So, what’s going on in England 2400BC…?

[Thanos5150]

20 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Not so much: 

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More recently, another diminutive species, Homo luzonensis, from the island of Luzon in the Philippines was added as a new hominin taxon15. In China, Homo longi was presented following an analysis of the Harbin fossil5. Fossils like Dali and Jinniushan may be tentatively included in H. longi as well, though we await further comparative analyses. Most recently, after a detailed study of the Xujiayao and Xuchang fossils, we have added
Homo juluensis to these discussions16, see also ref. 13. Importantly, we
have assigned the enigmatic Denisova, along with the Xiahe and Penghu fossils, to H. juluensis based on comparative study of the present dentognathic remains. In all likelihood, given the recent observation
that the Tam Ngu Hao 2 (Laos) tooth shares traits with Denisova17, this
fossil should additionally be included in H. juluensis.

Source:  Making sense of eastern Asian Late Quaternary hominin variability (Published November 2, 2024)

cormac

Or not: 

Stunning ‘Dragon Man' skull may be an elusive Denisovan—or a new species of human (2021)

In three papers in the year-old journal The Innovation, paleontologist Qiang Ji of Hebei GEO University and his team call the new species Homo longi. (Long means dragon in Mandarin.) They also claim the new species belongs to the sister group of H. sapiens, and thus, an even closer relative of humans than Neanderthals. Other researchers question that idea of a new species and the team's analysis of the human family tree. But they suspect the large skull has an equally exciting identity: They think it may be the long-sought skull of a Denisovan, an elusive human ancestor from Asia known chiefly from DNA....

Within the cluster of Chinese fossils, the new skull was most closely related to a jawbone from Xiahe Cave on the Tibetan Plateau. Proteins in that jawbone, as well as ancient DNA in the sediments of the cave, strongly suggest it was a Denisovan, a close relative of Neanderthals who lived in Denisova Cave in Siberia off and on from 280,000 to 55,000 years ago and left traces of its DNA in modern people. To date, the only clearly identified Denisovan fossils are a pinkie bone, teeth, and a bit of skull bone from Denisova Cave. But the enormous, "weird" molar from the new find fits with the molars from Denisova, says Bence Viola, a paleoanthropologist at the University of Toronto who analyzed them with Hublin.

The paper authors acknowledge that the find could be a Denisovan. And Chris Stringer, a paleoanthropologist at London's Natural History Museum and co-author on two of the papers, says so directly: "I think it probably is a Denisovan."

There is no better or worse evidence Denisovan is juluensis or longi and may just as well be neither or they may just be variations among the same species. 

Edited December 12, 2024 by Thanos5150

[cormac mac airt]

15 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

What's 'juliensis' based on?

Fossils that date to between 220,000 and 100,000 years ago from Xujiayao and Xuchang, a site in central China.

https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/new-big-headed-archaic-humans-discovered-who-is-homo-juluensis

cormac

[Abramelin]

22 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Fossils that date to between 220,000 and 100,000 years ago from Xujiayao and Xuchang, a site in central China.

https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/new-big-headed-archaic-humans-discovered-who-is-homo-juluensis

cormac

'Juliensis' means 'big skull'??

[cormac mac airt]

2 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

'Juliensis' means 'big skull'??

It’s julUensis Abe. And yes it means that in the same way “sapiens” means “wise”. That’s not a problem. 
 

cormac

[Abramelin]

10 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

It’s julUensis Abe. And yes it means that in the same way “sapiens” means “wise”. That’s not a problem. 
 

cormac

Ok, a typo.

So 'juluensis' means 'wise', something close to 'sapiens'.

From what language did that word come from?

Edited December 12, 2024 by Abramelin

[cormac mac airt]

5 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Ok, a typo.

So 'juluensis' means 'wise', something close to 'sapiens'.

From what language did that denomination come from?

No Abe, juluensis means “big head” in the same way sapiens means “wise”. They are both descriptors. 
 

cormac

[Abramelin]

17 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

No Abe, juluensis means “big head” in the same way sapiens means “wise”. They are both descriptors. 
 

cormac

Ok, I understood that already.

'Juluensis' means 'big head'.

It's not latin nor greek.

What language is it?

 

[cormac mac airt]

15 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Ok, I understood that already.

'Juluensis' means 'big head'.

It's not latin nor greek.

What language is it?

 

It wasn’t what you said though. 
 

Chinese apparently. 
 

cormac

[Thanos5150]

1 hour ago, Abramelin said:

Ok, I understood that already.

'Juluensis' means 'big head'.

It's not latin nor greek.

What language is it?

"Juluren" is the Chinese word for "big head", reduced to its root "Julu". "Ensis' is the commonly used Latin suffix meaning connection to a specific place or geographical area. Homo neanderthalensis, Homo heidelbergensis, etc. 

[The Puzzler]

22 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

Denisovan is a site designation, it’s not genus or species nomenclature. 
 

cormac

There’s no getting past you lol.

[The Puzzler]

19 hours ago, Abramelin said:

'Juliensis' means 'big skull'??

Apparently, I’d think it was Latin but could denote a place name in Chinese.

Homo Heidelbergis or such.

But I’d find it hard to mix a Chinese descriptive word with a Latin ending.

Every  other species of anything on our planet is, a Latin name…unless Juli means big as in a place name where it was found, it could be. Neanderthal from Neander Valley, unless Juli is a place it would be hard to think they combined two languages to make the word.

 

Its a good question, how does Juliensis mean big skull in Latin…?

Edited December 13, 2024 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

But, despite all the big heads here…

I did find that there was a Storegga slide, like the Doggerland one but about half its impact in 2500BC that impacted Shetland, the Orkneys and other places in Northern Britain…

is this reason enough for the changes I see so predominant in England and surrounds at this time….?

A mini Doggerland tsunami is recorded.

[The Puzzler]

17 hours ago, Thanos5150 said:

"Juluren" is the Chinese word for "big head", reduced to its root "Julu". "Ensis' is the commonly used Latin suffix meaning connection to a specific place or geographical area. Homo neanderthalensis, Homo heidelbergensis, etc. 

unless Juli is a place name…like Neander and Heidelberg….you can’t mix Chinese prefixes with Latin suffixes…

All botanical, biological names are Latin unless the prefix is a place name. There are rules.

The word Juli probably descends from Latin itself….meaning “like/ descended from God/Jove” ie big. Like God big.

Even in Chinese.

 

Abe knows this. That’s why he’s asking.

Or is etymology a free for all now?  Cause I’m there.

Edited December 13, 2024 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

. In two lakes, we also found deposits from a younger tsunami dated to ca 5500 cal yr BP. The sediment facies are similar to those of the Storegga tsunami—rip-up clasts, sand layers, re-deposited material and marine diatoms. Runup was probably more than 10 m. 
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379105000739#:~:text=The oldest is the well,above present high tide level.

[cormac mac airt]

49 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

unless Juli is a place name…like Neander and Heidelberg….you can’t mix Chinese prefixes with Latin suffixes…

All botanical, biological names are Latin unless the prefix is a place name. There are rules.

The word Juli probably descends from Latin itself….meaning “like/ descended from God/Jove” ie big. Like God big.

Even in Chinese.

 

Abe knows this. That’s why he’s asking.

Or is etymology a free for all now?  Cause I’m there.

That’s not a hard and fast rule, it only needs to follow Latin Grammar conventions hence the Julu-ENSIS ending. 
 

ETA:  Julu doesn’t have to be in reference to a place as the ending “ensis” means both “pertaining to” as well as “originating in”. The former being the case for this find. 
 

cormac

Edited December 13, 2024 by cormac mac airt

[The Puzzler]

25 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

That’s not a hard and fast rule, it only needs to follow Latin Grammar conventions hence the Julu-ENSIS ending. 
 

ETA:  Julu doesn’t have to be in reference to a place as the ending “ensis” means both “pertaining to” as well as “originating in”. The former being the case for this find. 
 

cormac

Hmmm

[The Puzzler]

Tsunami deposits from this event have been discovered in eastern Scotland (Dawson et al., 1988; Long et al., 1989; Dawson and Smith, 2000), in western Norway (Bondevik et al., 1997a; Bondevik, 2003) and the Faeroe Islands (Grauert et al., 2001; Bondevik et al., 2005). In Shetland, between Norway and Scotland (Fig. 1), a sand layer in peat had been interpreted to be deposited from a tsunami (Smith, p. 58 in Birnie et al., 1993). Radiocarbon dates of peat next to this sand layer indicated that it was deposited around 5500 ¹⁴C yr BP, and so it appeared to be almost 2000 years younger than the Storegga tsunami.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379105000739#:~:text=The oldest is the well,above present high tide level.

The SECOND Storregga Slide.

[The Puzzler]

3500BC we see a small mega tsunami hit Great Britain.

I wonder what impact that made on them?

And why are we speaking of people Juliensis who died out 200,000 years ago anyway?

3500BC, we see a lot of activity, even more than 2500BC going on in Great Britain…

Did the Garth tsunami (second Storegga slide) affect the people more than the first?

 

[Thanos5150]

1 hour ago, The Puzzler said:

unless Juli is a place name…like Neander and Heidelberg….you can’t mix Chinese prefixes with Latin suffixes…

Its Julu not "Juli". Regardless, anyone can read of the articles themselves: 

The fossils, found at the Xujiayao site in northern China, represent a previously unknown group of humans that scientists have dubbed “Juluren” – meaning “large head people” – who lived between 200,000 and 160,000 years ago....

Paleoanthropologist Xiujie Wu from the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) and anthropologist Christopher Bae from the University of Hawai'i have called this new group the Juluren, meaning "large head people".

By combing the root "Julu" with "ensis" it now effectively is a place name meaning "place of the large headed people". 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Thanos5150

[The Puzzler]

2 minutes ago, Thanos5150 said:

Its Julu not "Juli". Regardless, anyone can read of the articles themselves: 

The fossils, found at the Xujiayao site in northern China, represent a previously unknown group of humans that scientists have dubbed “Juluren” – meaning “large head people” – who lived between 200,000 and 160,000 years ago....

Paleoanthropologist Xiujie Wu from the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) and anthropologist Christopher Bae from the University of Hawai'i have called this new group the Juluren, meaning "large head people".

By combing the root "Julu" with "ensis" it now effectively is a place name meaning "place of the large headed people". 

OK, I’ll go with that, for now. You made it seem logical, sort of. But really, we should not be mixing languages like this.

Its sanctimonious to etymology.

Pertaining to…(Latin) (place of) the large head people. (Chinese)….

[The Puzzler]

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It was the Trænadjupet tsunami that hit 2500/2400BC Great Britain, the third of the Storegga Slide type hits of this area.

Smaller no doubt but impact wise….memories of this one remain?

[cormac mac airt]

1 hour ago, The Puzzler said:

OK, I’ll go with that, for now. You made it seem logical, sort of. But really, we should not be mixing languages like this.

Its sanctimonious to etymology.

Pertaining to…(Latin) (place of) the large head people. (Chinese)….

You’re comparing apples to oranges. Etymology, the origin of words, has little to no bearing on how they are used in bi/trinomial nomenclature. 
 

cormac

Edited December 13, 2024 by cormac mac airt
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[The Puzzler]

Merry Christmas UM peeps x

Whats special about Christmas? Everything really.

It’s about accepting everyone, pagan and Christian values can be both celebrated. It’s not about omg your Christmas tree offends me, take down the mall decorations or holding onto hate for what former people did to your people, it’s showing that different people can combine to celebrate peace, love, joy and hope.

It’s about embracing everyone…as I scroll thru Facebook many ancient sites are jumping out at me….we are one. We have only been divided by regions and religions and treatment of one another.

2025 should be a time of reflection for us here, when humans roamed as one, building monumental architecture we can’t even fathom today but when mankind was the same as us, fighting, building their own cultures, speaking their own tongue.

I was intrigued by Seahenge, Norfolk from not quite 2400BC but 2000BC, maybe used as a sky burial sanctuary, which would be unusual for Britain…

I dunno, it’s hard to impart my meaning but Merry Christmas UM peeps, hope you all have a nice day xx (inserts Christmas tree emoji)

Edited December 25, 2024 by The Puzzler

[fred_mc]

On 12/13/2024 at 4:57 PM, Thanos5150 said:

Its Julu not "Juli". Regardless, anyone can read of the articles themselves: 

The fossils, found at the Xujiayao site in northern China, represent a previously unknown group of humans that scientists have dubbed “Juluren” – meaning “large head people” – who lived between 200,000 and 160,000 years ago....

Paleoanthropologist Xiujie Wu from the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) and anthropologist Christopher Bae from the University of Hawai'i have called this new group the Juluren, meaning "large head people".

By combing the root "Julu" with "ensis" it now effectively is a place name meaning "place of the large headed people". 

In Swedish, "Juluren" would mean "the Christmas clocks" 😉 .

[atalante]

8 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

I was intrigued by Seahenge, Norfolk from not quite 2400BC but 2000BC, maybe used as a sky burial sanctuary, which would be unusual for Britain…

I dunno, it’s hard to impart my meaning but Merry Christmas UM peeps, hope you all have a nice day xx (inserts Christmas tree emoji)

Puzzler,

Merry Christmas to you, too.

Seahenge II was discovered near Seahenge I; and Seahenge II was carbon dated to 2400 BCE. 

https://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146411777

Edited December 25, 2024 by atalante