 4 hours ago, F3SS said: Yea that was a joke about him working at McD's to becoming president 2 weeks later. I can't believe that needs spelled out for you. Ahh, I see. Jokes are supposed to be funny. That's where you lost me. 4 hours ago, F3SS said: It was all trumped up bullsht that nobody with an ounce of sensibility would be convinced of otherwise. Too bad, that's how it is. No, you're gullible. Raz just pointed out what I have many times. That criminal has been in court over 4,000 times, that's not a witch hunt, that's a criminal. 4 hours ago, F3SS said: You're wrong you tyrant. You cannot control speech if you cannot control who's in control of it. You'd have done well simping for a monarch or even a Hitler. You'll agree with anything authority demands of you. And your comprehension is challenged. What's it take? The poster didn't say anything about the validity of the information. The poster didn't say anything about challenging the information. The poster said outright lies and misinformation themselves are free speech. No caveats. What is so hard to understand about that? 4 hours ago, F3SS said: Yes I do. His Maralago loan case was the most ridiculous crap imaginable. Literally nothing went wrong in that loan deal and there were zero complaining parties, ntm the ludacrous fine levied against him for it. After which, governor Hochul, I believe her name is, had to make a public statement to New Yorkers to not worry about any of that hapoeneing to them if they run a business in New York, implying that this was only about getting Trump. His documents case and the rumors surrounding it were incredulous. And that batsht crazy woman with the eyes to match? Holy hell who could believe that story. She writes raunchy sex novels, told an unlikely story about him that seamed to be lifted straight out of its pages, perhaps even stole the story from an episode of law and order iirc, named her cat vagina and while recounting her tale to Anderson Cooper she told him most people think rape is sexy as he tries to sympathize with her and I seen that live and uncut when it happened. Most of which was all brought onto him by activist attorneys who ran entire campaigns on "get Trump". It's actually a bit hilarious that you think you know better than teams of lawyers, because you want to believe otherwise. That you think Trump needs your support and defence is also incredibly laughable. He is a modern day Ike Clanton and you are a modern day sucker. Raunchy sex novels? Why does that have your back up? All your criticisms are stupid rants. Opinions and nothing more. 4,000 times in court is an established pattern that puts your perspective in the bin. The looney bin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted November 8, 2024 #220 Share Posted November 8, 2024 On 11/6/2024 at 11:44 AM, Claira said: Yes, he said that Cheney should have guns 'trained on her face'. https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/01/trump-threaten-liz-cheney-shot/ Trump is an "inarticulate" speaker and it gives his enemies ammo to make him look very bad, indeed BUT... this line of his has been debunked multiple times, even by many on the Left. He was telling the simple truth about Cheney - she's a Neocon warmonger who would be far less likely to press for war if she was on the front lines in combat. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted November 8, 2024 #221 Share Posted November 8, 2024 Psyche, you're an embarrassment to yourself. Your incessant need to get the last word forces you to extrapolate inane observations from clear context and argue for the sake of arguing. You're hurt, we know it. 🥱 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted November 8, 2024 #222 Share Posted November 8, 2024 2 minutes ago, and-then said: https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/01/trump-threaten-liz-cheney-shot/ Trump is an "inarticulate" speaker and it gives his enemies ammo to make him look very bad, indeed BUT... this line of his has been debunked multiple times, even by many on the Left. He was telling the simple truth about Cheney - she's a Neocon warmonger who would be far less likely to press for war if she was on the front lines in combat. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted November 8, 2024 #223 Share Posted November 8, 2024 On 11/6/2024 at 8:58 PM, Alchopwn said: No, the reality is, America lost, and now we have a criminal back in power. And that bothers you? Then you ain't from Chicago. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted November 8, 2024 #224 Share Posted November 8, 2024 https://nypost.com/2024/11/07/us-news/black-men-explain-why-they-ditched-democrats-for-trump/ Another thing I said on here after his mugshot... He picked up "Street cred"...I remember people laughing about that, mostly older white people who probably didn't even know what that means,but it exists. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted November 8, 2024 #225 Share Posted November 8, 2024 2 hours ago, DieChecker said: You forgot Christian... When I wrote that, I was, in large part, being sarcastic. In the USA, about 75% of the population is "white". Just under 50% is male. Roughly 50% of whites have a college degree. And roughly 66% of the population is Christian. Children make up roughly 20% also. So statistically the white, uneducated male population is roughly 330 million x 0.75 x 0.5 x 0.5 x 0.8 = 50 million. That times 0.66 is 32 million Christian men. And given about 0.7 rate of adults are registered to vote. And about 0.7 of those actually vote. That comes out to 16 million. Did 16 million actually elect Trump? No. It was a community effort. Many, many woman, and blacks, and Latinos, and (gasp!) the Educated... Joined together and voted in their perceived best interests. This is where I get a lot of my American politics information from. If you skip to 17:50 and view from there, the statistics are labelled well. I couldn't find the bit I wanted so I have posted the whole episode. If you do end up watching it all, I would be interested in your opinion of it as an American. These guys don't expect much from the deportation threats. 2 hours ago, DieChecker said: The economic (perceived) hardships of the last four years just came to roost. Harris was too linked to Biden, and caught that anger. Many felt she never really explained how she'd turn things around. I think it was a whole bunch of things unfortunately. She came strong out the gate but lost steam. Voters wanting lower prices are in for a rude shock when the tarrifs hit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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