World leaders now have to deal with Trump as POTUS

[psyche101]

2 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

I don’t think Trump has any policies other than wanting to make woke people cry 😢 he has populist ideas bordering on paranoia 

 

Apparently he has a concept of a health plan. 

But....... yeah 

[Doc Socks Junior]

9 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

I have never had to live in a country where the incoming president has been a threat to democracy. As Joe Biden has never lived in such a country either I think the question is meaningless. There are dozens of things he COULD do IF he truly believed Trump was a threat. But he knows Trump isn't a threat. 

If we disagree, fine, I'm sharing what I believe to be true - if Biden believed Trump was a threat to democracy he'd be doing something about it right now! 

So what are some examples of the dozens of things that Joe Biden could do if he truly believed Trump was a threat?

9 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

 Cheap attack, I award you zero points and may God have mercy on your soul. 

It's a simple statement of reality. 

9 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Just to be clear about which belief you are alleging "disagree(s) with objective reality", we are discussing the belief that Trump is not a threat to democracy. As you believe this is going against "objective reality", the only way we can truly gauge this is to revisit this discussion in 4 years. If Trump hasn't taken steps to destroy democracy then the evidence will show that my beliefs are based in objective reality and it is in fact you who has strayed into the realm of fantasy. If Trump does try to be a dictator or any other thing that destroys democracy then the evidence will be there. 

Arguing about it now is pointless, we'll chat again in 4 years  

Well, not quite. We're discussing your belief that Biden was lying, based on nothing more than your being convinced that he should be doing something differently if he was being truthful. You haven't told anyone what actions he should take differently. 

We've already got evidence that Trump's actions are a threat to democracy. He tried to overturn election results he did not like. If Biden laid out a plan to obtain a different election result with slates of fake electors, he'd also be a threat to democracy. So, uh, there's your evidence. I realize objective reality isn't your strong suit, given that the evidence has been in place for 4 years already, but it's okay. I already knew that.

[Unusual Tournament]

1 minute ago, psyche101 said:

 

Apparently he has a concept of a health plan. 

But....... yeah 

Not many details about that health plan, and I doubt he’ll do anything other than pull apart the old plan. The man is all about revenge. It really isn’t a mystery on which direction he’s gonna go in

[+Link of Hyrule]

5 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Yes that's the conspiracy theory that you are attempting to start.

It's incredibly silly because Biden has acted democratically. It's a statement to respect of democracy. 

No. He would not act differently. Seventy five million say otherwise. He must respect the people. That's what he has done despite his beliefs. That's his job. What someone who doesn't respect democracy does is call a stolen election, rile stupid people up and riot on the Capitol. That's not democracy. See the difference?

That's what a good loser looks like. Again, not common amongst the conservatives and unheard of in Maga. It's a good example for you to learn from. Democracy in action. Weird to see a politician act with grace but here we are. 

Biden DOES NOT BELIEVE what he said. If you believe differently and think Biden does believe that Trump is a danger to democracy, more power to you. That's ok, you can believe that. I'm not stopping you from holding that belief. My comment was designed to get across the fact that I believe he's lying about Trump being a threat to democracy. Simple as that. We can keep arguing my opinion, or we can move on, it's up to you  

[+Link of Hyrule]

29 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

So what are some examples of the dozens of things that Joe Biden could do if he truly believed Trump was a threat?

Potential speech options (though I'm just trying to find fancy ways of phrasing the same core fact, while still committing to a peaceful transfer of power): 

1 - "I warned you, I hope what I believe and have been saying for months doesn't come to pass, but I respect the wishes of the majority and congratulate President Trump".

2 - "Congratulations to President Trump, I remain deeply concerned about the direction he has proposed for our country, particularly the threats to our democracy that I have consistently raised during my campaign. I hope I'm wrong, but the challenges we face demand vigilance and unity".

3 - "I congratulate Donald Trump, there must be a peaceful transition of power, and we must remain vigilant in protecting our democratic institutions and values, and hold our leaders accountable to the Constitution and the rule of law".” 

4 - "I have always said that democracy is not a given, and I am committed to a peaceful transfer of power, and together as a country we can get past the threat that President Trump poses to our democracy".

They're all basically variations on a theme, and any would have been better than the tripe that Joe Biden actually served up. 

 

29 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

It's a simple statement of reality.

Incorrect. 

 

29 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

Well, not quite. We're discussing your belief that Biden was lying, based on nothing more than your being convinced that he should be doing something differently if he was being truthful. You haven't told anyone what actions he should take differently. 

We've already got evidence that Trump's actions are a threat to democracy. He tried to overturn election results he did not like. If Biden laid out a plan to obtain a different election result with slates of fake electors, he'd also be a threat to democracy. So, uh, there's your evidence. I realize objective reality isn't your strong suit, given that the evidence has been in place for 4 years already, but it's okay. I already knew that.

Biden was lying, if you don't believe that then that's ok, we can agree to disagree (or are you one of those that paints "agreeing to disagree" as "running away because you lost" [if it's the latter, then I don't agree to disagree and we can keep arguing in circles until the cows come home, but I'll leave that up to you]). 

Edited November 10, 2024 by Link of Hyrule

[Tatetopa]

38 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

The only "conspiracy" I'm starting is the claim that Biden doesn't truly believe Trump is a threat to democracy. If he did he would objectively be acting differently to how he is. And quite frankly, this "conspiracy" isn't exactly controversial. 

Well maybe he is angry and figures we get what we deserve. He did warn us, now its our own fault. 

But you know maybe you are right.  If he had called on Seal Team 6 to handle it, it would have been under presidential immunity and according to the Supreme Court, not a threat to democracy at all. I would have been a little uncomfortable with it personally, but that is just me, and I am not presidential timber.

[Doc Socks Junior]

4 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Potential speech options (though I'm just trying to find fancy ways of phrasing the same core fact, while still committing to a peaceful transfer of power): 

1 - "I warned you, I hope what I believe and have been saying for months doesn't come to pass, but I respect the wishes of the majority and congratulate President Trump".

2 - "Congratulations to President Trump, I remain deeply concerned about the direction he has proposed for our country, particularly the threats to our democracy that I have consistently raised during my campaign. I hope I'm wrong, but the challenges we face demand vigilance and unity".

3 - "I congratulate Donald Trump, there must be a peaceful transition of power, and we must remain vigilant in protecting our democratic institutions and values, and hold our leaders accountable to the Constitution and the rule of law".” 

4 - "I have always said that democracy is not a given, and I am committed to a peaceful transfer of power, and together as a country we can get past the threat that President Trump poses to our democracy".

They're all basically variations on a theme, and any would have been better than the tripe that Joe Biden actually served up. 

Ah, so if he gave a "better" speech, that would have convinced you? That's the extent of the action he would have needed to take?

If one actually listened to Joe's speech (and not simply one's favorite YouTuber taunting it), one might have noticed that he said "You know, the struggle for the soul of America since our very founding has always been an ongoing debate and still vital today." which references his 2022 speech and addresses the core fact of the threat to democracy from extremism.

4 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Incorrect. 

And yet, one of your pet YouTubers positing this train of thought coincides with your trumpeting it loudly.

It's fine, chief, you just should be honest about when you're using your own brain, and when you're using a YouTuber's brain to pass through ideas.

4 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Biden was lying, if you don't believe that then that's ok, we can agree to disagree (or are you one of those that paints "agreeing to disagree" as "running away because you lost" (if it's the latter, then I don't agree to disagree and we can keep arguing in circles until the cows come home, but I'll leave that up to you). 

I understand that you're required to stand by your YouTubers, and that you're perfectly willing to keep repeating their fantasies as your reality. As there is no objective reason to believe Joe Biden is lying in this case, I'm happy enough that this particular angle has been illustrated incorrect.

[+Razman]

40 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Biden DOES NOT BELIEVE what he said. If you believe differently and think Biden does believe that Trump is a danger to democracy, more power to you. That's ok, you can believe that. I'm not stopping you from holding that belief. My comment was designed to get across the fact that I believe he's lying about Trump being a threat to democracy. Simple as that. We can keep arguing my opinion, or we can move on, it's up to you  

I don't get your point. I mean what are you saying , Biden should throw Trump in prison and try to steal the election or something? And that will prove he believed Trump was a threat to democracy? Does it bother you to see Biden and Harris doing the right thing and congratulating Trump and helping a peaceful transfer of power and shows Biden and Harris could properly let go of the power when it is time. When Trump simply could not accept and do it.  Biden is simply respecting the loss and the will of people/voters regardless of what he believes. Something Trump did not do.

Edited November 10, 2024 by Razman

[+Link of Hyrule]

22 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

Ah, so if he gave a "better" speech, that would have convinced you? That's the extent of the action he would have needed to take?

If one actually listened to Joe's speech (and not simply one's favorite YouTuber taunting it), one might have noticed that he said "You know, the struggle for the soul of America since our very founding has always been an ongoing debate and still vital today." which references his 2022 speech and addresses the core fact of the threat to democracy from extremism.

You bring up YouTube a lot in this post  

A better speech would be at the very least a bare minimum (at the VERY LEAST) I would expect from someone who believed Trump was a danger to democracy. He could have outright said "if you want the ability to vote in 2028, fight for your rights every step of the way, don't let Trump bully you, don't let him pass legislation, protest at every turn and ensure that in 4 years time you still have a country to vote in". The quote you did cite doesn't highlight the danger Trump allegedly poses, nowhere near.

You're being disingenuous if you cannot think of a single thing Biden could have done to have expressed his views on Trump being an existential threat to democracy. 

 

22 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

And yet, one of your pet YouTubers positing this train of thought coincides with your trumpeting it loudly.

It's fine, chief, you just should be honest about when you're using your own brain, and when you're using a YouTuber's brain to pass through ideas.

Which YouTuber did I watch? As far as I know I haven't watched any YouTuber analyse Biden's speech. Do you have access to my YouTube Watch History in order to arrive at this conclusion? Even if I did watch such a YouTube video (as far as I know I didn't) the conclusions I draw from them are my own. 

As such I will go back and repeat my comment from the last post and address it to you once again:

"Incorrect"

 

22 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

I understand that you're required to stand by your YouTubers, and that you're perfectly willing to keep repeating their fantasies as your reality. As there is no objective reason to believe Joe Biden is lying in this case, I'm happy enough that this particular angle has been illustrated incorrect.

Oh, you're still talking about YouTube      

Joe Biden is lying, if you disagree I'm happy to agree to disagree (provided you don't try to twist that into me losing the debate). There's nothing more to say on that. 

Edited November 10, 2024 by Link of Hyrule

[psyche101]

3 hours ago, Razman said:

I don't get your point. I mean what are you saying , Biden should throw Trump in prison and try to steal the election or something? And that will prove he believed Trump was a threat to democracy? Does it bother you to see Biden and Harris doing the right thing and congratulating Trump and helping a peaceful transfer of power and shows Biden and Harris could properly let go of the power when it is time. When Trump simply could not accept and do it.  Biden is simply respecting the loss and the will of people/voters regardless of what he believes. Something Trump did not do.

I read it like that too. Without a repeat of Jan six PA link can't fathom any other way 

Sad to be Maga isn't it. 

Trump lost in 2020. I don't like presidents that lose, loser president SAD!!!!!!!!

[psyche101]

4 hours ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Biden DOES NOT BELIEVE what he said. If you believe differently and think Biden does believe that Trump is a danger to democracy, more power to you. That's ok, you can believe that. I'm not stopping you from holding that belief. My comment was designed to get across the fact that I believe he's lying about Trump being a threat to democracy. Simple as that. We can keep arguing my opinion, or we can move on, it's up to you  

Belief?

That's what you call not buying into a wacky conspiracy theory that doesn't fit facts and is just plain dumb? 

Ok then. You do you 

[psyche101]

4 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Not many details about that health plan, and I doubt he’ll do anything other than pull apart the old plan. The man is all about revenge. It really isn’t a mystery on which direction he’s gonna go in

RFK is going to be involved. 

It's a greater farce than I ever could have expected in that regard. 

RFK is a joke and his diminished mental capacity makes him a genuine threat to the nation as involved in health 

Already this corrupt party are doing absolutely stupid things. 

[Unusual Tournament]

17 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

RFK is going to be involved. 

It's a greater farce than I ever could have expected in that regard. 

RFK is a joke and his diminished mental capacity makes him a genuine threat to the nation as involved in health 

Already this corrupt party are doing absolutely stupid things. 

RFK is as wacky as they come. He’ll mandate removing fluoride from the water and prescribe vitamins for COVID. A total nut job 

[+Razman]

2 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

RFK is as wacky as they come. He’ll mandate removing fluoride from the water and prescribe vitamins for COVID. A total nut job 

Yea i wonder if they would actually bring him into the administration, or if they were just using him and will just toss him aside.

[Unusual Tournament]

3 minutes ago, Razman said:

Yea i wonder if they would actually bring him into the administration, or if they were just using him and will just toss him aside.

Don’t really know mate. It’s like this new administration is made up of B grade actors that can’t act in a block buster movie. 🎥 

[+Link of Hyrule]

27 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Belief?

That's what you call not buying into a wacky conspiracy theory that doesn't fit facts and is just plain dumb? 

Ok then. You do you 

 The view that a politician like Joe Biden lied in order to gain isn't what I would call a "wacky conspiracy theory".

If that's you,  then you do you too 

[+Razman]

10 minutes ago, Razman said:

Yea i wonder if they would actually bring him into the administration, or if they were just using him and will just toss him aside.

Like he did with Haley, i bet she don't likes it too much.

Nikki Haley responds after Trump says she won't be part of new cabinet, says she wishes him 'great success'

[+Razman]

1 hour ago, Razman said:

Like he did with Haley, i bet she don't likes it too much.

Nikki Haley responds after Trump says she won't be part of new cabinet, says she wishes him 'great success'

Used and tossed aside like a dirty napkin.

[psyche101]

3 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

RFK is as wacky as they come. He’ll mandate removing fluoride from the water and prescribe vitamins for COVID. A total nut job 

I wonder if the AMA can challenge his decision? 

They would certainly have grounds to do so. 

[psyche101]

3 hours ago, Link of Hyrule said:

 The view that a politician like Joe Biden lied in order to gain isn't what I would call a "wacky conspiracy theory".

If that's you,  then you do you too 

Unevidenced illogical wacky conspiracy theory. 

Several have read your post as Biden should have done his own Jan six, and that appears to be indeed what you are saying. And that's beyond stupid and irresponsible. 

[psyche101]

3 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Don’t really know mate. It’s like this new administration is made up of B grade actors that can’t act in a block buster movie. 🎥 

Or......

 

[+Link of Hyrule]

46 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Unevidenced illogical wacky conspiracy theory. 

Several have read your post as Biden should have done his own Jan six, and that appears to be indeed what you are saying. And that's beyond stupid and irresponsible. 

While his own version of January 6 is one option, it wouldn't have been my first suggestion, or even fifth or sixth or tenth. My initial post (post #10) explicitly pointed to  "political rhetoric" and "lies" and suggests Biden doesn't believe his blabber, and I go back to that point several times (eg, post #41, #55 and #67),  so i don't know why folks think violence is the only logical option. But even if they did think that, every post that has interpreted my comments in a violent way or asked me for suggestions has been swiftly challenged and explicitly countered with obvious non-violent alternatives as well as declaring that Biden is doing the right thing by facilitating a peaceful transfer of power (see posts #23, #24, #34, #47, #56, #60). 

If folks are misunderstanding my posts it's therefore almost certainly intentional, and anyone reading along can see the (il)logic required to frame my words as violence.

Edited November 10, 2024 by Link of Hyrule

[Golden Duck]

4 hours ago, Razman said:

Yea i wonder if they would actually bring him into the administration, or if they were just using him and will just toss him aside.

It's speculated he is in line for the Health and Human Services Department

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

5 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

It's speculated he is in line for the Health and Human Services Department

On a poster with the headline “take your meds folks, or this could be you!” by any chance?

[Unusual Tournament]

1 hour ago, psyche101 said:

I wonder if the AMA can challenge his decision? 

They would certainly have grounds to do so. 

Really don’t know that much about it. All it seems like the least qualified people are going to be in powerful positions