pellinore Posted December 17, 2024 #1 Share Posted December 17, 2024 (edited) Sir Keir Starmer has for the first time lifted the lid on his Brexit reset plans for a new defence pact with the EU. It came as the prime minister issued a rallying call to the European Union for closer defence cooperation in an exclusive interview with The Independent. As Sir Keir prepares for a Donald Trump presidency with the potential withdrawal of US support from Ukraine and Europe, he shared his vision for coordination across funding, training and the use of British troops. Sitting down with The Independent in Estonia, the prime minister said the UK must work “as effectively as we can with our partners” to bolster Ukraine’s position amid an increasingly volatile global landscape and heightened tensions with Russia. Starmer reveals plans for new EU defence pact as PM warns Ukraine war ‘already bigger than Europe’ | The Independent Edited December 17, 2024 by pellinore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diddyman68 Posted December 17, 2024 #2 Share Posted December 17, 2024 We already have a defence pact it's called nato.most if not more of the eu countries are in it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted December 17, 2024 #3 Share Posted December 17, 2024 30 minutes ago, diddyman68 said: We already have a defence pact it's called nato.most if not more of the eu countries are in it. Sounds like someone is panicking about the potential evil they think will be done by Orange Man Bad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diddyman68 Posted December 17, 2024 #4 Share Posted December 17, 2024 5 minutes ago, and-then said: Sounds like someone is panicking about the potential evil they think will be done by Orange Man Bad. Seeing as all members of the labour party spent a lot of their time calling trump worse than hitler and never expected to be voted into power,they are all now back tracking and crapping their pants trying to be all diplomatic.these career politicians are so pathetic and spineless . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted December 17, 2024 #5 Share Posted December 17, 2024 20 minutes ago, and-then said: Sounds like someone is panicking about the potential evil they think will be done by Orange Man Bad. HI And Then Trump said before that he warned to pull America out of NATO so think it is prudent to create a new plan for European security. I don't think they are panicking really and just looking at the future objectively even if it means the US is no longer a part of that future. Sure Trump runs his gums a lot so there is no confidence in anything he says. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted December 17, 2024 Author #6 Share Posted December 17, 2024 12 minutes ago, diddyman68 said: Seeing as all members of the labour party spent a lot of their time calling trump worse than hitler and never expected to be voted into power,they are all now back tracking and crapping their pants trying to be all diplomatic.these career politicians are so pathetic and spineless . You live in the UK (and so are European) yet you seem to be a Trump supporter, even though he has said he will abandon Ukraine; and pull the plug on NATO unless the Europeans up their game to his liking. To me it seems like treason to take your stance, how do you justify it? Are you planning to move to the US? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted December 17, 2024 #7 Share Posted December 17, 2024 What does he want, to be named dictator for the duration of the crisis? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted December 17, 2024 Author #8 Share Posted December 17, 2024 5 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: HI And Then Trump said before that he warned to pull America out of NATO so think it is prudent to create a new plan for European security. I don't think they are panicking really and just looking at the future objectively even if it means the US is no longer a part of that future. Sure Trump runs his gums a lot so there is no confidence in anything he says. I am amazed so many people in the UK are pro-Trump even though he says he will abandon NATO and encourage Putin to 'do what the wants'. He also is planning to put tariffs on European products. So many people in the UK are too stupid to realize they are shooting themselves in the feet by supporting populists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted December 17, 2024 Author #9 Share Posted December 17, 2024 3 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: What does he want, to be named dictator for the duration of the crisis? Who are you talking about? Putin, Trump, Starmer or someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted December 17, 2024 #10 Share Posted December 17, 2024 1 minute ago, pellinore said: Who are you talking about? Putin, Trump, Starmer or someone else? Starmer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diddyman68 Posted December 17, 2024 #11 Share Posted December 17, 2024 11 minutes ago, pellinore said: You live in the UK (and so are European) yet you seem to be a Trump supporter, even though he has said he will abandon Ukraine; and pull the plug on NATO unless the Europeans up their game to his liking. To me it seems like treason to take your stance, how do you justify it? Are you planning to move to the US? No I'm not a trump supporter,but trump hasn't said he will abandon ukraine,msm has said this.he will probably put pressure on both sides.threaten withdrawal of aid to ukraine if they don't agree to talk.and to Putin vastly increase aid to ukraine if they don't agree to talk.its called deplomacy. Regarding nato , European countries were spending less than the recommended 2% on defence ,now a few countries are upping their game.because they were expecting the US to just bail them out.it seems treasonous that even a 2.5% spending on defence to defend our continent is against your beliefs.are you planning to move to moscow ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diddyman68 Posted December 17, 2024 #12 Share Posted December 17, 2024 47 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: HI And Then Trump said before that he warned to pull America out of NATO so think it is prudent to create a new plan for European security. I don't think they are panicking really and just looking at the future objectively even if it means the US is no longer a part of that future. Sure Trump runs his gums a lot so there is no confidence in anything he says. Sure,trump runs his gums but when it comes to nato he has a valid point. What he basically said was if the other nato members don't spend what was agreed on military spending then don't expect us to save you when the crap hits the fan.fair enough imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted December 18, 2024 #13 Share Posted December 18, 2024 Hi Diddyman Yes and NATO countries stepped up which may have no bearing on whether Trump pulls the US out of NATO as he may do it anyway. He is every bit as egotistical as Putin and by isolating the US from trade partners will have a negative effect on their economy. He has said that he will put tarrifs on everyone which will affect export sales of American products. Drill baby drill but who does he think he can sell his oil to? The EU can buy from Canada and we can reduce our sales to the US just like many other products and mineral resources. Cost of new home construction and building products from my country will increase by 25% because of his tarrifs. He is dissolving trade relationships with countries that will do business with each other and reduce trade activity with the US. Right now the US is like a bunch of neurotic paraniods freaking out that things are flying in the skies thinking they are being spied on or being targeted by foreign countries accusing China and Iran. What if Trump does pull out of NATO and the US comes under some kind of conflict in their own country, who and how will Trump get help from and why would he expect anyone to help after pizzing on everyone's boots? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted December 18, 2024 #14 Share Posted December 18, 2024 6 hours ago, pellinore said: I am amazed so many people in the UK are pro-Trump even though he says he will abandon NATO and encourage Putin to 'do what the wants'. He also is planning to put tariffs on European products. So many people in the UK are too stupid to realize they are shooting themselves in the feet by supporting populists. Hopefully Trump has turned a corner on Ukraine. Kellog pointed out to him that Trump and the USA will look weak as a man who can only lift a cup with 2 hands if the broken ass Russians are allowed to win at this point. Trump has insisted that he can end the war in 1 day, and come his first day in office, we will see if he can do it.. If Putin doesn't come to the party, Trump is likely to be more bellicose than Biden ever was. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted December 18, 2024 #15 Share Posted December 18, 2024 8 hours ago, diddyman68 said: No I'm not a trump supporter,but trump hasn't said he will abandon ukraine,msm has said this.he will probably put pressure on both sides.threaten withdrawal of aid to ukraine if they don't agree to talk.and to Putin vastly increase aid to ukraine if they don't agree to talk.its called deplomacy. Time will tell whether you’re right, but one thing is certain, under a Trump presidency Ukraine will not be militarily taking back Russian occupied territories and Trump has already said Ukraine must make territorial concessions. After staking such concessions I can’t see Trump back flipping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted January 23 #16 Share Posted January 23 On 12/18/2024 at 5:40 AM, pellinore said: Sir Keir Starmer has for the first time lifted the lid on his Brexit reset plans for a new defence pact with the EU. It came as the prime minister issued a rallying call to the European Union for closer defence cooperation in an exclusive interview with The Independent. As Sir Keir prepares for a Donald Trump presidency with the potential withdrawal of US support from Ukraine and Europe, he shared his vision for coordination across funding, training and the use of British troops. Sitting down with The Independent in Estonia, the prime minister said the UK must work “as effectively as we can with our partners” to bolster Ukraine’s position amid an increasingly volatile global landscape and heightened tensions with Russia. Starmer reveals plans for new EU defence pact as PM warns Ukraine war ‘already bigger than Europe’ | The Independent Brexit reset is one thing and an EU defence pact another. A common defence policy would need to be implemented which is a problem as Europe is divided. and Without EU backed defence bonds, European defence will struggle to raise money to stand firm against rivals and enemies. I doubt these issues will be resolved soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajay0 Posted January 24 #17 Share Posted January 24 By some major coincidence, the UK economy has shown shrinkages and first back to back declines since 2020. https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/uk-economy-shrinks-in-oct-suffers-first-back-to-back-declines-since-2020-124121300478_1.html https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/uk-economy-stagnates-for-second-month-in-setback-for-starmer-19474502.htm https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/world/uk-economy-shows-no-growth-in-third-quarter-blow-to-labour-government-2024-12-23-967626 I do hope Starmer is not trying to detract attention from the ailing and stagnating economy with his concerns over european security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted January 24 #18 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, Ajay0 said: By some major coincidence, the UK economy has shown shrinkages and first back to back declines since 2020. https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/uk-economy-shrinks-in-oct-suffers-first-back-to-back-declines-since-2020-124121300478_1.html https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/uk-economy-stagnates-for-second-month-in-setback-for-starmer-19474502.htm https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/world/uk-economy-shows-no-growth-in-third-quarter-blow-to-labour-government-2024-12-23-967626 I do hope Starmer is not trying to detract attention from the ailing and stagnating economy with his concerns over european security. The UK needs to suffer a bit more before it rejoins the EU under the new name of Very Sorryland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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