Australian Politician To Appeal Racial Vilification Case

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Pauline Hanson fires back at a male critic who told her to 'toughen up'

...Earlier this month the One Nation leader lost a defamation case brought by Greens Senator Mehreen Faruqi.

A judge found she had racially vilified Ms Faruqi when she told her to 'p*** off back to Pakistan' in a tweet....

...She has vowed to appeal the Federal Court decision and is currently trying to raise $1million to cover her legal costs.

Source for full article. 

This video is also in the article. For those interested,  Pauline Hanson was recently found liable of racially vilifying a Pakistani Australian. 

I hope Ms Hanson wins her appeal. 

[Alchopwn]

Is it possible to dislike both far right racists and Pakistani Muslims because you view them as both being slightly different brands of totalitarian swill?

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1 hour ago, Alchopwn said:

Is it possible to dislike both far right racists and Pakistani Muslims because you view them as both being slightly different brands of totalitarian swill?

Yes. I don't like Pauline Hanson. I disagree with her on much.  But like all politicians they also say things of value on occasion. She has a hilarious Youtube cartoon on her channel "Pauline Hanson's Please Explain", which often highlight absurdities in our major parties. 

When it comes to free speech, I don't care whether I agree with it (the speech) or not,  I just look at it and ask whether such speech should be allowed to be said in a free and fair society,  and in this case I think Ms Hanson was well within her rights to make the comments she did in the context that she did. 

Edit: to be clear, I don't agree with heaps of what she says,  but I don't think she's a totalitarian either.  Nowhere near the worst politician Australia has to offer. 

Edit again: I have no comment on Ms Faruqi,  outside of this current event I know little about her. I think what she wrote was reprehensible within the context of when she wrote it, but she was also within her rights to write it.

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[psyche101]

25 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Yes. I don't like Pauline Hanson. I disagree with her on much.  But like all politicians they also say things of value on occasion. She has a hilarious Youtube cartoon on her channel "Pauline Hanson's Please Explain", which often highlight absurdities in our major parties. 

When it comes to free speech, I don't care whether I agree with it (the speech) or not,  I just look at it and ask whether such speech should be allowed to be said in a free and fair society,  and in this case I think Ms Hanson was well within her rights to make the comments she did in the context that she did. 

Edit: to be clear, I don't agree with heaps of what she says,  but I don't think she's a totalitarian either.  Nowhere near the worst politician Australia has to offer. 

Edit again: I have no comment on Ms Faruqi,  outside of this current event I know little about her. I think what she wrote was reprehensible within the context of when she wrote it, but she was also within her rights to write it.

On an extremely rare occasion it seems I would agree with you. 

Someone check hell. It may possibly have frozen over. 

I can't see Pauline's comment as intimidating. It's not discrimination in any professional sense, Pauline has made no demands and threatened no action. Pauline is allowed to be offended by baiting comments too. 

I've mentioned before I've met her in person. She's a nice and friendly person too. Bad photos of her in the article. She looks better in real life. I don't think she's any sort of danger. She just not smart enough to be one. Some of her promotions are so silly they are more funny than anything. 

I wouldn't vote for her either. 

And I agree on the original comment. There's a time and a place. It was neither for Mrs Faruqis comments. That was poking the bear. 

I personally feel Lydia Thorpe should be sacked and perhaps actions taken for claiming to fake her oath. If she did, there should be fraud repercussions. If not she violated her agreement. Either way she violated her role. 

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32 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

On an extremely rare occasion it seems I would agree with you. 

Someone check hell. It may possibly have frozen over. 

I can't see Pauline's comment as intimidating. It's not discrimination in any professional sense, Pauline has made no demands and threatened no action. Pauline is allowed to be offended by baiting comments too. 

I've mentioned before I've met her in person. She's a nice and friendly person too. Bad photos of her in the article. She looks better in real life. I don't think she's any sort of danger. She just not smart enough to be one. Some of her promotions are so silly they are more funny than anything. 

I wouldn't vote for her either. 

And I agree on the original comment. There's a time and a place. It was neither for Mrs Faruqis comments. That was poking the bear. 

I personally feel Lydia Thorpe should be sacked and perhaps actions taken for claiming to fake her oath. If she did, there should be fraud repercussions. If not she violated her agreement. Either way she violated her role. 

I'm sure I made an Apocalypse joke last time we agreed.  We should do something more this time, as I also mostly agree with your comments about Lydia Thorpe. I am stuck a little on free speech, but speaking about her oaths the way she did just didn't sit right with me.  It suggests fraud, though she'll probably be able to argue that she was just being hyperbolic if she were forced into questions under oath herself. 

I even mostly agreed with you in the Slate thread about Identity Politics, we can finish our chat there and maybe split the difference and go home (figuratively), and consider this a win after all our usual arguments  

 

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[Alchopwn]

22 hours ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Edit: to be clear, I don't agree with heaps of what she says,  but I don't think she's a totalitarian either.  Nowhere near the worst politician Australia has to offer. 

I heard that Hanson has the support of Australia's neo-nazi movement.  That would make her totalitarian in my book.

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1 hour ago, Alchopwn said:

I heard that Hanson has the support of Australia's neo-nazi movement.  That would make her totalitarian in my book.

Only if she courted that support. 
Otherwise the democrats are anarchists because Antifa support them. 

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17 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

I heard that Hanson has the support of Australia's neo-nazi movement.  That would make her totalitarian in my book.

"the support of Australia's neo-nazi movement".... Hmm, I didn't realise there was one big conglomerate known as "Australia's neo-nazi movement" that all moved and pushed in lockstep with one another and all of them went and put their official support behind One Nation and/or Pauline Hanson..... in fact, I'd bet real cash money that there is no such thing as "Australia's neo-nazi movement" (singular), but they are in fact dozens of disparate nationalistic and fascistic groups, all of them with their own agenda, and maybe isolated examples of these groups throwing their support behind her/the party. 

I also think it's worth pointing out that Pauline Hanson/One Nation have condemned white supremacists and nationalists and disavowed the ones who have gone on the record to support her, eg 2016 when the United Patriots Front put out public support for One Nation, Pauline Hanson put out a statement explicitly condemning them, saying she doesn't support their values and she doesn't want their political support. 

That makes her human in my book. 

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[Alchopwn]

10 hours ago, Link of Hyrule said:

"the support of Australia's neo-nazi movement".... Hmm, I didn't realise there was one big conglomerate known as "Australia's neo-nazi movement" that all moved and pushed in lockstep with one another and all of them went and put their official support behind One Nation and/or Pauline Hanson..... in fact, I'd bet real cash money that there is no such thing as "Australia's neo-nazi movement" (singular), but they are in fact dozens of disparate nationalistic and fascistic groups, all of them with their own agenda, and maybe isolated examples of these groups throwing their support behind her/the party. 

I think the following articles demonstrate that One Nation is a hate group with abundant neo-nazi links.  *snip*

https://www.news.com.au/national/neo-nazi-the-skull-is-pauline-hansons-biggest-fan/news-story/c81f3b37c3e03cf79032af7c381df15f

https://www.vice.com/en/article/pauline-hansons-one-nation-has-been-declared-a-hate-group/

https://www.smh.com.au/national/from-one-nation-to-neo-nazism-australians-being-drawn-into-extremism-20210324-p57dr9.html

https://honisoit.com/2023/08/please-explain-the-persistent-presence-of-pauline-hanson/

Most importantly: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-26/the-base-tapes-secret-recordings-australian-recruitment/13255994

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Removed personal attacks

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6 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

I think the following articles demonstrate that One Nation is a hate group with abundant neo-nazi links.  

https://www.news.com.au/national/neo-nazi-the-skull-is-pauline-hansons-biggest-fan/news-story/c81f3b37c3e03cf79032af7c381df15f

https://www.vice.com/en/article/pauline-hansons-one-nation-has-been-declared-a-hate-group/

https://www.smh.com.au/national/from-one-nation-to-neo-nazism-australians-being-drawn-into-extremism-20210324-p57dr9.html

https://honisoit.com/2023/08/please-explain-the-persistent-presence-of-pauline-hanson/

Most importantly: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-26/the-base-tapes-secret-recordings-australian-recruitment/13255994

Your first article quotes Hanson distancing herself from May and saying she doesn't support the White Australia Policy.  The last article isn't even about One Nation.

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See paragraphs 246-247.

https://www.judgments.fedcourt.gov.au/judgments/Judgments/fca/single/2024/2024fca1264#_Ref181267442

I'm mildly interested in the responses before Hanson replied.  How does one become intimidated by a racist tweet?  Faruqi could have made some retort about how ignorant it is to tell a Federal Parliamentarian to go back where they came from if they have their s44C ducks in a row.

I can't say I remember this story, but minor parties having a tiff is not as amusing as it is irrelevant.

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4 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

I think the following articles demonstrate that One Nation is a hate group with abundant neo-nazi links *snipped dumb comment*

https://www.news.com.au/national/neo-nazi-the-skull-is-pauline-hansons-biggest-fan/news-story/c81f3b37c3e03cf79032af7c381df15f

https://www.vice.com/en/article/pauline-hansons-one-nation-has-been-declared-a-hate-group/

https://www.smh.com.au/national/from-one-nation-to-neo-nazism-australians-being-drawn-into-extremism-20210324-p57dr9.html

https://honisoit.com/2023/08/please-explain-the-persistent-presence-of-pauline-hanson/

Most importantly: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-26/the-base-tapes-secret-recordings-australian-recruitment/13255994

1- you failed to demonstrate there was a thing that can be labelled ""Australia's neo-nazi movement". In fact you arguably confirmed the opposite by highlighting individuals and groups. 

2- you also found confirmation that Ms Hanson has condemned these groups and distanced herself from their views. 

3- I won't dignify the rest of your post with a response. 

Edited November 15 by Link of Hyrule