Slate Magazine Blames Racism and Misogyny for Harris Loss

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There’s a Lot of Fighting Over Why Harris Lost. But Everyone Seems to Want to Avoid This Explanation.

It wasn’t the fascism-loving felon whom voters couldn’t trust. It was the Black woman.

...Still, in the wee hours of Wednesday morning, news broke that Harris had become froggy roadkill. And the loss was so stunning, it felt like Game Over for the long-held dream of so many. The sad truth is: It feels pretty clear that we just lost our only chance at ever having a Black woman as president....

Source for full article. Hopefully the democrats have learned better lessons than Slate magazine has  

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[Fraust]

Yeah how many people would vote for Candace Owens? 

[Katniss]

How about we blame Harris instead. Cenk Uygur will tell you the straight truth. He explains it at the 4:00 mark.

@Link of Hyrule You may find this interesting, at the 12:25 mark. Cenk talks about Polymarket and how they got it right, but other people were furious at other people when they bet Trump would win. 

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[Mr.UFO]

Of course. You knew that was coming. I guess they think $3.70 per gallon for gas and empowering drug cartels had nothing to do with her losing. They were ready to blame racism if Obama lost.

I love how the liberal media uses the excuse of Harris being a candidate on short notice with a limited amount of time to campaign. Guess what -- it was the Democrats idea to do that.

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[CrimsonKing]

16 minutes ago, Mr.UFO said:

Of course. You knew that was coming. I guess they think $3.70 per gallon for gas and empowering drug cartels had nothing to do with her losing. They were ready to blame racism if Obama lost.

I love how the liberal media uses the excuse of Harris being a candidate on short notice with a limited amount of time to campaign. Guess what -- it was the Democrats idea to do that.

She was a tan Hillary right down to the cackle and paying millions for celebrity endorsements...

Sad but true,despite the hype.

I live in the US and have many black friends who aren't upper middle class or rich,they almost all had the same opinion of her.

[psyche101]

20 minutes ago, Mr.UFO said:

Of course. You knew that was coming. I guess they think $3.70 per gallon for gas and empowering drug cartels had nothing to do with her losing. They were ready to blame racism if Obama lost.

I love how the liberal media uses the excuse of Harris being a candidate on short notice with a limited amount of time to campaign. Guess what -- it was the Democrats idea to do that.

Wait till tarrifs hit. Today's prices will seem pretty good. Last year's too. 

Things are what they are. Misogyny and racism likely did not lose the election, but it without doubt likely played a part. Those voters wouldn't have voted democrat regardless. I posted when she was selected as to if America was ready for a female black president. I had my doubts. 

It's not Harris's fault. She worked pretty hard. It was all uphill and she didn't quite make it. America isn't ready for a black female president. Or female yet I would say by the jeers as the right led by Trump hammered her with racist and misogynistic comments, from her "blackness" as Trump put it, to her being better suited to a kitchen, or the nasty jibes from nasty people about her hearty laugh. America is probably fifty years away minimum before being ready for a black female president. They want a garbage collector with a foul mouth. Physically and metaphorically. That's not something to be proud of, but there it is. Today's America looks a lot dimmer than it did yesterday from a global perspective. 

[Kenemet]

I agree with Slate.  America still isn't ready for a woman to be president.  I hope I live long enough to see one, though.

[Mr.UFO]

25 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

America is probably fifty years away minimum before being ready for a black female president.

There hasn't been any female president yet. That in itself would be a positive for the liberal cause. Conservatives wouldn't have a problem with a female president (black or white) if she was a Republican. It's identity politics that Americans are tired of. That's one reason why Republicans are winning everything now.

Voting for Trump was a gamble. Yes, the economy and the border crisis will improve. But I'm a little worried about an unhinged person like him having unchallenged access to the button that launches nuclear weapons. The founding fathers of the 1770s could not have predicted such a weapon -- otherwise, they probably would have put limits on one person from having the power to use them. I don't mean to scare people; it's just a thought I had.

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[CrimsonKing]

32 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Wait till tarrifs hit. Today's prices will seem pretty good. Last year's too. 

Things are what they are. Misogyny and racism likely did not lose the election, but it without doubt likely played a part. Those voters wouldn't have voted democrat regardless. I posted when she was selected as to if America was ready for a female black president. I had my doubts. 

It's not Harris's fault. She worked pretty hard. It was all uphill and she didn't quite make it. America isn't ready for a black female president. Or female yet I would say by the jeers as the right led by Trump hammered her with racist and misogynistic comments, from her "blackness" as Trump put it, to her being better suited to a kitchen, or the nasty jibes from nasty people about her hearty laugh. America is probably fifty years away minimum before being ready for a black female president. They want a garbage collector with a foul mouth. Physically and metaphorically. That's not something to be proud of, but there it is. Today's America looks a lot dimmer than it did yesterday from a global perspective. 

I agree with you on the tariffs,going to be a bit of a wicked game to play...

As far as misogyny and racism being any part of the blame for her loss because of American ways,well...

How many other Westernized countries have black or Indigenous female Presidents of their countries?...

A fair question I believe.

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[Mr.UFO]

2 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

I agree with Slate.  America still isn't ready for a woman to be president.  I hope I live long enough to see one, though.

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in 2016. And she would have won the election if she wasn't involved in a scandal. Don't blame the voters for her screw-up. It's like when Trump lost to Biden. Instead of blaming Trump, the far right (especially Trump himself) blamed the company who made voting machines and said they cheated.

[psyche101]

Just now, Mr.UFO said:

There hasn't been any female president yet. That in itself would be a positive for the liberal cause. Conservatives wouldn't have a problem with a female president (black or white) if she was a Republican. It's identity politics that Americans are tired of. That's one reason why Republicans are winning everything now.

Republicans have identity politics too, Christian namely, but Christians don't care about actual Christianity regarding Trump. Stormy Daniels was about the lowest a human sinks, yet some just refused to believe it because Trump told them not to. American voters are like angsty teen girls looking for a bad boy to be infatuated with.

Just now, Mr.UFO said:

Voting for Trump was a gamble. Yes, the economy and the border crisis will improve. But I'm a little worried about an unhinged person like him having unchallenged access to the button that launces nuclear weapons. The founding fathers could not have predicted such a weapon -- otherwise, they probably would have put limits on one person from having the power to use them.

The economy will crumble if he imposes the tarrifs.

It somewhat amazes me that so many are oblivious to this looming hike. They will increase the price of everything and spark global trade wars. And he doesn't need congressional approval. Musk is going to make billions out of the next four years. Prices will skyrocket. He's not doing another four years no matter what, what does he care? 

It's incredibly stupid how so many didn't listen to the tarrifs and dreamed about cheap fuel and eggs in the years before Covid. 

The founding fathers would be disgusted in modern day America. Donald Trump is a modern day Ike Clanton. Using his media to lie and sow seeds of doubt to con people to vote a certain way. Nothing has improved in 200 years. It's still the same sht show. Guns and all. 

[psyche101]

8 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

I agree with you on the tariffs,going to be a bit of a wicked game to play...

It's really concerning. The entire globe is worried about the potential trade wars he will start. 

8 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

As far as misogyny and racism being any part of the blame for her loss because of American ways,well...

It didn't lose the election, like I said, those people will vote GOP regardless. That's not saying Republicans are Nazis, it's saying Nazis are Republicans. They showed up at rallies and were turned away. They aren't welcomed by the majority but the GOP values align closer than dem values. 

They are a contingent in every country. 

In every country they cast a vote based on racist values. That's what I'm saying. They exist, they didn't matter. 

8 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

How many other Westernized countries have black or Indigenous female Presidents of their countries?...

A fair question I believe.

How many have presidents? New Zealand had Jacinda. We had Julia. Female not black. But we do have plenty indigenous in government.

They were PMs too, we are Commonwealth not republics. Leaders of our countries regardless 

[Mr.UFO]

3 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

How many other Westernized countries have black or Indigenous Presidents of their countries?...

A fair question I believe.

Liberals like to call America a racist country. But every country with more than one race living in it has racism.

[Mr.UFO]

18 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

American voters are like angsty teen girls looking for a bad boy to be infatuated with.

LOL. It's a little disturbing that conservatives voted for Trump in the primaries in overwhelming numbers, and didn't even consider anybody else. Moderate politicians of both parties have to realize that they are now basically ineligible from being president.

[CrimsonKing]

17 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

It's really concerning. The entire globe is worried about the potential trade wars he will start. 

It didn't lose the election, like I said, those people will vote GOP regardless. That's not saying Republicans are Nazis, it's saying Nazis are Republicans. They showed up at rallies and were turned away. They aren't welcomed by the majority but the GOP values align closer than dem values. 

They are a contingent in every country. 

In every country they cast a vote based on racist values. That's what I'm saying. They exist, they didn't matter. 

How many have presidents? New Zealand had Jacinda. We had Julia. Female not black. But we do have plenty indigenous in government.

They were PMs too, we are Commonwealth not republics. Leaders of our countries regardless 

I understand that,I don't really get the whole tariffs threat myself,I understand how it works,just seems counterintuitive.

That's not the whole story though,many "Nazis" showed up at left wing,purple haired pro Gaza events here in the US,with zero anti fa members trying to chase them away... strange I know!

I know many countries throughout history have had female leaders,hell English queens have been some of the most powerful in history!...

I'm just saying, don't blame the US solely for not spreading the power around outside of the "established" hierarchy...many never have.

I mean,we have many women and minorities in "high places" in government as well...only been 47 Presidents in our history coming up though.

Heck we just set history with 13 female state Governors from the Southeast, Northeast,to the Midwest.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/11/us-news/a-record-13-female-governors-to-serve-next-year-following-historic-election-cycle/

The US is a massive place,with a lot of very diverse states...

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, psyche101 said:

Wait till tarrifs hit. Today's prices will seem pretty good. Last year's too. 

Things are what they are. Misogyny and racism likely did not lose the election, but it without doubt likely played a part. Those voters wouldn't have voted democrat regardless. I posted when she was selected as to if America was ready for a female black president. I had my doubts. 

It's not Harris's fault. She worked pretty hard. It was all uphill and she didn't quite make it. America isn't ready for a black female president. Or female yet I would say by the jeers as the right led by Trump hammered her with racist and misogynistic comments, from her "blackness" as Trump put it, to her being better suited to a kitchen, or the nasty jibes from nasty people about her hearty laugh. America is probably fifty years away minimum before being ready for a black female president. They want a garbage collector with a foul mouth. Physically and metaphorically. That's not something to be proud of, but there it is. Today's America looks a lot dimmer than it did yesterday from a global perspective. 

Well maybe the US needs to go here to learn whatever we need to learn. I have been listening to all the Dem and GOP talking heads telling me "THE REASON " Kamala failed.  They are all different. I tend to think Bernie is pretty close. Cenk made a good point too   Kamala was part of the establishment Democratic Party, associating more and more with college educated  professionals and the donor class.  The people struggling most were led to believe Trump could fix the economy for them.  They went in with the MAGA devout to get Trump elected.  Personally I think they  (and us) are sheep about to get the shearing of their lives. Money is going to flow from the middle class to the upper class and not leave much trickle down. Neither mass deportations or tariffs (both are promised) nor tax cuts for the rich (also promised) will improve the economy or decrease the deficit. And along with Trump comes the party that wants to cut Social Security, cut Medicare, and remove union benefits.  None of those things are designed to benefit the working class, they are all designed to favor the elite. In four years, the working class will be poorer than they are today.

[+Link of Hyrule]

5 hours ago, Fraust said:

Yeah how many people would vote for Candace Owens? 

She'd have my support. I can't shake a weird feeling that there might even be a chance that at some point in a near future election (perhaps 2036, give or take) we are going to see a campaign that culminates in Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D) facing Candace Owens (R) for the chance of being America's first female President. As the Aussie footy commercial says, I'd like to see that. 

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4 hours ago, Katniss said:

How about we blame Harris instead. Cenk Uygur will tell you the straight truth. He explains it at the 4:00 mark.

@Link of Hyrule You may find this interesting, at the 12:25 mark. Cenk talks about Polymarket and how they got it right, but other people were furious at other people when they bet Trump would win. 

Ah, good ol TYT, I'll try to watch it tonight when my partner gets back. I don't often agree with him (Ana Kasparian, sometimes I agree with her), but it's not unheard of. Either way I'm sure it'll be entertaining, Cenk does have that going for him  

[+Link of Hyrule]

2 hours ago, Kenemet said:

I agree with Slate.  America still isn't ready for a woman to be president.  I hope I live long enough to see one, though.

Hey there Kenemet, I put an emoji reaction on your post, I just wanted to clarify that it's directed at your first two sentences, not your third sentence, I sincerely hope you live a long and happy life and that a woman president will happen soon (I mentioned it above, but a weird premonition I have is of AOC facing Candace Owens sooner rather than later, which would be interesting if the first black female president were a Republican, but either candidate would be the first female minority if Identity Politics is important to the voter). 

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[psyche101]

2 hours ago, Mr.UFO said:

Liberals like to call America a racist country. But every country with more than one race living in it has racism.

Yes, I'd agree with that. 

 

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[psyche101]

2 hours ago, Mr.UFO said:

LOL. It's a little disturbing that conservatives voted for Trump in the primaries in overwhelming numbers, and didn't even consider anybody else. Moderate politicians of both parties have to realize that they are now basically ineligible from being president.

It's very disturbing especially so considering how Haley was looked over. 

That Trump won is also very disturbing. So is the fact that a college educated black woman lost to a sexually abusive felon who cosplayed McDonald's worker and trash man. And the fact nobody seems to understand tarrifs. 

It's a bleak outlook for America if Trump is the best 330 million can come up with. Any any other country he would be laughed out. Politics isn't politics in America anymore, it's just a TV reality show. 

[psyche101]

2 hours ago, CrimsonKing said:

I understand that,I don't really get the whole tariffs threat myself,I understand how it works,just seems counterintuitive.

It is, and it has many countries very concerned. 

It just can't possibly result in low prices. Inflation and rates will have to go up. Money has to come from somewhere and Elon is already putting his fingers in the treasury pie. 

The trade war will affect the globe. We were hoping for a rate cut by Christmas and hopefully ease the mortgages across the country, but that's going to be scrapped since Trump won. What he intends will hurt many. 

2 hours ago, CrimsonKing said:

That's not the whole story though,many "Nazis" showed up at left wing,purple haired pro Gaza events here in the US,with zero anti fa members trying to chase them away... strange I know!

But probably more so to taunt liberals. I'm not saying it's a nazi thing to be Republican. What I am saying is the end values align closer than they do with liberals. And I did point out, they showed up at the Trump boat rally and were promptly turned away with a strong message that they weren't welcome. But the long game is where the commonality is. Conservative values. Liberal values are way down the other end. Pretty much opposite. 

It's the same with most hate groups. The conservative values are much closer than liberal values. A republican might simply verbally abuse a trans person for instance where a nazi might kick them to death. That sort of commonality. Not the same, but same motivation resulting in different extremes, however with one in place the other has free reign. Moderates open the door to extremes. Kinda my argument against lolbertarians and mostly why I give OS  a hard time about them. 

2 hours ago, CrimsonKing said:

I know many countries throughout history have had female leaders,hell English queens have been some of the most powerful in history!...

I'm just saying, don't blame the US solely for not spreading the power around outside of the "established" hierarchy...many never have.

I mean,we have many women and minorities in "high places" in government as well...only been 47 Presidents in our history coming up though.

Heck we just set history with 13 female state Governors from the Southeast, Northeast,to the Midwest.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/11/us-news/a-record-13-female-governors-to-serve-next-year-following-historic-election-cycle/

The US is a massive place,with a lot of very diverse states...

It is different, but it strikes me that the civil war never really ended in many places. I don't know how familiar you are with Ike Clanton, I've mentioned him a few times, but he pulled the same BS Trump is now, 200 years ago in Tombstone. He told lies non stop and set people against the government and tarnished non supportive media. Musk is another wild card. He hasn't done this out of the goodness of his heart, he is going to screw America and make back everything he lost in twitter ten times over. And RFK in health? Good god man. A complete and utter loon advising people. It's bewildering how that three ring circus got off the ground. It's like self flagellation. 

America needs to unite to move forward and offer true equality, but Trump's not the man to do that. He is division personified. From politics to personality, he has something to offend everyone. The next election won't result in a female president. If Republicans run with one after Trump is finally disposed of, they will lose. This will be a conservative male orientated four years. 

[psyche101]

2 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Well maybe the US needs to go here to learn whatever we need to learn. I have been listening to all the Dem and GOP talking heads telling me "THE REASON " Kamala failed.  They are all different. I tend to think Bernie is pretty close. Cenk made a good point too   Kamala was part of the establishment Democratic Party, associating more and more with college educated  professionals and the donor class.  The people struggling most were led to believe Trump could fix the economy for them.  They went in with the MAGA devout to get Trump elected.  Personally I think they  (and us) are sheep about to get the shearing of their lives. Money is going to flow from the middle class to the upper class and not leave much trickle down. Neither mass deportations or tariffs (both are promised) nor tax cuts for the rich (also promised) will improve the economy or decrease the deficit. And along with Trump comes the party that wants to cut Social Security, cut Medicare, and remove union benefits.  None of those things are designed to benefit the working class, they are all designed to favor the elite. In four years, the working class will be poorer than they are today.

I hope America learns. It was a close race. I would consider five million votes in a country of 330 million pretty close. 

It was a successful sales ad. The cosplay, the rallies, the pity vote for the assassination attempt, (took a bullet for democracy made me throw up in my mouth a little) and it was a better ad than Kamala's for the average person. People want reality TV. Trump gives them a chance to pretend they are playing the game with him and are part of the show. 

Trump appealed to the working class by pretending he was one of them. The guy from Mara a Lago. The multi millionaire who they sent their hard earned dollars to. Saying it out loud, it seems ridiculous, but that's what happened. It was never a political campaign, it was an advertisement. Again Trump turned America into reality TV. 

That he successfully sold himself is more the concern. America needs a higher percentage of college educated people. He took the low hanging fruit more than anything. It's a stark warning IMO. 

[+Link of Hyrule]

7 hours ago, Katniss said:

How about we blame Harris instead. Cenk Uygur will tell you the straight truth. He explains it at the 4:00 mark.

@Link of Hyrule You may find this interesting, at the 12:25 mark. Cenk talks about Polymarket and how they got it right, but other people were furious at other people when they bet Trump would win. 

I admit I was only half paying attention when I watched,  but I agreed with him more than I usually do. He's right,  if you think you can get rich off this, go for it, that's capitalism.  Most of those same people probably lost money at the 2020 election, though,  that's why they call it gambling. 

[preacherman76]

So we buy basically everything from China. China puts massive tariffs on US goods, so we sell them next to nothing. And it’s us that’s starting a trade war? 
 

No it’s us that is trying to put pressure on China to have free trade between us. Opening up a massive market for US companies. 
 

I don’t think he should bother though. China knows half this country are too dumb to understand the situation, and will actually support them instead of their own country. 
 

They would come to the table real fast if they thought most of Americans supported free trade. If they didn’t think this will all just go way come the next administration. 
 

To me, why would we have let things get this lopsided with trade to begin with? Why should America tolerate buying cars from China, when their people can never have a chance to buy a car from us? 
 

And you people do know that we already have some tariffs on China right now through Biden? Why wasn’t that the end of the world?