Abramelin Posted December 10, 2024 #26 Share Posted December 10, 2024 20 hours ago, Setton said: I'm curious, in your reality, where is Bethlehem located? Bethlehem was originally located in Judea. After an uprising of the Jews, the Romans decided to disperse them, and gave the area the Latin name Palestine. https://news.kehila.org/was-jesus-born-in-palestine/ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted December 10, 2024 #27 Share Posted December 10, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Abramelin said: Bethlehem was originally located in Judea. Which doesn't exist today. Where is it today? Edited December 10, 2024 by Setton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted December 10, 2024 #28 Share Posted December 10, 2024 1 minute ago, Setton said: Which doesn't exist today. Where is it today? The question was where was Jesus born. If Gilgamesh lived in Ur and you asked where did Gilgamesh live the answer is still Ur regardless of what era the question was asked. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted December 10, 2024 #29 Share Posted December 10, 2024 3 minutes ago, OverSword said: The question was where was Jesus born. If Gilgamesh lived in Ur and you asked where did Gilgamesh live the answer is still Ur regardless of what era the question was asked. The question was where Bethlehem is located. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted December 10, 2024 #30 Share Posted December 10, 2024 4 minutes ago, Setton said: The question was where Bethlehem is located. West Bank. At the time Jesus lived that was in Judea. Everyone knows that. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 10, 2024 #31 Share Posted December 10, 2024 32 minutes ago, Setton said: Which doesn't exist today. Where is it today? In former Judea, by the Romans renamed Palestine. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted December 11, 2024 #32 Share Posted December 11, 2024 7 hours ago, Setton said: The question was where Bethlehem is located. That question has already been answered, and yet you continue to ask it. Why? Furthermore, Claira has already explained the intent behind placing the baby Jesus on a keffiyeh. What more is there to discuss? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted December 11, 2024 #33 Share Posted December 11, 2024 On 12/9/2024 at 1:17 PM, HollyDolly said: Well he's an idiot and I say this as a Catholic. To me as a chistian, it only makes sense in regards to Palestinians who are christians. Just leave politics out of it. Palestinian Christians are not innocents in any of this. They too are pushing this false narrative. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted December 11, 2024 #34 Share Posted December 11, 2024 (edited) 21 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said: That question has already been answered, and yet you continue to ask it. Why? I don't. They keep answering different questions, because they know the actual answer doesn't support their cause. The answer is Palestine. Quote Furthermore, Claira has already explained the intent behind placing the baby Jesus on a keffiyeh. What more is there to discuss? She's explained her perception of the intent. *snip* Edited December 11, 2024 by Saru Removed flamebaiting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted December 11, 2024 #35 Share Posted December 11, 2024 15 hours ago, Setton said: I don't. They keep answering different questions, because they know the actual answer doesn't support their cause. The answer is Palestine. She's explained her perception of the intent. And you're the person who seems to think Jesus was somehow born after 1948. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted December 11, 2024 #36 Share Posted December 11, 2024 15 hours ago, Setton said: - post removed - You must have very selective reading/argumentative skills... In fact,I rarely see you add much of anything anywhere around here unless trying to pick a Internet fight... laughable as it is sad. Keep picking those cherries 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted December 11, 2024 #37 Share Posted December 11, 2024 (edited) 15 hours ago, Setton said: I don't. They keep answering different questions, because they know the actual answer doesn't support their cause. The answer is Palestine. That’s the answer Claira gave you when she stated that Bethlehem is a city in the Palestinian Authority. 15 hours ago, Setton said: She's explained her perception of the intent. It’s not just Claira’s ‘perception’ – it is reality. There is nothing innocent about placing Jesus on a keffiyeh. As Claira mentioned, it is part of a viscous, ongoing Palestinian disinformation campaign that seeks to rob Jesus of his Jewish heritage for no other purpose than to sever the Jewish link to their ancestral homeland. The other aim is to foment hatred and hostility towards Jews by exploiting antisemitic motifs, specifically the one where Jews killed Jesus and how the Jews of Israel continue to crucify the ‘real’ people of Jesus – the Palestinians. *snip* Edited December 11, 2024 by Saru Removed quote of (and reply to) removed comment 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted December 11, 2024 #38 Share Posted December 11, 2024 10 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: And you're the person who seems to think Jesus was somehow born after 1948. Quote please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted December 11, 2024 #39 Share Posted December 11, 2024 9 hours ago, CrimsonKing said: You must have very selective reading/argumentative skills... In fact,I rarely see you add much of anything anywhere around here unless trying to pick a Internet fight... laughable as it is sad. Given that I've often had to educate you on many issues, and one occasion you even managed to get over yourself enough to admit to learning from me, that says more about you than it does about me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted December 11, 2024 #40 Share Posted December 11, 2024 (edited) 8 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said: That’s the answer Claira gave you when she stated that Bethlehem is a city in the Palestinian Authority. Hmm. Probably why I haven't discussed it with her further, do you think? The conversation is only ongoing because others have jumped in with incorrect answers. Quote It’s not just Claira’s ‘perception’ – it is reality. There is nothing innocent about placing Jesus on a keffiyeh. As Claira mentioned, it is part of a viscous, ongoing Palestinian disinformation campaign that seeks to rob Jesus of his Jewish heritage for no other purpose than to sever the Jewish link to their ancestral homeland. The other aim is to foment hatred and hostility towards Jews by exploiting antisemitic motifs, specifically the one where Jews killed Jesus and how the Jews of Israel continue to crucify the ‘real’ people of Jesus – the Palestinians. Ok, your perception aligns with Claira's. Still just a perception. *snip* Quote So in addition to insisting that Jesus was a Palestinian, what are going to tell us next – that the last supper was not a Passover Seder but a Ramadan luncheon? Feel free to quote where I've said this. *snip* Edited December 11, 2024 by Saru Removed more replies to removed exchange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted December 11, 2024 #41 Share Posted December 11, 2024 (edited) 3 hours ago, Setton said: Given that I've often had to educate you on many issues, and one occasion you even managed to get over yourself enough to admit to learning from me, that says more about you than it does about me. You've never "educated" me on anything,on that one occasion,I admitted I was far to busy at the time to keep up with everything going on in Iraq and admitted you were correct on that one instance with ISIS... *snip* Edited December 11, 2024 by Saru Removed personal attack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted December 11, 2024 #42 Share Posted December 11, 2024 3 hours ago, Setton said: Hmm. Probably why I haven't discussed it with her further, do you think? The conversation is only ongoing because others have jumped in with incorrect answers. Ok, your perception aligns with Claira's. Still just a perception. Oh this should be good. Feel free to quote where I've said this. Everyone gets it man,you pop up in all of these Israel threads with one single political purpose... Israel=War Criminals You can rest your purple haired head easy tonight...but just because you are selling it, doesn't mean everyone is buying it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted December 11, 2024 #43 Share Posted December 11, 2024 (edited) 3 hours ago, Setton said: The conversation is only ongoing because others have jumped in with incorrect answers. Their answers were not incorrect, they just weren't the answers you wanted. 3 hours ago, Setton said: Ok, your perception aligns with Claira's. Still just a perception. Not a perception. If you had done some research prior to jumping into this conversation you would know why. *snip* Edited December 11, 2024 by Saru Removed end of deleted exchange 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted December 11, 2024 #44 Share Posted December 11, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Setton said: Quote please. here you go 13 hours ago, Setton said: I don't. They keep answering different questions, because they know the actual answer doesn't support their cause. The answer is Palestine. which didn't exist in the form you are very clearly arguing for/about until after 1948. Edited December 11, 2024 by Sir Wearer of Hats 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted December 12, 2024 #45 Share Posted December 12, 2024 3 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: which didn't exist in the form you are very clearly arguing for/about until after 1948. Perhaps a more important discussion is when a Palestinian entity and identity was first established. There is some debate among historians with some viewing the Palestinian rebellion of 1834 against the Egyptians as the beginning of it. But the prevailing view argues that Palestinian identity originated in the early part of the 20th century, over fears that Zionism would lead to a Jewish state. Either way, it's still quite recent. Although born in Bethlehem, Jesus was a Galilean from Nazareth (where he and his parents returned to, and where he was raised, after his birth). The only question regarding his identity is whether he is Judean or Galilean. The Palestinian part has no right to even enter into the equation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted December 12, 2024 #46 Share Posted December 12, 2024 https://nypost.com/2024/12/11/us-news/baby-jesus-in-a-keffiyeh-is-a-nativity-trend-causing-upset/ Yep, turning into a viral political stunt...Aka "stupidity" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted December 12, 2024 #47 Share Posted December 12, 2024 10 hours ago, CrimsonKing said: https://nypost.com/2024/12/11/us-news/baby-jesus-in-a-keffiyeh-is-a-nativity-trend-causing-upset/ Yep, turning into a viral political stunt...Aka "stupidity" It would be almost comical if it wasn't so sinister. Various Palestinian leaders have called Jesus the first Palestinian, and one even said that the greatest Palestinian in history since Jesus was Yasser Arafat. One PA leader referred to Jesus as the “first Palestinian shahid (martyr),” a claim that was especially offensive given that 'shahid' is an honour usually reserved for terrorists. They truly have no shame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZDZ Posted December 12, 2024 #48 Share Posted December 12, 2024 On 12/10/2024 at 8:39 AM, Setton said: Which doesn't exist today. Where is it today? So one theory says Judah is, despite being real places, Biblical allegory for the Christian church. It is a kind of Sister to Israel. Jeremiah 3, 7-10 even compares the cities as such but, IMO, as prophecy, it isn't much of a stretch to apply it to modern churches. . . Israel's and Judah's Unfaithfulness Jeremiah 3, 6The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot. 7And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it. 8And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. 9And it came to pass through the lightness of her *****dom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks. 10And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD. There is plenty of language in the book of Rev accusing the modern churches of the LORD playing the same harlot as Israel did. I don't think anyone here would deny the obviousness of that. Anyway, OT but it is fascinating to compare uses of Judah in the Bible with modern churches. Especially where curses are involved. 🫣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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