France can no longer bear ‘entire burden’ of defending UK border, warns minister

[pellinore]

France has warned of a showdown with Britain over Channel migrants if a legal route for asylum seekers to come the UK is not set up.

Bruno Retailleau, the new French interior minister, warned on Friday that Britain could no longer “sub-contract” Channel border security out to Paris, according to a report by The Telegraph.

Mr Retailleau blamed Brexit for “destroying immigration cooperation” between the two countries, saying that France was ready for a “showdown” on border security.

He added: “I hope it won’t come to that, but we have to change this relationship.”

“The border between France and the United Kingdom is Europe’s common external border”, he said, adding it was “no longer possible” for France to bear the “entire burden” of defending it.

France can no longer bear ‘entire burden’ of defending UK border, warns minister on migrant crisis

Edited December 1, 2024 by pellinore

[itsnotoutthere]

I'm confused. Does that mean they are going to continue shuttle busing the migrants to the beaches or stop? 

[Alchopwn]

France hasn't done much of a border security job at all.

[stevewinn]

The whole discussion on immigration is a complete waste of time

Political parties spending tax payers money like its going out of fashion. £4 billion to France, a few billion here, a few billion there and the latest one £800,000 to Iraq to stop illegal migration, which if people have noticed its not illegal migration now, oh no, its classed as irregular migration.

It's wanted by the the deep state in Whitehall and that's that until the whole system is reformed.

The country is ready to pop, the coming job-loses and recession will be the catalyst, only 170,000 police officers in the UK. The Revolution will be televised.

 

 

 

[itsnotoutthere]

"France can no longer bear ‘entire burden’ of defending UK border, warns minister"

That really is comedy gold.

[glorybebe]

Yeah...from what has been in the news, they haven't done anything to stop migrants from setting out to Britain

[Ozymandias]

5 hours ago, glorybebe said:

Yeah...from what has been in the news, they haven't done anything to stop migrants from setting out to Britain

Why should they? These migrants don't want to stay in France. They are just passing through on their way to their desired destination, the UK. France is unfortunately the closest continental country to the UK. It's not France's fault. The UK wanted to take back control of its borders. Why doesn't the UK deal with it and stop whinging about the EU and France. 

[pellinore]

On 12/1/2024 at 12:39 PM, stevewinn said:

The whole discussion on immigration is a complete waste of time

Political parties spending tax payers money like its going out of fashion. £4 billion to France, a few billion here, a few billion there and the latest one £800,000 to Iraq to stop illegal migration, which if people have noticed its not illegal migration now, oh no, its classed as irregular migration.

It's wanted by the the deep state in Whitehall and that's that until the whole system is reformed.

The country is ready to pop, the coming job-loses and recession will be the catalyst, only 170,000 police officers in the UK. The Revolution will be televised.

Brexit is the reason why permanent immigration has rocketed, as you well know. We swapped temporary and seasonal workers from Europe for immigrants all around the world, and scrapped the Dublin Agreement so we could no longer return illegal immigrants. Your alter ego, Destination Unknown, admitted this and said it was racist to criticize it.

[pellinore]

46 minutes ago, Ozymandias said:

Why should they? These migrants don't want to stay in France. They are just passing through on their way to their desired destination, the UK. France is unfortunately the closest continental country to the UK. It's not France's fault. The UK wanted to take back control of its borders. Why doesn't the UK deal with it and stop whinging about the EU and France. 

We can't control our borders because we cut off diplomatic relations with the people on the other side. Brexiters have had a steep learning curve- the UK needs to trade with its neighbors, and borders have two sides. How could have know about these things before 2016? Oh, those boring experts, that we were tired of.

[glorybebe]

5 hours ago, Ozymandias said:

Why should they? These migrants don't want to stay in France. They are just passing through on their way to their desired destination, the UK. France is unfortunately the closest continental country to the UK. It's not France's fault. The UK wanted to take back control of its borders. Why doesn't the UK deal with it and stop whinging about the EU and France. 

It is if they are being paid to prevent the mass immigrants trying to get to Britain

[stevewinn]

13 hours ago, pellinore said:

Brexit is the reason why permanent immigration has rocketed, as you well know. We swapped temporary and seasonal workers from Europe for immigrants all around the world, and scrapped the Dublin Agreement so we could no longer return illegal immigrants. Your alter ego, Destination Unknown, admitted this and said it was racist to criticize it.

 

Brexit has nothing to do with it. It's UK Govt policy which allows it. If its happening its because they want it to happen. Two Keir free gear stated in a speech only the other day. Its not by accident we see immigration figures as they are, but its by design, open borders, a one nation experiment. Just let that sink in, a one nation experiment.

The Labour party wanted it, 1998 onwards and every govt we've had since. the last 20 odd years immigration as featured high up on the list of the Publics conerns, Both Labour and Tories have pledged in every election to tackle immigration. they fail to do so the one nation experiment doesn't just refer to the Tories time in office, it dates back to Tony Blair in 1998 immigration was running at a steady manageable pace of 49,000 a year and had been for decades, once Tony Blair and freedom of movement it had quickly risen to 300,000 each and every year for the best part of two decades, before the Brexit vote, but in that year immigration was 650,000. the Dublin agreement you keep mentioning like its the panacea of our problems, it never was when were in the EU, look up the figures how many people where returned under the Dublin agreement. from commons library 2018. 209 returned. So the agreement was not worth the paper it was written on. Also included years 2015, 2016, 2017.

 

Two Keir Starmer the harmer, on day one, DAY ONE of taking office he stopped the Tories Rwanda scheme and Bibby Stockholm. - and in a twist you couldn't make up, the facility the UK Govt built in Rwanda for processing migrants is now being used by the Germans. who you need no reminding their very much part of the EU and in the Dublin agreement but they themselves are doing Rwanda.

So, take your rose tinted glasses off. The EU was and is never the solution.

Its happening because it's UK govt policy.

If we wanted to stop Immigration we could but no political will. I Keep seeing EU supporters saying after Brexit it was take back control of our borders. - We have, and now we can hold our political leaders to account, they have nowhere to hide, if immigration is as we see it - its up to them to fix it, no blaming anyone else now, they own it.This is why if its not tackled the people will vote in a party that will. 

Brexit is doing exactly what it said on the tin holding our elected leaders accountable for their own policies. Brexit was just the start, Reform is now following. Parliament is exposed like never before, Labour, Tory a century of swapping between the two acting like mere administrators, instead of leaders of a Country, no wonder its all falling a part for them today. the country needs leaders not administrators. and nothing sums that up more than the current govt. 

Free Gear Keir as PM,

Behind the bike shed, two houses Rayner. left school at 16 pregnant, no qualifications - care worker then worked for the unison Union and ten years MP and amassed £6million pounds is beyond me. shows how rotten the whole place is.

Rachel from Accounts, C.V (resume) liar. couldnt even fill in her own tax return, and she's an economist oh, no sorry, Rachel from complaints. and shes the chancellor.

Yvette free Taylor swift tickets Cooper. and shes the home Sec.

Lies, and criminal Transport minster. liar (resigned)

Lammy the lamb, Foreign Sec.

and the list goes on.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 3, 2024 by stevewinn

[Ell]

On 12/1/2024 at 1:39 PM, stevewinn said:

its not illegal migration now,

It is an invasion. France is neglicent in not providing those New Normands with bows, spears and swords and scissors.

The English will know what to do when someone comes at them with scissors.

[pellinore]

10 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Brexit has nothing to do with it. It's UK Govt policy which allows it. If its happening its because they want it to happen. Two Keir free gear stated in a speech only the other day. Its not by accident we see immigration figures as they are, but its by design, open borders, a one nation experiment. Just let that sink in, a one nation experiment.

The Labour party wanted it, 1998 onwards and every govt we've had since. the last 20 odd years immigration as featured high up on the list of the Publics conerns, Both Labour and Tories have pledged in every election to tackle immigration. they fail to do so the one nation experiment doesn't just refer to the Tories time in office, it dates back to Tony Blair in 1998 immigration was running at a steady manageable pace of 49,000 a year and had been for decades, once Tony Blair and freedom of movement it had quickly risen to 300,000 each and every year for the best part of two decades, before the Brexit vote, but in that year immigration was 650,000. the Dublin agreement you keep mentioning like its the panacea of our problems, it never was when were in the EU, look up the figures how many people where returned under the Dublin agreement. from commons library 2018. 209 returned. So the agreement was not worth the paper it was written on. Also included years 2015, 2016, 2017.

 

Two Keir Starmer the harmer, on day one, DAY ONE of taking office he stopped the Tories Rwanda scheme and Bibby Stockholm. - and in a twist you couldn't make up, the facility the UK Govt built in Rwanda for processing migrants is now being used by the Germans. who you need no reminding their very much part of the EU and in the Dublin agreement but they themselves are doing Rwanda.

So, take your rose tinted glasses off. The EU was and is never the solution.

Its happening because it's UK govt policy.

If we wanted to stop Immigration we could but no political will. I Keep seeing EU supporters saying after Brexit it was take back control of our borders. - We have, and now we can hold our political leaders to account, they have nowhere to hide, if immigration is as we see it - its up to them to fix it, no blaming anyone else now, they own it.This is why if its not tackled the people will vote in a party that will. 

Brexit is doing exactly what it said on the tin holding our elected leaders accountable for their own policies. Brexit was just the start, Reform is now following. Parliament is exposed like never before, Labour, Tory a century of swapping between the two acting like mere administrators, instead of leaders of a Country, no wonder its all falling a part for them today. the country needs leaders not administrators. and nothing sums that up more than the current govt. 

Free Gear Keir as PM,

Behind the bike shed, two houses Rayner. left school at 16 pregnant, no qualifications - care worker then worked for the unison Union and ten years MP and amassed £6million pounds is beyond me. shows how rotten the whole place is.

Rachel from Accounts, C.V (resume) liar. couldnt even fill in her own tax return, and she's an economist oh, no sorry, Rachel from complaints. and shes the chancellor.

Yvette free Taylor swift tickets Cooper. and shes the home Sec.

Lies, and criminal Transport minster. liar (resigned)

Lammy the lamb, Foreign Sec.

and the list goes on.

So, it is just a coincidence that when we "Did Brexit" we damaged the economy and increased immigration by a huge amount? These things aren't related?

(It has nothing to do with Labour btw, they have only been in power 6 months, the Brexit damage started at the end of 2020.)

There is no point you arguing different, the plain facts are easy to see. The UK economy started tanking as soon as we put trade barriers up to our most important trading partners, and made disastrous deals with Japan, Australia and NZ. And when we swapped seasonal and temporary EU workers for permanent immigrants from India ,Africa and Asia, our immigration numbers rocketed. I just don't see how you think you can argue your way out of these obvious facts.

And why would you deny the facts? Don't you want the UK to prosper? If so, you need to support our govt. not the US one.

Facts are just facts, and the simplest graphs illustrate them. Nothing to do with Labour, all to do with Brexit. In fact, if Labour manage to get closer ties with the EU maybe they can undo some of the damage the clown Johnson inflicted on us.

[Duke Wellington]

On 12/1/2024 at 11:56 AM, itsnotoutthere said:

I'm confused. Does that mean they are going to continue shuttle busing the migrants to the beaches or stop? 

Money is tight, they are having to cut back on supplying free dinghies.

[stevewinn]

12 hours ago, pellinore said:

So, it is just a coincidence that when we "Did Brexit" we damaged the economy and increased immigration by a huge amount? These things aren't related?

(It has nothing to do with Labour btw, they have only been in power 6 months, the Brexit damage started at the end of 2020.)

There is no point you arguing different, the plain facts are easy to see. The UK economy started tanking as soon as we put trade barriers up to our most important trading partners, and made disastrous deals with Japan, Australia and NZ. And when we swapped seasonal and temporary EU workers for permanent immigrants from India ,Africa and Asia, our immigration numbers rocketed. I just don't see how you think you can argue your way out of these obvious facts.

And why would you deny the facts? Don't you want the UK to prosper? If so, you need to support our govt. not the US one.

Facts are just facts, and the simplest graphs illustrate them. Nothing to do with Labour, all to do with Brexit. In fact, if Labour manage to get closer ties with the EU maybe they can undo some of the damage the clown Johnson inflicted on us.

This Brexit effect you talk about, having left freedom of movement. The Policy of immigration comes solely under the British Govt so any immigration we see post Brexit is Govt policy. So, If immigration is running at 902,000 that's down to the British Govt wanting it to be 902,000. When members of the EU there was no EU imposed quota on Non EU immigration into the UK. So, how your trying to make out it was controlled by being in the EU is false. Non EU migration was UK Govt policy. 

I've highlight too, the Dublin agreement is null and void in any debate about illegal immigration because the numbers are insignificant.

Plus as i stated mass immigration started under Tony Blair's Labour elected 1997.

Tony Blair 1997 elected immigration 48,000.

• 1998 140,000
• 1999 163,000
• 2000 158,000
• 2001 179,000
• 2002 172,000
• 2003 185,000

Every effect since leaving the EU is down to the British Govt's Policy.

Its been 8 years since the Brexit Vote.

On choosing between the US and the EU, I believe our approach like i've said for over 20 years is to trade with Europe, be good friends and neighbours with Europe. But limit our exposure to the EU, Its a political project which is doomed to fail in its ambition. Germany and France the two biggest countries within the EU are posting poor economic numbers. This will test the EU in a whole new way like its never been tested before. Germany is in existential decline.

On the US, The US has been growing more than twice as fast as the EU. and Britain with it post Brexit Global outlook, joining the Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) for example, that part of the world Asia is the fastest growing economic region. between US Growth and Asia the UK has placed itself in a excellent position. 

By comparison Europe seems, tired worn out, war. stagnant, share of world growth and GDP falling behind others, Its almost like its a post war 1947 doctrine / ideology, a project that's had its day in the 21st century and that's because it has.

 

 

 

[itsnotoutthere]