Looks like the lines will be drawn over the deportation of illegals

[+and-then]

We also had a large demonstration (peaceful) in NYC against the removal of illegals.  I think this is where the Left will make its stand.

[Agent0range]

Is this a video of like 8 people in a park?  What did you say would happen if Trump won?  Is this it?  Bro, you're old, and not smart.  You were supposed to leave this forum.  This might be the dumbest post ever.

[+and-then]

 

17 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

This might be the dumbest post ever.

Nah, I'm sure I've had MANY posts that were dumber.  On THIS issue, I think you'll be found to be full of S$# t.  

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

“The people, United will never be dfested..” I think the people, United voted recently ….

[Unusual Tournament]

35 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

Is this a video of like 8 people in a park?  What did you say would happen if Trump won?  Is this it?  Bro, you're old, and not smart.  You were supposed to leave this forum.  This might be the dumbest post ever.

Look I wasn’t prepared to say it but the mind boggles how Trump and supporters think playing checkers instead of chess is a “genius “ move. 

[+and-then]

30 minutes ago, and-then said:

 

Nah, I'm sure I've had MANY posts that were dumber.  On THIS issue, I think you'll be found to be full of S$# t.  

UT, that was what is known as self-deprecating humor.  At this place, anyone who can't laugh at themselves occasionally, is likely to blow a gasket  

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[Unusual Tournament]

2 minutes ago, and-then said:

UT, that was what is known as self-depracating humor.  At this place, anyone who can't laugh at themselves occasionally, is likely to blow a gasket  

Could have fooled me 🤪

[Unusual Tournament]

Lines drawn - phew how dramatic. Trump can’t use the army and constitutionally has to walk a tight rope

 

[Edumakated]

I think the Administration will work to make sure violent and habitual criminals are deported.  

Second, they will start going after employers.   By making it harder to work and earn a living, you remove to incentives to come here illegally.  People will self deport.

Third, they will start taxing the heck out of wire transfers back to Mexico.

I also wouldn't be surprised if there is a challenge to the interpretation of the 14th amendment as it pertains to birth right citizenship.  This was put in place to ensure slaves were considered US citizens.  The intent is not so we can have birth tourism and illegals dropping babies across our borders.

There is no need to round up illegals.  Just close loopholes and make it harder to be an illegal so they self deport.  At some point, there will probably also be a move to make those here citizens but that shouldnt' occur until border is secure.

[Tatetopa]

10 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

I think the Administration will work to make sure violent and habitual criminals are deported.  

Second, they will start going after employers.   By making it harder to work and earn a living, you remove to incentives to come here illegally.  People will self deport.

Third, they will start taxing the heck out of wire transfers back to Mexico.

I also wouldn't be surprised if there is a challenge to the interpretation of the 14th amendment as it pertains to birth right citizenship.  This was put in place to ensure slaves were considered US citizens.  The intent is not so we can have birth tourism and illegals dropping babies across our borders.

There is no need to round up illegals.  Just close loopholes and make it harder to be an illegal so they self deport.  At some point, there will probably also be a move to make those here citizens but that shouldnt' occur until border is secure.

What are you saying?  ICE has always gone after criminals first.  Get tough on employers?  That is what we have been saying for a decade. That will not be enough to satisfy the base will it?   How will that protect Mamaw from all the rapists and criminals, millions of them trying to break into her house at night? . How can you even walk down a city street when MS13 has it under control with weapons more advanced than the military? Self Deport?  What kind of weenie response is that? 

Don't tell me you are advocating Trump give up on one of the two main promises that got him elected?  Are you caving into resistance from the left already? A few Antifa with nothing to do has caused MAGA to tremble?  

[Will Due]

8 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Don't tell me you are advocating Trump give up on one of the two main promises that got him elected?  

 

None of his promises got him elected.

The lies told about him is what got him elected.

 

 

[Katniss]

2 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

None of his promises got him elected.

The lies told about him is what got him elected.

 

 

I don't agree. It was the border issues and inflation or the economy that got Trump elected. Everybody remembers inflation not being as high with Trump in office, at least in his first two years. It's always about money and not moral issues in politics and how most voters feel about their pocketbooks.

[Will Due]

1 minute ago, Katniss said:

I don't agree. It was the border issues and inflation or the economy that got Trump elected. Everybody remembers inflation not being as high with Trump in office, at least in his first two years. It's always about money and not moral issues in politics and how most voters feel about their pocketbooks.

 

Okay, but it's the moral issues in politics, or the lack thereof that end up affecting people's pocketbooks much more than anything else.

 

 

[Katniss]

4 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Okay, but it's the moral issues in politics, or the lack thereof that end up affecting people's pocketbooks much more than anything else.

 

 

Interesting. Um I can almost see your point, eh I think, but I need you to clarify or give examples as to what you mean exactly. What lack of moral issues affected our pocketbooks or even relate to that? Because other politicians lying or even telling the truth about Trump is not one of them. Nobody cares about that, we care about our money, our stocks, our portfolios, our paychecks, and our small business. 

[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

None of his promises got him elected.

The lies told about him is what got him elected.

 

 

Will, didn't just about everybody including some Democrats want a strong border and a solution to the immigrant problem?

Aren't consumers all concerned with high prices and the cost of groceries and fuel?

Do you really think people having trouble buying milk care whether Trump cheated on all of his wives or not?

Trump said he could fix those things, and enough people  believed him.

 

[Will Due]

3 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Will, didn't just about everybody including some Democrats want a strong border and a solution to the immigrant problem?

Aren't consumers all concerned with high prices and the cost of groceries and fuel?

Do you really think people having trouble buying milk care whether Trump cheated on all of his wives or not?

Trump said he could fix those things, and enough people  believed him.

 

 

Tate, it's much more than that.

 

 

[+and-then]

2 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

None of his promises got him elected.

The lies told about him is what got him elected.

 

 

They still don't get it, bless'em .   They really do seem to be so brainwashed about the nature of his support that it will forever remain a mystery.  Even now, after watching his support grow in real time and along a line that matches the legal attacks against him, they STILL can't grasp that the lawfare was seen as bullying and illegitimate by most of their neighbors.  

Just like in 2016, they created their own defeat.  If I had to pick a single moment to point to as the moment he won, it would be on that stage in Butler, PA when the SS finally surrounded him and he stuck his fist in the air.  He didn't show fear, he showed ANGER at what was happening.  No doubt they'll keep doubling down with trying lawfare and ginning up one scandal after another but all it will accomplish is to turn more of the rational citizens against them.

The House is still up for grabs and most of the uncounted races are on the west coast, IIRC.  If they win the House, Raskin has already promised Impeachment number 3. He just won the EC with 312 votes.  It's just idiocy and pure spite at this point.

[Will Due]

5 minutes ago, and-then said:

They still don't get it, bless'em .   They really do seem to be so brainwashed about the nature of his support that it will forever remain a mystery.  

 

I believe you're right. Because the nature of his support above anything else, is of a spiritual nature.

 

 

[Will Due]

25 minutes ago, Katniss said:

Interesting. Um I can almost see your point, eh I think, but I need you to clarify or give examples as to what you mean exactly. What lack of moral issues affected our pocketbooks or even relate to that? Because other politicians lying or even telling the truth about Trump is not one of them. Nobody cares about that, we care about our money, our stocks, our portfolios, our paychecks, and our small business. 

 

Well, you might care more about your money than your country, but I doubt that those who sacrificed their lives during the American revolution thought about it like you do.

 

 

[Katniss]

11 minutes ago, and-then said:

They still don't get it, bless'em .   They really do seem to be so brainwashed about the nature of his support that it will forever remain a mystery.  Even now, after watching his support grow in real time and along a line that matches the legal attacks against him, they STILL can't grasp that the lawfare was seen as bullying and illegitimate by most of their neighbors.  

Just like in 2016, they created their own defeat.  If I had to pick a single moment to point to as the moment he won, it would be on that stage in Butler, PA when the SS finally surrounded him and he stuck his fist in the air.  He didn't show fear, he showed ANGER at what was happening.  No doubt they'll keep doubling down with trying lawfare and ginning up one scandal after another but all it will accomplish is to turn more of the rational citizens against them.

The House is still up for grabs and most of the uncounted races are on the west coast, IIRC.  If they win the House, Raskin has already promised Impeachment number 3. He just won the EC with 312 votes.  It's just idiocy and pure spite at this point.

Well, my purse disagrees with you Mr. And-then. 😆 While the assassination attempts did bother me, it was more about my money and not spiritual. You and Will should realize that there those of out there that worry more about our money then moral or spiritual issues.  That said, I hope no one tries to make another attempt on his life again. As Will once said here on UM, "Give him a chance.'

[Katniss]

3 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Well, you might care more about your money than your country, but I doubt that those who sacrificed their lives during the American revolution thought about it like you do.

 

 

Who cares, they're all ancient history. I'm just keeping it real, Will.  You got to think like Trump, be the Trump. Breath in - sigh - breath out - Trrruuuuuuuump. 😆

And then it's - make more money, make more money, make more money. It's really all about our livelihoods and how well we all prosper. That's the way it is.

And you still didn't answer. Seriously, what lack of moral issues affected our pocketbooks or even relate to that? 

[Will Due]

5 minutes ago, Katniss said:

what lack of moral issues affected our pocketbooks or even relate to that? 

 

As a politician, the lack of the moral issue of always doing the right thing, even when it didn't serve the politician monetarily, is a major factor in how and why our pocketbooks have been affected negatively.

Do you really not understand how this all works?

 

 

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[Katniss]

10 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

As a politician, the lack of the moral issue of always doing the right thing, even when it didn't serve the politician monetarily, is a major factor in how and why our pocketbooks have been affected negatively.

Do you really not understand how this all works?

 

 

Well apparently, not with the way you are trying to explain it. If you mean when a politician lies about how well the economy is doing under their leadership, when it's not, and we are still finically suffering, then yes. I can see that. They lied and are morally wrong for that. But I don't see how immoral lies about any politician has got anything to do with my paycheck, Will. 

[Will Due]

18 minutes ago, Katniss said:

Well apparently, not with the way you are trying to explain it. If you mean when a politician lies about how well the economy is doing under their leadership, when it's not, and we are still finically suffering, then yes. I can see that. They lied and are morally wrong for that. But I don't see how immoral lies about any politician has got anything to do with my paycheck, Will. 

 

I'm not sure which one of the founding fathers said it, but they said that the system of governance codified in the Constitution would only work if those elected to office were moral persons. Moral being, never knowingly doing the wrong thing and always no matter what the circumstance, doing the right thing. 

I don't know about you, but it seems that the history of our country and the history of the men and women who have functioned in governance have most of the time been of low moral standing. 

The laws of this country do not allow for the unprecedented influx of millions of unvetted migrants at our Southern border. Yet, the politicians who were in charge the last 4 years did an immoral thing by not upholding the law. 

Ask any person who lives in a sanctuary City if the diversion of taxpayer provided funds for other things to take care of these migrants and the inflation it caused has impacted their pocketbooks.

 

 

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[Katniss]

5 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

I'm not sure which one of the founding fathers said it, but they said that the system of governance codified in the Constitution would only work if those elected to office were moral persons. Moral being, never knowingly doing the wrong thing and always no matter what the circumstance, doing the right thing. 

I don't know about you, but it seems that the history of our country and the history of the men and women who have functioned in governance have most of the time been of low moral standing. 

Agree. That has always been the case. 

 

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The laws of this country do not allow for the unprecedented influx of millions of unvetted migrants at our Southern border. Yet, the politicians who were in charge the last 4 years did an immoral thing by not upholding the law. 

Well, they certainly screwed some things up on that issue. It didn't help their Administration. 

 

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Ask any person who lives in a sanctuary City if the diversion of taxpayer provided funds for other things to take care of these migrants and the inflation it caused has impacted their pocketbooks.

I disagree to a certain extent. Maybe things like that had an effect on our economy a little bit, but the Pandemic was the biggest cause of our inflation and Biden, Kamala, and the Democrats didn't fix that part of the economy. Their loss, Trumps' gain.