House COVID-19 panel releases final report: 3 key takeaways

[+OverSword]

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The House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic released its final report Monday, laying out numerous conclusions from its review of the federal pandemic response, including what the Republican-controlled panel believes to be the likely origins of the virus.

The 520-page document encompassed a wide range of issues relating to the pandemic, including vaccinations, public health guidance, state-level actions and use of relief funds. 

 

Of course this was included in the report because it's obvious to anyone that can think

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The report starts with the finding that the SARS-CoV-2 virus “likely emerged because of a laboratory or research related accident.” 

This finding was supported by remarks from people such as Robert Redfield, the former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe and former U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson, all of whom publicly stated their support for the lab leak theory. 

 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5018188-house-select-subcommittee-covid-pandemic-report/

[Ell]

If the report does not conclude that it was a scam, it is a fraudulent report.

[+Desertrat56]

4 hours ago, OverSword said:

Of course this was included in the report because it's obvious to anyone that can think

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5018188-house-select-subcommittee-covid-pandemic-report/

Of course they claim it was an "accident"  that's why they claimed it didn't get to the U.S. until 6 months after those cruise "plague" ships, that carried mostly U.S. citizens who were the only ones allowed to board planes sick to go home.  Accident my A****!  And it didn't come from a chinese facility either.  I knew that the first time our president called it "the Chinese Virus" in some media speach.

Edited December 3, 2024 by Desertrat56

[+OverSword]

11 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

And it didn't come from a chinese facility either.

Maybe you are unaware that Wuhan is in China? 

[+Desertrat56]

17 hours ago, OverSword said:

Maybe you are unaware that Wuhan is in China? 

I know exactly where WuHan is and I don't believe it came from there, if it did why were those cruise ships the first affected instead of the population of WuHan?

[glorybebe]

Well, the town is lived in had a lot of Chinese tour buses come through. Low and behold an unnamed virus hit us November and December of 2019.  I have to go with them bringing the virus over.

[+OverSword]

5 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

I know exactly where WuHan is and I don't believe it came from there, if it did why were those cruise ships the first affected instead of the population of WuHan?

You are wrong.  Remember the doctors in Wuhan that got arrested for talking about it online then forced to sign a statement that they were wrong in December 2019?

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The British-registered Diamond Princess was the first cruise ship to have a major outbreak on board, with the ship quarantined at Yokohama from 4 February 2020 for about a month. Of 3711 passengers and crew, around 700 people became infected and 9 people died.

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Edited December 4, 2024 by OverSword

[psyche101]

On 12/4/2024 at 2:41 AM, OverSword said:

Of course this was included in the report because it's obvious to anyone that can think

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5018188-house-select-subcommittee-covid-pandemic-report/

Lol that's you out of the loop then 

Your fantasy is funny. You just don't let go of your personal conspiracy theories do you. That's quite some investment. 

[+DieChecker]

On 12/3/2024 at 11:41 AM, OverSword said:

Of course this was included in the report because it's obvious to anyone that can think

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5018188-house-select-subcommittee-covid-pandemic-report/

They never did collect enough data from the Wuhan lab to disprove this theory. 

AFAIK, neither theory is the officially accepted theory. Anyone with virology credentials will say the lab leak theory is unevidenced, but can not be discarded.

[psyche101]

40 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

They never did collect enough data from the Wuhan lab to disprove this theory. 

AFAIK, neither theory is the officially accepted theory. Anyone with virology credentials will say the lab leak theory is unevidenced, but can not be discarded.

Unable to disprove a negative isn't a recommendation.

The lab leak idea is dead. 

[Ell]

In my opinion the origin of the virus - if it existed at all - does not matter. It was merely used as an excuse by a sociopath conspiracy in business and politics and science and health care to terrorize the populations with absurd measures and restrictions.

[+DieChecker]

14 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Unable to disprove a negative isn't a recommendation.

The lab leak idea is dead. 

That, sir... Is an opinion.

Even Facsi is on the record saying it can not be dismissed. Not a conspiracy theory.

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"I've also been very, very clear, and said multiple times, that I don’t think the concept of there being a lab (leak) is inherently a conspiracy theory," he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/03/science/fauci-hearing-covid-origins.html

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Dr. Fauci said, as he had previously, that he kept an open mind about the pandemic’s origins but that some lab leak theories were conspiratorial. In closed-door testimony, Dr. Fauci told the panel that, in his view, the weight of evidence pointed toward the virus originating from animals before spilling into humans outside a lab.

So not likely, but still possible, and can't be dismissed with available evidence. 

Edited December 19, 2024 by DieChecker

[Opus Magnus]

Whether the virus originated naturally, or had lab origins is not exactly irrelevant.  It is common knowledge by now that the coronavirus was studied extensively, and was manipulated with gain-of-function research in Wuhan.  Even the democrats now admit that this research was done, but they do not acknowledge that the research that was being done on the virus prior to to pandemic was the cause of the pandemic¹.  During pandemics, and any time of crisis, the public should be told only what they need to know.  It was perfectly responsible for Fauci to lie to the public in order to keep people ignorantly obeying.  This is a protocol that many jobs train employees for, because a lot of bad things can happen when you are informing the public of real danger.  Ignorance is bliss, as they say.

1.  Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic: Democrats, "EcoHealth Alliance Did Not Cause the COVID-19 Pandemic but Did Engage in Questionable Professional Conduct," Democratic Staff Report, May 2024, https://oversightdemocrats.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/democrats-oversight.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/SSCP EHA Democratic Staff Report_FINAL.pdf

[psyche101]

7 hours ago, DieChecker said:

That, sir... Is an opinion.

Even Facsi is on the record saying it can not be dismissed. Not a conspiracy theory.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/03/science/fauci-hearing-covid-origins.html

So not likely, but still possible, and can't be dismissed with available evidence. 

No, you have possible and possibility confused. 

What you copied doesn't support your argument, it supports mine. 

The lab leak idea is dead. It was just a political stunt. 

[+DieChecker]

13 hours ago, psyche101 said:

No, you have possible and possibility confused. 

What you copied doesn't support your argument, it supports mine. 

The lab leak idea is dead. It was just a political stunt. 

You're welcome to the opinion, but it's only an opinion. The only people who did even a cursory investigation on the lab were those who would be condemned highly if it was true. And whom have a known history of subterfuge of their many issues.

Just look at their current economic issues. Chinese government still says 5% growth going on when many organizations with assets on the ground in China say 0% to 1%.

They lie and lie and lie. To cover up their failures.

It's true there's little to no evidence of a leak. But effectively no one's even looked. And if they did, they're going to lie about it.

Edited December 20, 2024 by DieChecker

[Opus Magnus]

I find it hard to rule out a lab leak when the pandemic started about 5 miles away from the research facility that was conducting research on how to turn the same virus into a supervirus.  This is where the saying, "The elephant in the room," makes too much sense.

[psyche101]

9 hours ago, DieChecker said:

You're welcome to the opinion, but it's only an opinion. The only people who did even a cursory investigation on the lab were those who would be condemned highly if it was true. And whom have a known history of subterfuge of their many issues.

It's much more than opinion. It's the most likely answer backed by the professional body. 

Again, you have possibility and possible confused. Your version attempts to add weight to a conspiracy theory as opposed to facts. That's just gossip. 

9 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Just look at their current economic issues. Chinese government still says 5% growth going on when many organizations with assets on the ground in China say 0% to 1%.

They lie and lie and lie. To cover up their failures.

Got nothing to do with anything. 

All over the world the professional consensus overwhelmingly supports natural origin. China's global reports don't change that. They aren't Chinese. 

9 hours ago, DieChecker said:

It's true there's little to no evidence of a leak. But effectively no one's even looked. And if they did, they're going to lie about it.

Yes they have looked as hard as they can and everything found keeps pointing back at the market. Nothing still indicates a lab leak. That's just a silly rumour now. It's validating for the failures of anti vaxers is all. 

[psyche101]

4 hours ago, Opus Magnus said:

I find it hard to rule out a lab leak when the pandemic started about 5 miles away from the research facility that was conducting research on how to turn the same virus into a supervirus.  This is where the saying, "The elephant in the room," makes too much sense.

That would be because you are more familiar with conspiracy theories than facts. I'm sure it makes people feel clever to second guess the world's best but to many it also looks incredibly stupid and inspired by hubris. 

[Opus Magnus]

55 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

That would be because you are more familiar with conspiracy theories than facts. I'm sure it makes people feel clever to second guess the world's best but to many it also looks incredibly stupid and inspired by hubris. 

It is no longer considered a conspiracy theory that experiments were being done prior to the pandemic in Wuhan to create a corona supervirus.  It is unanimously supported that this was happening.  The Democrats released this report, but they deny that the experiments specifically funded by the EHA caused the COVID-19 pandemic.  It is absurd to completely negate the fact that the research and pandemic outbreak are correlated, an elephant in the room, and this is evidence:

The grant has been a source of controversy due to its subaward to WIV,4 which entered
the grant as EHA’s long-standing partner in collecting and sequencing natural bat CoVs.
Although the grant’s CoV collection work spanned several countries in Asia, WIV conducted the
grant’s sequencing and genetic experiments, including the creation of chimeric viruses (also
known as chimeras), which combined the backbone (i.e., the structural framework of a virus,
which is comprised of sugar and phosphate) of select natural SARS-like CoVs with the spike
protein (i.e., the portion of the outer membrane that mediates a virus’s ability to fuse to a host
organism’s cells) of other natural SARS-like CoVs. Within China, WIV also collected and tested
bat biological samples for the presence of CoVs.¹

WIV stands for Wuhan Institute of Virology

1.  Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic: Democrats, "EcoHealth Alliance Did Not Cause the COVID-19 Pandemic but Did Engage in Questionable Professional Conduct," Democratic Staff Report, May 2024, https://oversightdemocrats.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/democrats-oversight.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/SSCP EHA Democratic Staff Report_FINAL.pdf

Edited December 21, 2024 by Opus Magnus

[+DieChecker]

13 hours ago, psyche101 said:

It's much more than opinion. It's the most likely answer backed by the professional body. 

Again, you have possibility and possible confused. Your version attempts to add weight to a conspiracy theory as opposed to facts. That's just gossip. 

I'd say that I said the theory can not be dismissed. I didn't say it was likely or the most likely. YOU made those assumptions on what I posted. You are the one mixed up here, my friend.

Facsi's quote says it is NOT a conspiracy theory to consider the lab leak theory. It is possible. And as I said, was not well investigated. 

[psyche101]

12 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I'd say that I said the theory can not be dismissed.

Oh but it most certainly can. There's as much proof it was a lab leak as there is that it was a meteor. Years later there's nothing to support the idea of a lab leak. All information recovered points at the wet market. Nothing indicates lab leak because it's pure paranoia. 

12 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I didn't say it was likely or the most likely. YOU made those assumptions on what I posted. You are the one mixed up here, my friend.

You said it was possible. That's what I corrected. Possible and "a possibility" aren't the same thing and the latter is an attempt to make it seems more likely than it actually is. 

12 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Facsi's quote says it is NOT a conspiracy theory to consider the lab leak theory. It is possible. And as I said, was not well investigated. 

This is what you posted 

Dr. Fauci said, as he had previously, that he kept an open mind about the pandemic’s origins but that some lab leak theories were conspiratorial. In closed-door testimony, Dr. Fauci told the panel that, in his view, the weight of evidence pointed toward the virus originating from animals before spilling into humans outside a lab.

Where does it say what you claim? That it definitely not a conspiracy theory? 

Yes, claims that it was more than "a possibility" along with many other things, are conspiratorial in nature. How are they not? 

It was investigated to the capability provided by circumstances. Any shortfall isn't proof of a lab leak. 

[psyche101]

On 12/21/2024 at 1:54 PM, Opus Magnus said:

It is no longer considered a conspiracy theory that experiments were being done prior to the pandemic in Wuhan to create a corona supervirus.  It is unanimously supported that this was happening.  The Democrats released this report, but they deny that the experiments specifically funded by the EHA caused the COVID-19 pandemic.  It is absurd to completely negate the fact that the research and pandemic outbreak are correlated, an elephant in the room, and this is evidence:

The grant has been a source of controversy due to its subaward to WIV,4 which entered
the grant as EHA’s long-standing partner in collecting and sequencing natural bat CoVs.
Although the grant’s CoV collection work spanned several countries in Asia, WIV conducted the
grant’s sequencing and genetic experiments, including the creation of chimeric viruses (also
known as chimeras), which combined the backbone (i.e., the structural framework of a virus,
which is comprised of sugar and phosphate) of select natural SARS-like CoVs with the spike
protein (i.e., the portion of the outer membrane that mediates a virus’s ability to fuse to a host
organism’s cells) of other natural SARS-like CoVs. Within China, WIV also collected and tested
bat biological samples for the presence of CoVs.¹

WIV stands for Wuhan Institute of Virology

1.  Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic: Democrats, "EcoHealth Alliance Did Not Cause the COVID-19 Pandemic but Did Engage in Questionable Professional Conduct," Democratic Staff Report, May 2024, https://oversightdemocrats.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/democrats-oversight.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/SSCP EHA Democratic Staff Report_FINAL.pdf

Misinformation and mislabeled processes.

There links address your red herring sufficiently. 

 

https://www.ecohealthalliance.org/2024/06/ecohealth-alliances-response-to-recent-allegations#/11d1c816-aa4e-4f22-b4e1-a408c94e342c

https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/statement-misinformation-about-sars-cov-2-origins

 

[+DieChecker]

10 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Oh but it most certainly can. There's as much proof it was a lab leak as there is that it was a meteor. Years later there's nothing to support the idea of a lab leak. All information recovered points at the wet market. Nothing indicates lab leak because it's pure paranoia. 

You said it was possible. That's what I corrected. Possible and "a possibility" aren't the same thing and the latter is an attempt to make it seems more likely than it actually is. 

You say there's no evidence of a lab leak. But in actuality the CIRCUMSTATIAL evidence is impressive. 

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This is what you posted 

Dr. Fauci said, as he had previously, that he kept an open mind about the pandemic’s origins but that some lab leak theories were conspiratorial. In closed-door testimony, Dr. Fauci told the panel that, in his view, the weight of evidence pointed toward the virus originating from animals before spilling into humans outside a lab.

Where does it say what you claim? That it definitely not a conspiracy theory? 

Look at my quote of Fauci in post 12.

"I've also been very, very clear, and said multiple times, that I don’t think the concept of there being a lab (leak) is inherently a conspiracy theory," he said.

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Yes, claims that it was more than "a possibility" along with many other things, are conspiratorial in nature. How are they not? 

It was investigated to the capability provided by circumstances. Any shortfall isn't proof of a lab leak. 

That's true. But also true there's little evidence for any of the theories.

All that's certain is it spread rapidly around that Wuhan market.

Where is the origin virus? Where is the cross species animal? There's lots of likely speculation, but it is only speculation. 

No one knows where Covid19 came from before that market. Not with any real degree of certainty. 

[+Desertrat56]

Cirbumstantial evidence is NOT evidence.

[psyche101]

17 hours ago, DieChecker said:

You say there's no evidence of a lab leak. But in actuality the CIRCUMSTATIAL evidence is impressive. 

Lol no it's not. It's all racist driven speculation based on stereotyping the Chinese government. It's not impressive in any way. 

It's basically " can't trust the Chinese". That's helping nobody and not helping investigation. 

17 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Look at my quote of Fauci in post 12.

"I've also been very, very clear, and said multiple times, that I don’t think the concept of there being a lab (leak) is inherently a conspiracy theory," he said.

That's not supporting what you said. That's still very much "a possibility" as opposed to possible. And that applies to every wild theory including a comet carrying the virus. Yes, "a possibility" isn't "inherently" a conspiracy theory. Pretending it's a likely explanation is. 

17 hours ago, DieChecker said:

That's true. But also true there's little evidence for any of the theories.

All available evidence supports natural origin. A if it, not some, of a maybe. 

17 hours ago, DieChecker said:

All that's certain is it spread rapidly around that Wuhan market.

Which illustrates the market as the epicenter.

17 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Where is the origin virus? Where is the cross species animal? There's lots of likely speculation, but it is only speculation. 

And none of that changes the very fact that science is confident that the origin was natural. 

17 hours ago, DieChecker said:

No one knows where Covid19 came from before that market. Not with any real degree of certainty. 

And yet there's no better candidate than the wet market for a multitude of reasons. Still. All there has been is political nonsense that has caused confusion and made it harder to actually get real work done.