World leaders now have to deal with Trump as POTUS

[+Razman]

Brazil's first lady Janja Lula da Silva insults Elon Musk at international summit

A ship's horn sounded as she spoke and she joked, "I think it's Elon Musk," before adding, "I'm not afraid of you," and using an expletive in reference to him.

Musk's social messaging network was suspended in Brazil for a month this year for failing to name a legal representative in the country and ignoring court orders to block accounts accused of spreading "fake news" and hate messages.

[Tatetopa]

On 11/10/2024 at 11:11 AM, DieChecker said:

I wonder if it is actual fear of Mr Chaos Dictator, or part of an partnership? Many say Putin owns Trump, but might it now be the other way around?

With respect, I say probably not.  Forget about the size of Russia and the US for a moment and consider the leaders.  I don't think Putin is a genius, but he promotes himself as a macho man, with shirtless horseback rides, judo, and outdoorsy photos. He has unitary executive control of Russia. Trump doesn't have that yet, although he seems desperately to want total Control of Congress with no opposition or backtalk, control of the Judiciary and the military.  He is not going to be  a president limited by the checks and balances of the Constitution. 

But, does he  have the years and energy left to fully make himself a Putin style unitary executive?   I will be accused of TDS, but IMO, Trump is not smart and too lazy to be curious or learn new things.  Its so much easier to do the weave and tell people he knows more about everything than anybody, and promise the masses bread and circuses.  No doubt Putin hopes to gain something for Russia from Trump.  But if nothing is forthcoming, he can still sit back and watch the US financial and technical power slowly evaporate over the next four years. That in itself is a pretty big prize for Putin and Xi and Kim.

[+DieChecker]

@psyche101

Tariff article.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-treasury-tariffs-cabinet-bessent-lutnick-99db930ea0516673c96f8b524af975f2

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President-elect Donald Trump’s decision on a treasury secretary is about far more than whose name will be printed on America’s money.

The choice of how to fill his highest-profile outstanding Cabinet selection will be the clearest indication yet of how he intends to wield import tariffs in his new administration.

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The Republican has proposed universal tariffs of as much as 20% and taxing Chinese imports at 60% or more, yet his campaign never filled in key details about how tariffs would be imposed and whether the goal was more about funding the government or pressing trade partners.

The two are competing priorities — achieving sustainable long term revenues from tariffs isn’t possible if they’re a negotiating tool, and sustaining them for the long term could constrain the growth Trump has promised to bring to the country.

Won't have promised growth, if too much tariffs are placed on trade partners.

As a negotiating tool, Trump has done that before.

Time, and the Treasury pick, will tell.

[+DieChecker]

On 11/17/2024 at 3:58 PM, Tatetopa said:

With respect, I say probably not.  Forget about the size of Russia and the US for a moment and consider the leaders.  I don't think Putin is a genius, but he promotes himself as a macho man, with shirtless horseback rides, judo, and outdoorsy photos. He has unitary executive control of Russia. Trump doesn't have that yet, although he seems desperately to want total Control of Congress with no opposition or backtalk, control of the Judiciary and the military.  He is not going to be  a president limited by the checks and balances of the Constitution. 

But, does he  have the years and energy left to fully make himself a Putin style unitary executive?   I will be accused of TDS, but IMO, Trump is not smart and too lazy to be curious or learn new things.  Its so much easier to do the weave and tell people he knows more about everything than anybody, and promise the masses bread and circuses.  No doubt Putin hopes to gain something for Russia from Trump.  But if nothing is forthcoming, he can still sit back and watch the US financial and technical power slowly evaporate over the next four years. That in itself is a pretty big prize for Putin and Xi and Kim.

I was thinking of more if Putin controls Trump, if he forces Trump to pull aid from Ukraine. And pressuring EU, and Ukraine, to accept ceding lost land.

And if Trump owns Putin now, if Putin pulls out of Ukraine in January. With no land gains. Biden is still feeding into this one. Giving Ukraine the OK to use US delivered long range missiles on Russian territory targets.

Doubtless if Russia does back out, Biden will try to take credit. Too little too late IMHO. Lame Duck has got nothing to lose at this point, so why not...

Edited November 18, 2024 by DieChecker

[psyche101]

11 hours ago, DieChecker said:

@psyche101

Tariff article.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-treasury-tariffs-cabinet-bessent-lutnick-99db930ea0516673c96f8b524af975f2

11 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Won't have promised growth, if too much tariffs are placed on trade partners.

Also the trade war that is likely to result, that going to be another hurdle again. Countries won't take it easy, there will be repercussions. 

11 hours ago, DieChecker said:

As a negotiating tool, Trump has done that before.

The washing machine thing, it cost taxpayers too. 

11 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Time, and the Treasury pick, will tell.

I'm not sure, Trump will pick yes men and he doesn't need congress to approve anything. Because it's a clean run with little to no opposition, I think it's also very likely. 

[+Razman]

So i wonder how the Canadians feel about Trump these days. -----------------------

'USA is a threat': Canadians slam 'bully' Trump’s 'arrogant' mockery of 'Governor Trudeau'

It was a pleasure to have dinner the other night with Governor Justin Trudeau of the Great State of Canada,” Trump wrote on his Truth Social website at 12:06 AM Tuesday.

During their Mar-a-Lago meeting, Trump reportedly mocked Trudeau to his face with his “51st state” trolling, according to Fox News.

Trump’s midnight move followed Prime Minister Trudeau saying on Monday that Americans “are beginning to wake up to the real reality that tariffs on everything from Canada would make life a lot more expensive,” The Associated Press reported. Trudeau also threatened to retaliate.

Trudeau warned that Trump’s tariffs would “mean real hardship for Americans,” who “import 65% of their crude oil from Canada, [and] significant amounts of electricity. Just about all the natural gas exported from Canada goes to the United States. They rely on us for steel and aluminum. They rely on us for a range of agriculture imports. All of those things would get more expensive.”

Former Cabinet Minister and Deputy Premier of Alberta, Canada, Thomas Lukaszuk added, “Referring to Canada as US state and to our Prime Minister as Governor must concern us all. This arogant passive aggressive language shows Trump has no respect for Canada’s sovereignty and the integrity of our borders. Such language is dangerous and can’t be tolerated.”

Canadian journalist Geoffrey Johnston slammed “ignorant bully” Trump, writing, “Canada will never join USA. Time for Canadians to stop thinking of USA as a friend. Under Trump, USA is a threat to Canada’s economy & sovereignty. Most Canadians prefer our cooperative ways to American private medicine, gun violence, & imperialism.”

Edited December 11, 2024 by Razman

[Cho Jinn]

10 minutes ago, Razman said:

Canada will never join USA

I wonder if it ever occurred to him how ridiculous it is to make such a statement.  A person whose function is simply to tell other people what he thinks, a spectator at the ball game of life.  If you can't do, watch?

[+Razman]

2 minutes ago, Cho Jinn said:

I wonder if it ever occurred to him how ridiculous it is to make such a statement.  A person whose function is simply to tell other people what he thinks, a spectator at the ball game of life.  If you can't do, watch?

The point of it all is the way Trump is quickly sowing division and strife with the northern neighbor , just like he did in the US.

[Cho Jinn]

37 minutes ago, Razman said:

The point of it all is the way Trump is quickly sowing division and strife with the northern neighbor , just like he did in the US.

He certainly was not elected, and in the fashion he was elected, to maintain the status quo.  The strife is possessed by people who can't control him, and those same people are happy to divide their respective polities.  Most are preoccupied with trying to get by.

[Tatetopa]

On 11/18/2024 at 2:05 PM, DieChecker said:

I was thinking of more if Putin controls Trump, if he forces Trump to pull aid from Ukraine. And pressuring EU, and Ukraine, to accept ceding lost land.

And if Trump owns Putin now, if Putin pulls out of Ukraine in January. With no land gains. Biden is still feeding into this one. Giving Ukraine the OK to use US delivered long range missiles on Russian territory targets.

Doubtless if Russia does back out, Biden will try to take credit. Too little too late IMHO. Lame Duck has got nothing to lose at this point, so why not...

No matter what Donald Trump does, Biden gave Ukraine permission to unload on military targets for a couple of months.  Which means all the EU missiles too.  If they have 50, they might be able to hit a  dozen or more targets.  Russia has already lost a tremendous amount of manpower and treasure. If the Ukrainians can continue to resist, the Russian invasion will be beaten.

I think Biden is beyond credit now.  I believe Trump has a genius for reading a sign of weakness.  If he sees it in Putin, he will press for advantage and gain a dominant position in the relationship.   If Putin is insulting him or disrespecting him,  Trump will stomp down hard.

[Unusual Tournament]

6 hours ago, Razman said:

The point of it all is the way Trump is quickly sowing division and strife with the northern neighbor , just like he did in the US.

Trump is certainly the experienced troll these days. Still it was funny (not for the Canadians, thou).

[+Razman]

7 hours ago, Cho Jinn said:

He certainly was not elected, and in the fashion he was elected, to maintain the status quo.  The strife is possessed by people who can't control him, and those same people are happy to divide their respective polities.  Most are preoccupied with trying to get by.

What?????

[+Razman]

Yea , they seem really happy up there in the north land these days.

Ontario premier threatens to cut off energy supply to US

[psyche101]

14 hours ago, Razman said:

Yea , they seem really happy up there in the north land these days.

Ontario premier threatens to cut off energy supply to US

Last time he divided America 

This time it looks like he going for the whole world. 

[+Razman]

3 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Last time he divided America 

This time it looks like he going for the whole world. 

Yep , startin with the neighbors.

[psyche101]

1 minute ago, Razman said:

Yep , startin with the neighbors.

It's not going to stop there. The day Trump starts his term is going to be interesting to say the least. I don't see a bright future for America over the next four years. 

[AZDZ]

Isn't he all bluff and bluster, promising the biggest goals whenever an audience is hypnotized by his hands moving but really never does the worst of what he says he'll do. P. T. Barnum would be amazed by how Trump has honed his craft of controlling people. 

 

[+Razman]

This dude is trying to threaten his way through everything lately , what's he gonna do , get us into a war in the middle east too? People get tired of being threatened pretty quick in general. Hell it worked for him in the election so who knows.

President-elect Donald Trump is issuing an ultimatum for Hamas, saying that if hostages aren't released before his inauguration in two weeks, "all hell will break out."

"If they're not back by the time I get into office, all hell will break out in the Middle East, and it will not be good for Hamas, and it will not be good, frankly, for anyone," Trump said during a Tuesday press conference.

[+DieChecker]

Looks like at least Trudeau won't have to deal with Trump.

Seems even Canada is moving Right, and moving to reduce immigration. 

I hope the various celebrities can move before they close the door.