Muhammad is now the UK's favourite baby boys name

[pellinore]

It seems strange to me that traditional British names such as Henry, David, Oliver, etc. are being dropped in favour of Mohamed. It's probably to show we embrace multiculturalism and diversity.

Muhammad was today officially crowned the most popular name for baby boys in England and Wales.

More than 4,600 boys were given the specific spelling of Muhammad in 2023, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS) – almost 500 more than in 2022. 

It marked the first time that one spelling of the Islamic name has topped the naming charts, overtaking Noah. Although when the five most common iterations are grouped together, it has been the most common for over a decade, analysis suggests.

Data shows that another 3,069 boys were named Mohammed, Mohammad, Muhammed or Mohamed in 2023. 

It means, in total, 7,730 – or one in every 40 – were given the name Muhammad or one of four separate iterations ubiquitous in Islamic culture.

Britain's changing names: How variations of Muhammad became the UK's favourite name over the past 30 years - and now account for one in every 40 boys | Daily Mail Online

Edited December 5, 2024 by pellinore

[+and-then]

Well, that's unfortunate, but hardly unexpected.  That's the least of the worries the UK has concerning that population of citizens.

[Arbenol]

I could swear the Mail runs this exact story every single year.

[Setton]

9 minutes ago, Arbenol said:

I could swear the Mail runs this exact story every single year.

Not exactly surprising if the usual outrage crowd actually engaged a brain is it?

[Abramelin]

46 minutes ago, Arbenol said:

I could swear the Mail runs this exact story every single year.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly4g2v0ej6o

[Black Red Devil]

Mohammed Smith or Muhamed Jones, sounds as British as fish and chips.

[pellinore]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

Well, that's unfortunate, but hardly unexpected.  That's the least of the worries the UK has concerning that population of citizens.

12 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

Mohammed Smith or Muhamed Jones, sounds as British as fish and chips.

A few years ago we changed our immigration system to end temporary and seasonal workers from Europe; and instead have permanent immigrants from Africa, Asia and India. The morons who voted for this have changed the demographics of the UK for ever. They still insist it was the right thing, just look at @stevewinn's posts. To my mind, they are traitors to England.

[Black Red Devil]

45 minutes ago, pellinore said:

A few years ago we changed our immigration system to end temporary and seasonal workers from Europe; and instead have permanent immigrants from Africa, Asia and India. The morons who voted for this have changed the demographics of the UK for ever. They still insist it was the right thing, just look at @stevewinn's posts. To my mind, they are traitors to England.

I know, one the main aims of Brexit was to reduce immigration, which were legally coming from other EU countries and specifically eastern european EU countries.  Now you have illegal immigrants coming from non EU countries.  I'd say Brexit has failed one of it's main purposes.  You can't even blame the left for this failure, the Tories are just as responsible.

Edited December 5, 2024 by Black Red Devil

[Alchopwn]

Well, you can thank feminism for this state of affairs.  I mean, imagine naming your little boy after a known child molester? UK native born women don't breed, but all the inbred Pakistani migrant women do.  And no, I'm not being racist, but merely pointing out a huge medical issue faced by the Pakistani community specifically and Moslem communities more generally, but with diminishing frequency.

Edited December 6, 2024 by Alchopwn

[Arbenol]

3 hours ago, Abramelin said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly4g2v0ej6o

I'm not doubting it's veracity, just observing that this makes the news every year. 

[psyche101]

Children's parties must be confusing in the UK 

OI Muhammad!!!!! Time to go home!!!

 

[itsnotoutthere]

I love how Pellinore posts this as a thread and immediately follows up with his second post all about Brexit, which was obviously the whole point really. 

Edited December 6, 2024 by itsnotoutthere

[Abramelin]

7 hours ago, Arbenol said:

I'm not doubting it's veracity, just observing that this makes the news every year. 

It's the same here in The Netherlands. A list of the most popular boys and girls names, that is.

[itsnotoutthere]

8 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

Well, you can thank feminism for this state of affairs.  I mean, imagine naming your little boy after a known child molester? UK native born women don't breed, but all the inbred Pakistani migrant women do.  And no, I'm not being racist, but merely pointing out a huge medical issue faced by the Pakistani community specifically and Moslem communities more generally, but with diminishing frequency.

Yes, they did a big investigation about it on BBC many years ago. Pretty sure they wouldn't do it now.

[itsnotoutthere]

11 hours ago, Black Red Devil said:

I know, one the main aims of Brexit was to reduce immigration, which were legally coming from other EU countries and specifically eastern european EU countries.  Now you have illegal immigrants coming from non EU countries.  I'd say Brexit has failed one of it's main purposes.  You can't even blame the left for this failure, the Tories are just as responsible.

Except of course why have France, Italy, Germany, Spain & Sweden (& europe generally) all have the same problem? It would seem you can't blame Brexit either. How about we put the blame where it truly lies and that is with the leftist globalist WEF loving Soros backed governments & their leaders installed in these countries. You know, the ones that talk about banning any popular right leaning political party that looks as if they might actually stop this influx from happening. (and is why they probably do talk about banning them)

Edited December 6, 2024 by itsnotoutthere

[Black Red Devil]

1 hour ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Except of course why have France, Italy, Germany, Spain & Sweden (& europe generally) all have the same problem? It would seem you can't blame Brexit either. How about we put the blame where it truly lies and that is with the leftist globalist WEF loving Soros backed governments & their leaders installed in these countries. You know, the ones that talk about banning any right leaning political party that looks as if they might actually be popular amongst the voting public, & actually stop this influx from happening. (and is why they probably do talk about banning them)

 

Why are you comparing to countries that are part of a system (the EU) you voted to pull out of? Wasn't that the essential reason you did so? Your excuse is weak and lacks rationality.

The ECHR, which the UK is still a member of, isn't a branch of the EU so you could've argued the UK is obliged to accept refugees due to a variety of Human Rights reasons (escaping wars, authoritarian regimes etc.), forced upon you by the ECHR, but the UK isn't obliged to accept refugees and in fact the ECHR doesn't even consider immigration a Humans Rights issue. Also ECHR Laws do not override UK Laws. 

Article 46 of the ECHR puts an obligation on Member States to action judgments from the European Court of Human Rights but it is up to the State to decide how best to do this.

In the UK it is not automatically assumed that our laws will change after a ECtHR judgement because we have the principle of parliamentary sovereignty. This is the idea that Parliament is the ultimate power and can make or get rid of any law it likes. Other countries do things differently. For example, in Azerbaijan, the ECHR takes priority over national laws.

Link

In conclusion, if there are too many Mohammed's in the UK, it's because your government(s) have failed to prevent the illegal invasion and enforce UK Laws, despite Brexit and despite no forced impediment from the likes of the European Convention of Human Rights .

[itsnotoutthere]

10 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

Why are you comparing to countries that are part of a system (the EU) you voted to pull out of? Wasn't that the essential reason you did so? Your excuse is weak and lacks rationality.

The ECHR, which the UK is still a member of, isn't a branch of the EU so you could've argued the UK is obliged to accept refugees due to a variety of Human Rights reasons (escaping wars, authoritarian regimes etc.), forced upon you by the ECHR, but the UK isn't obliged to accept refugees and in fact the ECHR doesn't even consider immigration a Humans Rights issue. Also ECHR Laws do not override UK Laws. 

Article 46 of the ECHR puts an obligation on Member States to action judgments from the European Court of Human Rights but it is up to the State to decide how best to do this.

In the UK it is not automatically assumed that our laws will change after a ECtHR judgement because we have the principle of parliamentary sovereignty. This is the idea that Parliament is the ultimate power and can make or get rid of any law it likes. Other countries do things differently. For example, in Azerbaijan, the ECHR takes priority over national laws.

Link

In conclusion, if there are too many Mohammed's in the UK, it's because your government(s) have failed to prevent the illegal invasion and enforce UK Laws, despite Brexit and despite no forced impediment from the likes of the European Convention of Human Rights .

"In conclusion, if there are too many Mohammed's in the UK, it's because your government(s) have failed to prevent the illegal invasion and enforce UK Laws, despite Brexit and despite no forced impediment from the likes of the European Convention of Human Rights ."

Which underlines my point beautifully. :-

 "How about we put the blame where it truly lies and that is with the leftist globalist WEF loving Soros backed governments & their leaders installed in these countries. You know, the ones that talk about banning any popular right leaning political party that looks as if they might actually stop this influx from happening"

Thankyou.👍

 

Edited December 6, 2024 by itsnotoutthere

[Black Red Devil]

2 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

"In conclusion, if there are too many Mohammed's in the UK, it's because your government(s) have failed to prevent the illegal invasion and enforce UK Laws, despite Brexit and despite no forced impediment from the likes of the European Convention of Human Rights ."

Which underlines my point beautifully. :-

 "How about we put the blame where it truly lies and that is with the leftist globalist WEF loving Soros backed governments & their leaders installed in these countries. You know, the ones that talk about banning any popular right leaning political party that looks as if they might actually stop this influx from happening"

 

Are Tories leftists globalist WEF loving Soros backed?

[itsnotoutthere]

46 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

Are Tories leftists globalist WEF loving Soros backed?

Yes.

The last tory government were by far the most left leaning bunch we have ever had, almost indistinguishable from the current incumbents. That is why traditional conservative voters abandoned them at the ballot box & the sole reason we have the current deadwood government.

Edited December 6, 2024 by itsnotoutthere

[stevewinn]

13 hours ago, Black Red Devil said:

I know, one the main aims of Brexit was to reduce immigration, which were legally coming from other EU countries and specifically eastern european EU countries.  Now you have illegal immigrants coming from non EU countries.  I'd say Brexit has failed one of it's main purposes.  You can't even blame the left for this failure, the Tories are just as responsible.

Just one of the many benefits was leaving the freedom of movement to control mass immigration.

That was achieved, having regained that right. our elected leaders have chosen i repeat chosen an immigration policy that's allowed the numbers we see. its a deliberate choice. As easy as they allowed this to happen they can just as easily stop it, by stopping issuing visa's the 902,000 (818,00 were on visas) I think this image of 902,000 arrivals and there was nothing we could do, The govt could, they just chose not to. As I've repeatedly said its Govt policy.

 

 

[itsnotoutthere]

"Ladies and gentlemen, we are at a watershed moment in British history. For the first time since its inception under Tony Blair in 1997, a sitting Prime Minister has ‘forgotten’ to lie about the nature of mass immigration. Poised at the Downing Street lectern with the ill-deserved confidence of the Pillsbury Doughboy promoting the latest doughnut diet, Keir Starmer admitted last week that the practice was deliberate.

British MPs tend to show up about two decades late to the party on the major issues of the day: Islam, grooming gangs, immigration etc. And while Westminster’s response to the damning ONS figures has been as diverse as a Guardian columnists’ convention (and about as credible), Starmer has added a new wrinkle to the practice. Conservatives tend to talk tough on immigration on the eve of elections, Starmer has made the mistake of shooting his mouth off while comfortably in office. He may wind up regretting it.

Of course, the hypocrisy involved here is off the scale: a double, if not a triple shuffle. It’s one thing for Kemi Badenoch to wash away 14 years of wilful government negligence with the non-apology ‘we got this wrong’, but it’s quite another for Tony Blair’s successor to act as if mass immigration had nothing to do with the Labour Party. "

During last week’s speech, the Prime Minister claimed that “the vast majority of people who entered this country did so to plug gaps in our workforce”. Although, judging by the stark reality of the bottom line, one might be tempted to conclude they came here to ponce instead. According to the Centre of Migration Control, almost 1.7 Million migrants in Britain are out of work, and costing the taxpayer £8.5 Billion per annum. In addition, Nigel Farage has just revealed that only 1 in 5 legal migrants are working – how’s that boosting the economy?

https://thenewconservative.co.uk/starmer-comes-clean-on-open-borders-experiment/

Edited December 6, 2024 by itsnotoutthere

[stevewinn]

1 hour ago, itsnotoutthere said:

"Ladies and gentlemen, we are at a watershed moment in British history. For the first time since its inception under Tony Blair in 1997, a sitting Prime Minister has ‘forgotten’ to lie about the nature of mass immigration. Poised at the Downing Street lectern with the ill-deserved confidence of the Pillsbury Doughboy promoting the latest doughnut diet, Keir Starmer admitted last week that the practice was deliberate.

British MPs tend to show up about two decades late to the party on the major issues of the day: Islam, grooming gangs, immigration etc. And while Westminster’s response to the damning ONS figures has been as diverse as a Guardian columnists’ convention (and about as credible), Starmer has added a new wrinkle to the practice. Conservatives tend to talk tough on immigration on the eve of elections, Starmer has made the mistake of shooting his mouth off while comfortably in office. He may wind up regretting it.

Of course, the hypocrisy involved here is off the scale: a double, if not a triple shuffle. It’s one thing for Kemi Badenoch to wash away 14 years of wilful government negligence with the non-apology ‘we got this wrong’, but it’s quite another for Tony Blair’s successor to act as if mass immigration had nothing to do with the Labour Party. "

During last week’s speech, the Prime Minister claimed that “the vast majority of people who entered this country did so to plug gaps in our workforce”. Although, judging by the stark reality of the bottom line, one might be tempted to conclude they came here to ponce instead. According to the Centre of Migration Control, almost 1.7 Million migrants in Britain are out of work, and costing the taxpayer £8.5 Billion per annum. In addition, Nigel Farage has just revealed that only 1 in 5 legal migrants are working – how’s that boosting the economy?

https://thenewconservative.co.uk/starmer-comes-clean-on-open-borders-experiment/

The OBR found.

 

Im saying nothing.

[itsnotoutthere]

4 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

The OBR found.

 

Im saying nothing.

"I'm saying nothing"   .....Why not, you're paying for it.

[Black Red Devil]

9 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Yes.

The last tory government were by far the most left leaning bunch we have ever had, almost indistinguishable from the current incumbents. That is why traditional conservative voters abandoned them at the ballot box & the sole reason we have the current deadwood government.

 

9 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Just one of the many benefits was leaving the freedom of movement to control mass immigration.

That was achieved, having regained that right. our elected leaders have chosen i repeat chosen an immigration policy that's allowed the numbers we see. its a deliberate choice. As easy as they allowed this to happen they can just as easily stop it, by stopping issuing visa's the 902,000 (818,00 were on visas) I think this image of 902,000 arrivals and there was nothing we could do, The govt could, they just chose not to. As I've repeatedly said its Govt policy.

 

 

So the same people that gave you, Brexit, with the intent in stopping immigration, are now the ones increasing immigration?  LOL

You guys think ol' Nige is going to fix things up.   Could be, but here's my 2 cents worth, he's a weak leader and politician, but smart. He was one of the instigators of Brexit, together with Boris, who I believe admitted Brexit was a mistake BTW and created the chaos you're in, but why do you think he never stepped into a political leadership role when his popularity was at it's peak after Brexit? Because he knew he didn't have the struggle in him and the problems he would have faced.

In the end who will save your bacon will be the rising wave of Conservatist govts rising in Europe.  Refugees don't arrive in the UK on boats from North Africa, they come from France.  When Le Pen takes power, together with other Right wing govts in the EU, the tide will turn. 

But watchout what you wish for, the world has already seen what a few Nationalist/Conservative govts have done in the past.  The Left has lost it's way with immigration and other silly woke agendas IMO, so personally I'm OK with govts booting out savages that don't respect our western culture and Laws, but having people dragging us too far Right isn't good either and a risk.

[itsnotoutthere]

Well, even the Germans couldn't make socialism work, look how that ended up.