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2 Oregon men die from exposure in a forest after they went out to look for Sasquatch


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Two Oregon men were found dead in a Washington state forest after they failed to return from a trip to look for Sasquatch, authorities said Saturday.

The 59-year-old and 37-year-old appear to have died from exposure, the Skamania County Sheriff’s Office said via Facebook. The weather and the men’s lack of preparedness led the office to draw that conclusion, it said.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/2-oregon-men-die-exposure-forest-after-sasquatch-117172249

No report of any Sasquatch sighting.

 

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They are really too old to be that stupid but then again, common sense now days seems to be almost as rare as teh non-existent bigfoot.

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1 hour ago, Ell said:

It is a horrible way to die.

I agree and I didn't mean to sound callous or uncaring in my earlier reply but hunting for anything is not anything you undertake at the spur-of-the-moment; even if it is just a few hours it only takes a short while to make sure you have proper clothing, a fully charged phone, some food even if it is trail mix and just a few basic supplies that can fit in a small duffel bag.

That carelessness hurt everyone. So easily avoidable. I feel bad for the family.

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Internet Bigfoot experts.    Some people think that humans are a lot more invincible than we really are.  What we don't know can kill us.  We are vulnerable, so if we want to survive we plan and take precautions, these guys did not it appears.  Being lost and cold is  a lot more dangerous than a Bigfoot encounter.  Its sad, I feel for their families.

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1 hour ago, Piney said:

Link seems to be broke...

It’s working now, but not much info.  Location = Gifford Pinchot which is a squatchy location.  Many sightings have occurred there, and of course the famous Skookum Meadows.  Skookum being the name of sasquatch given by the Native Americans of the region.

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2 minutes ago, Bendy Demon said:

I agree and I didn't mean to sound callous or uncaring in my earlier reply but hunting for anything is not anything you undertake at the spur-of-the-moment; even if it is just a few hours it only takes a short while to make sure you have proper clothing, a fully charged phone, some food even if it is trail mix and just a few basic supplies that can fit in a small duffel bag.

That carelessness hurt everyone. So easily avoidable. I feel bad for the family.

Ditto.  I had the same thought.

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2 minutes ago, Guyver said:

It’s working now, but not much info.  Location = Gifford Pinchot which is a squatchy location.  Many sightings have occurred there, and of course the famous Skookum Meadows.  Skookum being the name of sasquatch given by the Native Americans of the region.

Yeah, some famous tabloid encounters there.   Winter is not the time  though.  Even Bigfoot is smart enough to come in out of the snow.  If you want to look for bigfoot, go when the huckleberries are ripe.  At the very least you can bring home a bucket of delicious berries.  I'll tell you another thing about the Gifford, mushroom season is dangerous. Since mushrooms became so widely desirable and valuable, mushroom hunters have taken to guarding their claims and taking pot shots at interlopers. Just as bad as the dope plantations used to be in Southern Oregon. 

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2 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Yeah, some famous tabloid encounters there.   Winter is not the time  though.  Even Bigfoot is smart enough to come in out of the snow.  If you want to look for bigfoot, go when the huckleberries are ripe.  At the very least you can bring home a bucket of delicious berries.  I'll tell you another thing about the Gifford, mushroom season is dangerous. Since mushrooms became so widely desirable and valuable, mushroom hunters have taken to guarding their claims and taking pot shots at interlopers. Just as bad as the dope plantations used to be in Southern Oregon. 

Yes.  And to add, there is the Indian Heaven Wilderness, a Native American place that is preserved for them there, and those berries were picked by the Native Americans who often spoke of encountering the skookum there.  I once hiked Indian Heaven wilderness in the summertime, it has never been logged and so is an original old growth forest.  Somewhere in that forest is a place we made it into, where the Native Americans used to have something like our Olympic Games.  We found their old horse race track.  It was awesome.

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If anyone would like more information about the Indian Heaven wilderness, I recommend a book written by Mel Hansen called “Indian Heaven Back Country.  He hiked, catalogued, and mapped every trail, and restored many trails.  There are stories of backpackers, and I believe either Hansen or his good friend who encountered sasquatch in that location.  One occurred at a place called Cultus Lake, I did hike in that far myself, and though I did not encounter sasquatch there myself, it was a very memorable experience.

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24 minutes ago, Guyver said:

Yes.  And to add, there is the Indian Heaven Wilderness, a Native American place that is preserved for them there, and those berries were picked by the Native Americans who often spoke of encountering the skookum there.  I once hiked Indian Heaven wilderness in the summertime, it has never been logged and so is an original old growth forest.  Somewhere in that forest is a place we made it into, where the Native Americans used to have something like our Olympic Games.  We found their old horse race track.  It was awesome.

That's cool! 

Our original powwows were held at our old pony track from the 1700s. 

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1 hour ago, Piney said:

That's cool! 

Our original powwows were held at our old pony track from the 1700s. 

It’s amazing how those tracks have survived after all these years.  It’s off limits to motor vehicles so that’s one explanation.  One thing I remember about that hike is my most valuable piece of gear was my mosquito proof face mask.  Never seen so many mosquitoes in my life.

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5 hours ago, Guyver said:

Yes.  And to add, there is the Indian Heaven Wilderness, a Native American place that is preserved for them there, and those berries were picked by the Native Americans who often spoke of encountering the skookum there.  I once hiked Indian Heaven wilderness in the summertime, it has never been logged and so is an original old growth forest.  Somewhere in that forest is a place we made it into, where the Native Americans used to have something like our Olympic Games.  We found their old horse race track.  It was awesome.

...which Native Americans talked about encountering skookum?

I ask because as far as I can tell it was a seasonal site and used by the Yakama, Klickitat, Cascades, Wasco, Wishram, and Umatilla tribes.   The only reference I find to a tribe from that area and Bigfoot is the Yakima tribe and the reference doesn't sound much like the modern version.

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3 hours ago, Kenemet said:

...which Native Americans talked about encountering skookum?

I ask because as far as I can tell it was a seasonal site and used by the Yakama, Klickitat, Cascades, Wasco, Wishram, and Umatilla tribes.   The only reference I find to a tribe from that area and Bigfoot is the Yakima tribe and the reference doesn't sound much like the modern version.

According to the author I referenced earlier, it was the summer meeting place for northwest Indian tribes who came to pick huckleberries, race horses, play games, make baskets, hunt, make jerky, tan hides, and fish in the lakes.  The local tribe was Siwash and they were joined by tribes as far away as Montana, but most came from the Dalles, Yakima, and Warm Springs.  
 

I checked two sources on the skookum accounts of Native Americans and the word…couldn’t find it.  Im wondering if it was from the account of Teddy Roosevelt’s experience….or if it was from Lauren Coleman…or other.. I would have to do more research to state which tribe originally used the word Skookum, but I do know that it is not very far from Skookum Meadows to Indian Heaven Wilderness, and St. Helens. So, I’ll do a little more research and see what I can find.

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Doing a little more reading…that place I hiked into was a famous racetrack among the Native Americans, and they would bring their fastest horses and best riders and compete with one another.  I will quote from the book by Hansen.

A favorite camping spot was the Indian Race Track, a huge meadow located at the base of Red Mountain, and one half-mile west of the Pacific Crest National Scenic Trail No.2000. An Indian named Alec Silas reported seeing thousands of Indians on the Crest Trail during the summers of 1903 through 1905.  It goes on to describe a newspaper report from a pioneer named George Beetsch and family who visited the location in 1911.

I went there myself and hiked into the race track.

I think that was very cool of the Native Americans.
 

 

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4 hours ago, Kenemet said:

...which Native Americans talked about encountering skookum?

I ask because as far as I can tell it was a seasonal site and used by the Yakama, Klickitat, Cascades, Wasco, Wishram, and Umatilla tribes.   The only reference I find to a tribe from that area and Bigfoot is the Yakima tribe and the reference doesn't sound much like the modern version.

The internet says it comes from the Chinook.

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56 minutes ago, Guyver said:

The internet says it comes from the Chinook.

And they didn't live in that area.  Anytime someone links a modern cryptid to Native Americans, I become rather suspicious of the source.

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30 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

And they didn't live in that area.  Anytime someone links a modern cryptid to Native Americans, I become rather suspicious of the source.

According to this link, they were due to the fact that many groups of that region spoke the same language.  
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinookan_peoples

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2 hours ago, Guyver said:

According to this link, they were due to the fact that many groups of that region spoke the same language.  
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinookan_peoples

Speaking the same language family doesn't mean having the same mythology and beliefs.  Again, this is why I tend to be quite suspicious of claims similar to "Native Americans had legends of giants" because a lot of those legends really aren't stories of tribes of giant people but of individual creatures of impossible size (like the Dene legend where there's roads and trees and landscape in the belly of the giant https://www.ya-native.com/Culture_SouthWest/legends-navajo/CoyotekillsaGiant.html ) or the windigo (https://backstoryradio.org/blog/the-mythology-and-misrepresentation-of-the-windigo/#:~:text=The windigo%2C sometimes spelled wendigo,insatiable taste for human flesh.)

I know that there's legends of sasquatch-types among some tribal groups.  But I am skeptical that a lot of Native Americans had legends of Bigfoot.

Perhaps @Pineycan weigh in on this?

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3 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Speaking the same language family doesn't mean having the same mythology and beliefs.  Again, this is why I tend to be quite suspicious of claims similar to "Native Americans had legends of giants" because a lot of those legends really aren't stories of tribes of giant people but of individual creatures of impossible size (like the Dene legend where there's roads and trees and landscape in the belly of the giant https://www.ya-native.com/Culture_SouthWest/legends-navajo/CoyotekillsaGiant.html ) or the windigo (https://backstoryradio.org/blog/the-mythology-and-misrepresentation-of-the-windigo/#:~:text=The windigo%2C sometimes spelled wendigo,insatiable taste for human flesh.)

I know that there's legends of sasquatch-types among some tribal groups.  But I am skeptical that a lot of Native Americans had legends of Bigfoot.

Perhaps @Pineycan weigh in on this?

Stone Giants, Woman Screamers, Solid Face all are described differently yet are "classified" as Bigfeet by crypto guys. 

There are a lot more. But some tribes don't have big hairy people in their myths. 

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I wonder if I might have actually met these two in my adventures in the PNW.

Tragic and sad, but clearly these two had no idea how to conduct a proper prolonged expedition.

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16 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Speaking the same language family doesn't mean having the same mythology and beliefs.  Again, this is why I tend to be quite suspicious of claims similar to "Native Americans had legends of giants" because a lot of those legends really aren't stories of tribes of giant people but of individual creatures of impossible size (like the Dene legend where there's roads and trees and landscape in the belly of the giant https://www.ya-native.com/Culture_SouthWest/legends-navajo/CoyotekillsaGiant.html ) or the windigo (https://backstoryradio.org/blog/the-mythology-and-misrepresentation-of-the-windigo/#:~:text=The windigo%2C sometimes spelled wendigo,insatiable taste for human flesh.)

I know that there's legends of sasquatch-types among some tribal groups.  But I am skeptical that a lot of Native Americans had legends of Bigfoot.

Perhaps @Pineycan weigh in on this?

I understand why you would be suspicious.  The unfortunate outcome of our dealings as Americans with those who were here before us is just devastating.  But we live in the future, and cannot undo the past.  But we can study it with science and do our best.  In my own case, where I live, the Chumash People were pretty much “enslaved” by the Catholics, made to convert or be persecuted, and the combination of that plus lack of resistance to European diseases, pretty much wiped out there language.  I could be wrong on that point, and the elders of the tribe, or other informed people could correct me….but I do know this.  The pictographs which their ancestors left behind are still available to us today.  Some have been preserved formally, as in Painted Cave just outside of Santa Barbara, and others remain deep in the Los Padres National Forest, and are partially protected.  I have been two both places and camped in the latter, in my own form of respectful personal ceremony in honor of the Natives.  Anyway, I have studied the pictographs myself, read the opinions of “experts” on the matter, and realize, that it is very hard to understand what the actual meaning of the pictures are.

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