Hamas may agree to gradual withdrawal of IDF troops from Gaza

[Claira]

Hamas is open to a ceasefire agreement and may be more open to compromise than it has previously been, according to the Saudi-owned news outlet Asharq Al-Awsat on Sunday, citing Palestinian sources familiar with the matter.

The sources reportedly noted that the terror group had indicated it would accept a gradual withdrawal of Israeli troops from the Gaza Strip, including the Philadelphi and Netzarim corridors.

During the transition period, Hamas would also accept the Palestinian Authority's control of the Rafah Crossing, the sources told the Saudi outlet.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-831464

[+and-then]

 They don't seem to have gotten the message yet, that they will have no role going forward.  Their only choice is to keep fighting to the last man or give up the hostages and be allowed to live - OUTSIDE the country.

[Gromdor]

From an outside view, it seems to me that Hamas and Israel are ready to enter back into the "rest, re-arm, and prepare for the next one" stage of their relationship.  

Israel is wantiing to gradually pull out and Hamas is willing to accept it.  I see two wants that aren't "let's keep fighting right now".

[+and-then]

6 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Israel is wantiing to gradually pull out and Hamas is willing to accept it. 

Yes, Israel wants the war over but hopefully not at the cost of going through this again in a few years.  That would be the same as spitting on the families of every soldier lost in the fight.  That must not be allowed.

[Gromdor]

9 minutes ago, and-then said:

Yes, Israel wants the war over but hopefully not at the cost of going through this again in a few years.  That would be the same as spitting on the families of every soldier lost in the fight.  That must not be allowed.

So... What has anyone done different this time from the last 50 or so times? 

[Claira]

2 hours ago, Gromdor said:

So... What has anyone done different this time from the last 50 or so times? 

The only thing that's different this time is Hamas' willingness to compromise more so than they have in the past. But they are pretty much decimated and whilst I could be wrong, I suspect that what they want more than anything is the release of a few thousand prisoners in exchange for a few hostages. That will give them the manpower they so desperately need at the moment.

[+and-then]

5 hours ago, Gromdor said:

So... What has anyone done different this time from the last 50 or so times? 

You are referring to the occasional "mowing of the grass".  I'm pretty sure that era came to an end on 10/7.  I can't imagine ANY politician succeeding to be elected who wanted to allow Hamas to survive in any form, under any other name.  The reality is that if Israel intends to survive on that land, they are simply going to have to crush every attempt by any insurgent group to rearm, train, or find funding for anything that can even be construed as a threat.  Perhaps a future peace agreement will come about where some entity outside the nation gives guarantees of protection and peace for both sides. 

Sadly, even if the UNRWA education system is removed and a new, non-propaganda version of schools were installed, it would take a generation or more to even lessen the hate in that culture.  When children are taught in the home and at mosque that Jews aren't human and are deserving of any atrocity, that influence is going to be stronger and last longer than the efforts to erase it.

[Claira]

On 12/1/2024 at 2:39 PM, and-then said:

 They don't seem to have gotten the message yet, that they will have no role going forward.  Their only choice is to keep fighting to the last man or give up the hostages and be allowed to live - OUTSIDE the country.

Looks like you were right about Hamas not getting the message. Apparently they and the PA have reached some arrangement whereby they will form a joint governing body. In their dreams.

[Claira]

I just found this article with more specifics on the 'committee' Hamas and Fatah have agreed to form and jointly run. Interestingly, I've yet to see anything on Israeli media about this.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/03/hamas-and-fatah-agree-to-create-committee-to-run-postwar-gaza-strip

[CrimsonKing]

2 minutes ago, Claira said:

I just found this article with more specifics on the 'committee' Hamas and Fatah have agreed to form and jointly run. Interestingly, I've yet to see anything on Israeli media about this.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/03/hamas-and-fatah-agree-to-create-committee-to-run-postwar-gaza-strip

It's strangely funny that Hamas just doesn't seem to get it...

[Claira]

17 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

It's strangely funny that Hamas just doesn't seem to get it...

They just don't want to get it, which is why they will hold onto the hostages for as long as they can — unless of course they can trade a few for an insanely large number of Palestinian prisoners so that they can rebuild their numbers.

[Claira]

Hamas counting number of living hostages, hostage deal negotiations enter 'final' phase - report

Hamas is attempting to determine the number of living Israeli hostages it and other terrorist groups in the Gaza Strip are holding, Palestinian sources told Saudi-owned news outlet Asharq Al-Awsat on Saturday.

The sources told Asharq Al-Awsat that Hamas leadership reached out to other groups to assess the number of living hostages.

The report comes as sources told the Hezbollah-affiliated Lebanese newspaper Al-Akhbar that hostage deal negotiations have been reported to enter a new and "final" phase.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-832330

[Claira]

Hamas has reportedly presented Egyptian mediators an initial list with the names of the hostages who would be included in a possible hostage deal, according to the London-based Qatari newspaper Al-Araby Al-Jadeed on Monday, citing a source familiar with the subject.

According to the report, the list included four hostages who hold American citizenship, in addition to hostages who are elderly and who suffer from medical conditions.

Hamas also reportedly submitted a list with the names of Palestinian prisoners.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-832606

[Kittens Are Jerks]

Don't all act surprised or shocked or anything, but...

Hamas rearming, partially rehabilitated in northern and central Gaza

Israel's security establishment in recent weeks identified Hamas restrengthening in central Gaza, Israeli state broadcaster KAN reported on Wednesday.

Security sources told KAN that Hamas is working to restore its capabilities, notably due to the lack of an effective alternative governing body in the Gaza Strip. These sources noted that Hamas has been able to partially rehabilitate itself in northern Gaza as well. 

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-833042