Telegraph journalist faces ‘Kafkaesque’ investigation over alleged hate crime.

[itsnotoutthere]

A Telegraph journalist is facing a “Kafkaesque” investigation for allegedly stirring up racial hatred in a social media post last year.

Allison Pearson, an award-winning writer, has described how two police officers called at her home at 9.40am on Remembrance Sunday to tell her she was being investigated over the post on X, formerly Twitter, from a year ago...

When Pearson asked what she had allegedly said in the tweet, the officer said he was not allowed to disclose it. …

Police sources indicated that it was being treated as a criminal matter rather than an non-crime hate incident. …

https://wentworthreport.com/2024/11/14/uk-journalist-faces-kafkaesque-investigation-over-alleged-hate-crime/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/12/telegraph-journalist-allison-pearson-hate-crime-alleged/

Edited November 14 by Still Waters
Trimmed for length. The rest can be viewed in the source link

[stevewinn]

Its absolutely astonishing, and she's not the only one, many people have taken to social media reporting the same happening to them. Something is seriously going wrong in this country with the state, and Police.

If your car is robbed or house burgled you phone the police and they give you a crime number over the phone. phone the police and report hurty words on social media and officers turn up, for a Non-Crime. let that just sink in, not a crime, but a non-crime.

I have a suspicion that the authorities are feeling an undercurrent that their losing the population.

the Riots in the aftermath of the Southport murders, 24hr courts and long sentences. some justified, but many people locked up for simply shouting at the police, many for criticising the Govt. what did the Govt do, they released real criminals early to lock up people who disagreed with the Govt.

We are seeing starmers govt silence their critics with legal threats and police intimidation. I never thought id say it but were are entering a dangerous period in our country with regard to freedom of speech.

 

[+OverSword]

In England it's now illegal to call someone a doody-head.  It could escalate!! 🤯  It seems like too many of you are unaware of how truly overbearing your government has become. You think we are the one's in danger with this kind of thing going on there?

 

[pellinore]

4 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Its absolutely astonishing, and she's not the only one, many people have taken to social media reporting the same happening to them. Something is seriously going wrong in this country with the state, and Police.

It is astonishing that we are not allowed to see what the Tweet was. Maybe it was hate speech?

Edited November 14 by pellinore

[pellinore]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

In England it's now illegal to call someone a doody-head.  It could escalate!! 🤯  It seems like too many of you are unaware of how truly overbearing your government has become. You think we are the one's in danger with this kind of thing going on there?

Lol! 

[itsnotoutthere]

18 hours ago, OverSword said:

In England it's now illegal to call someone a doody-head.  It could escalate!! 🤯  It seems like too many of you are unaware of how truly overbearing your government has become. You think we are the one's in danger with this kind of thing going on there?

 

Yes, it's ridiculous. We now live in a world were people sift through the internet to find something to be offended about. Of course we all really know what this is about, why it's done & who is doing it. They want diversity but they don't want diversity of thought or opinion.

[Setton]

Tiny flaw in your manufactured outrage:

She's lying through her teeth and the police have the video footage to prove it. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cev9nxnygzpo

@itsnotoutthere I'd have hoped after your embarrassing lies after Southport, you'd have learned to fact check your usual sources. Apparently not.

[itsnotoutthere]

53 minutes ago, Setton said:

Tiny flaw in your manufactured outrage:

She's lying through her teeth and the police have the video footage to prove it. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cev9nxnygzpo

@itsnotoutthere I'd have hoped after your embarrassing lies after Southport, you'd have learned to fact check your usual sources. Apparently not.

Yes, just read the article, and as I said,  We now live in a world were people sift through the internet to find something to be offended about. That seems to be what's happened here. To use your phrase, manufactured outrage. 

Southport. oh you mean that terrible stabbing of small children that turned out to be inspired by Islamic jihad..... that Southport? 

Edited November 16 by itsnotoutthere

[stevewinn]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

Tiny flaw in your manufactured outrage:

She's lying through her teeth and the police have the video footage to prove it. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cev9nxnygzpo

@itsnotoutthere I'd have hoped after your embarrassing lies after Southport, you'd have learned to fact check your usual sources. Apparently not.

From the BBC link,

Is this what triggered a knock on the door on a Sunday morning from the Police? 

No, it cant be surely.

This is bloody worrying if it is, we need to be careful as country here, totalitarian vibes.

 

[itsnotoutthere]

4 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

From the BBC link,

Is this what triggered a knock on the door on a Sunday morning from the Police? 

No, it cant be surely.

This is bloody worrying if it is, we need to be careful as country here, totalitarian vibes.

 

Yes, the police have obviously solved all the real crime like burglery, rapes, violent assaults etc & are now finding more trivial things do like sifting through deleted tweets. 

Edited November 16 by itsnotoutthere

[Setton]

32 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Southport. oh you mean that terrible stabbing of small children that turned out to be inspired by Islamic jihad..... that Southport? 

No, you must be thinking of a different event. I mean the stabbing of small children that has still not been declared a terrorist attack.

You know, the one where you claimed it was the laughably named illegal immigrant "Ali Al-Shakti" and that he was on an "MI6 watchlist". In the UK. Hilarious.

That Southport.

[Setton]

4 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

From the BBC link,

Is this what triggered a knock on the door on a Sunday morning from the Police? 

No, it cant be surely.

This is bloody worrying if it is, we need to be careful as country here, totalitarian vibes.

 

Pretty sure labelling a legitimate political party as "Jew haters" qualifies as libel.

[itsnotoutthere]

1 minute ago, Setton said:

Pretty sure labelling a legitimate political party as "Jew haters" qualifies as libel.

Er.... Hamas? 

[stevewinn]

5 minutes ago, Setton said:

No, you must be thinking of a different event. I mean the stabbing of small children that has still not been declared a terrorist attack.

You know, the one where you claimed it was the laughably named illegal immigrant "Ali Al-Shakti" and that he was on an "MI6 watchlist". In the UK. Hilarious.

That Southport.

Just a point on Southport, the authorities have done backflips to not call it a terrorist incident. 

The Authorities have told people not to believe what they see with their own eyes, do not believe what you hear with your own ears. 

We are only to believe what the authorities tell us.

Counter terrorism have said the murders on the 29th July was not terrorist related.

On the same day those girls where murdered, the terrorist's house was raided by the Police, they found the nerve agent Ricin and an Al Qaeda terrorist manual. Yet the Authorities held back the Ricin and Al Qaeda manual information. - and they didn't charge with those offences until a further 3 months after the murders.

29th July. Murders.

31st July charge with murders

29th October. charge, biologic weapon and terrorism

The Authorities waited until the riots had stopped, waited 3 months before confirming he would face further two chargers one for the nerve agent and the second terrorism.

The CPS is meant to be impartial to the Govt. Yet Govt asked the CPS to postpone the announcement of the further charges because there was a Tommy Robinson march on the same day and feared riots. - now that might have been sensible, but shows political interference and pressure. 

I DO NOT for one second believe the murders where not terrorist related. The Authorities want us to believe he had nerve agent, Al Qaeda terrorist manual and Killed children by knifing them to death. but the murders WHERE NOT TERRORISM.

Please bear in mind, this is the same Country where the Authorities and establishment who allowed the Asian Rotherham grooming gangs to systematically rape and abuse of Asian, but mainly British white girls for over 10 years, victims numbering over 1,200 and it was stated in the report the Authorities and Police knew what was going on but turned a blind eye in the name of race relations and social cohesion.

So forgive if i dont believe for one second Southport murders where not terrorism. The Authorities simply cannot be trusted. We've seen it with our own eyes, heard it with our own ears.

We've seen the two tier policing in the aftermath,. - Go in hard on the White British protestors/rioters. If its Asians go in with Kid gloves. I had to laugh, when that Police officer was filmed approaching a group of Moslems with weapons, and the Police officer simply said where here to protect you, take the weapons back inside the Mosque. Who knew Mosques doubled as a armoury.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Claira]

54 minutes ago, Setton said:

Pretty sure labelling a legitimate political party as "Jew haters" qualifies as libel.

Pretty sure labelling a legitimate political party that hates Jews as 'Jew Haters' does not qualify as libel.

PTI leaders, such as Shah Mahmood Qureshi, for example, have been quite vocal about their dislike of Jews.

[stevewinn]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

Pretty sure labelling a legitimate political party as "Jew haters" qualifies as libel.

I believe libel is a civil matter.

and even if it wasn't do you think what was written requires a Police response let alone a charge?

[Setton]

2 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Just a point on Southport, the authorities have done backflips to not call it a terrorist incident. 

The Authorities have told people not to believe what they see with their own eyes, do not believe what you hear with your own ears. 

We are only to believe what the authorities tell us.

Counter terrorism have said the murders on the 29th July was not terrorist related.

On the same day those girls where murdered, the terrorist's house was raided by the Police, they found the nerve agent Ricin and an Al Qaeda terrorist manual. Yet the Authorities held back the Ricin and Al Qaeda manual information. - and they didn't charge with those offences until a further 3 months after the murders.

29th July. Murders.

31st July charge with murders

29th October. charge, biologic weapon and terrorism

The Authorities waited until the riots had stopped, waited 3 months before confirming he would face further two chargers one for the nerve agent and the second terrorism.

The CPS is meant to be impartial to the Govt. Yet Govt asked the CPS to postpone the announcement of the further charges because there was a Tommy Robinson march on the same day and feared riots. - now that might have been sensible, but shows political interference and pressure. 

I DO NOT for one second believe the murders where not terrorist related. The Authorities want us to believe he had nerve agent, Al Qaeda terrorist manual and Killed children by knifing them to death. but the murders WHERE NOT TERRORISM.

The ricin and AQ manual were not found/identified on the day of the search. The ricin would need to be sent to labs for analysis. And I imagine the delay in charging over the AQ manual would be due to going through the rest of his devices to confirm there was nothing to indicate a terrorist motive. The only thing to remotely point towards a terrorist motive is the possession of an AQ manual. The manual in question is a methodology manual, not an ideological one. Which is why it has not been classed a terrorist attack.

The delay in charging was not due to government interference.

As for the rest, you can believe what you like but at least ground it in fact, not assumptions and lies.

[stevewinn]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

The ricin and AQ manual were not found/identified on the day of the search. The ricin would need to be sent to labs for analysis. And I imagine the delay in charging over the AQ manual would be due to going through the rest of his devices to confirm there was nothing to indicate a terrorist motive. The only thing to remotely point towards a terrorist motive is the possession of an AQ manual. The manual in question is a methodology manual, not an ideological one. Which is why it has not been classed a terrorist attack.

The delay in charging was not due to government interference.

As for the rest, you can believe what you like but at least ground it in fact, not assumptions and lies.

What day was the Ricin and the Al Qaeda manual found as you seem to think the police overlooked this within the first 24hours. -  lets put it another way, it didn't take three months.

When MP's were asking questions, such as when did these findings come to light, and when did the Prime Minister know, MP's where barred from asking questions.

from the CPS.

charge

1. Production of a biological toxin, namely ricin, contrary to Section 1 of the Biological Weapons Act 1974.

2. Possessing information, namely a PDF file entitled “Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants: The Al-Qaeda Training Manual” of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, contrary to Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000.

 

So we have.

1)  Murder - 3 children killed and ten others stabbed/injured attempted murder -  

2) Biological Weapon. -

3) Al Qaeda manual.-

yeah, i guess your right just your typical little innocent Welsh choir boy, christian, as portrayed by the media  - i guess this is why we keep seeing his school picture used in the media when he was age 12, instead of his adult Police mugshot, because the court drawing doesn't do much. a media and govt trying to down play it. Hmm..

imagine if the police would've told the public they'd found Ricin and Al Qaeda manual even before charging him with these two acts when the riots where still on going. a bit inconvenient, no, better to leave it, say three months once the 24hr courts had done their job. - it'll all come out in the end, once the court case finishes and MP's are allowed to ask questions even though MP's have impunity to ask questions but barred in this instance.

The people at the time where right to be suspicious and they've been proved right to be.

A friend witnessed Kier starmer visiting the southport scene and to lay flowers, after pausing for a moment looking at the flowers and sympathy messages, my mate messaged me and said Starmer as just turned up and several people started heckling him. shouting how many more Kids Prime minister. i naturally tuned in that evening to the NEWS to see this heckling and shock horror it was edited out by the media. BBC national, BBC North West, Sky News, ITV Granada (local) all wanted to portray an imagine. a false imagine.

people wont forget, and this along with many others will be the undoing of this govt.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 16 by stevewinn

[Setton]

26 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

What day was the Ricin and the Al Qaeda manual found as you seem to think the police overlooked this within the first 24hours. -  lets put it another way, it didn't take three months.

Do you have any idea how long it takes to get into and triage an encrypted device? I do.

Quote

Possessing information, namely a PDF file entitled “Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants: The Al-Qaeda Training Manual” of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, contrary to Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000.

Do you have any idea what is contained in that manual? I do.

As I said before, if it was ideologically driven, the charge would be under section 5, not 58. He had information of use to a terrorist. Not that he is a terrorist. 

These aren't nuances regular people have to wrap their heads around normally. It's no wonder so many of you are getting confused and seeing conspiracies where none exist. 

[stevewinn]

4 minutes ago, Setton said:

Do you have any idea how long it takes to get into and triage an encrypted device? I do.

Do you have any idea what is contained in that manual? I do.

As I said before, if it was ideologically driven, the charge would be under section 5, not 58. He had information of use to a terrorist. Not that he is a terrorist. 

These aren't nuances regular people have to wrap their heads around normally. It's no wonder so many of you are getting confused and seeing conspiracies where none exist. 

So contrary to what you stated, the ricin and Al Qaeda manual wasn't found on day one according to you, but you cant tell us what day.

Question how do you know the device was encrypted.

You've also read the same Al Qaeda manual yourself, you want to be careful he's been charged separately for that offence.-  you might want to edit your post.

[Setton]

1 minute ago, stevewinn said:

So contrary to what you stated, the ricin and Al Qaeda manual wasn't found on day one according to you, but you cant tell us what day.

How is that contrary to what I said? That's what I've consistently stated!

No, I can't tell you what day. I'm not psychic nor did I mark the calendar. But, as I said, neither could have been found/identified as quickly as that.

Quote

Question how do you know the device was encrypted.

How many devices do you come across these days that aren't password protected?

Quote

You've also read the same Al Qaeda manual yourself, you want to be careful he's been charged separately for that offence.-  you might want to edit your post.

Appreciate your concern but I don't possess it and I'm familiar with the contents for professional reasons, not my own interest.

[Essan]

Quote

The PDF file was not an Al-Qaeda document but rather a military study of a manual made by the Islamist terror organisation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n40dj2y1o

[stevewinn]

19 minutes ago, Setton said:

How is that contrary to what I said? That's what I've consistently stated!

No, I can't tell you what day. I'm not psychic nor did I mark the calendar. But, as I said, neither could have been found/identified as quickly as that.

How many devices do you come across these days that aren't password protected?

Appreciate your concern but I don't possess it and I'm familiar with the contents for professional reasons, not my own interest.

With you stating it as fact. i thought you knew, just assumption on your part then.

 

[stevewinn]

15 minutes ago, Essan said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2n40dj2y1o

I find it strange that the BBC NEWs agency edit out, in fact go out their way to explain dismiss the Al Qaeda link.

Yet, the CPS, Crown prosecution Service. the one's who look at the evidence presented for a charge. and put the case forward include it in the charge. in fact quoting its title in full.

Who do we believe?

https://www.cps.gov.uk/mersey-cheshire/news/authorises-two-further-charges-against-axel-rudakubana

[Setton]

11 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

With you stating it as fact. i thought you knew, just assumption on your part then.

The fact is that they couldn't be found that quickly. Therefore they weren't. Doesn't mean I know the exact date they were found.