It's time the UK becomes the 51st state of the US (Telegraph)

[pellinore]

Governing the world is, for us, yesterday’s dream. Our territorial squabbles no longer define the course of history, but rather provide an opportunity for our leaders to provide yet more pointless concessions to foreign states.

The divergence between our two nations will only become more obvious as Britain flounders under Starmerism while America faces a rebirth under Trump’s Make America Great Again agenda. In short, we’d be lucky to be granted a deal like Trump’s (semi-) humorous offer to absorb Canada into the American Union as the 51st state. 

Besides, if any Anglosphere nation should merge with the US, it should surely be Britain.

It's time to become the 51st state of the US

Edited December 31, 2024 by pellinore

[pellinore]

I'd love to visit the US- it is huge, but I'd like to visit NY (just to say I have been there), California, the Southern States,- if Donny forges closer ties with the UK I'm all for it! If the cost is pus in milk, hormones in beef, or unaffordable healthcare, who cares? No one lives forever, as the Second Amendment guarantees. 

[Alchopwn]

2 hours ago, pellinore said:

Governing the world is, for us, yesterday’s dream. Our territorial squabbles no longer define the course of history, but rather provide an opportunity for our leaders to provide yet more pointless concessions to foreign states.

If the UK wants to turn around economically, try declaring war on the USA, and surrender quickly.

[stevewinn]

The US growth has been double that of the EU.

productivity much higher too, the US is competing with China. the EU is faltering.

The UK needs to align more with the USA, our natural partner and NOT focus on unnatural partners that are based on proximity.

The UK needs our own make Britain great again movement.

We need to make energy cheap for domestic and industry. The Chinese steel industry releases more C02 in three months than the entire UK as a country does in 12 months. just let that sink in, and that's just one industry in China. China Has released more C02 into the atmosphere in 8 years, yes 8 years, than the UK has in 270 years. Let that sink in.

and here we are making ourselves poorer, and what seem to be a policy of de-industrialising our economy, which will lead to poorer living standards here in the UK.

the UK needs energy independence and so remove ourselves from paying international prices on domestic energy.

in our headlong rush to net zero, where as i've said, the UK is now run by lawyers, the UK passed laws to meet net zero targets. which means the Govt can be challenged and force to pay compensation to anyone who brings a case against the govt if we dont meet our self imposed targets. where other countries simply singed up to international targets the UK went one further and in the process raised prices for ourselves. - remember its thanks to the people we elected.

Electricity prices $ per KWhr

• UK   0.47
• USA 0.14
• France. 0.19
• India  0.13
• Brazil  0.12

Gas  prices per Kwhr

• U.K.   0.11
• USA 0.04
• Canada  0.02
• Japan 0.08

 

In 2024 the average US worker will have generated about $171,000 in economic output, compared with $120,000 in the euro area (on purchasing-parity terms), That’s a big gap that’s been getting much bigger in recent decades. Since 1990, labour productivity has risen by 70% in the US, compared with 46% in the UK, 29% in the EU and 25% in Japan. A frequent objection is that US productivity is overstated since US workers get much less holiday time than their peers abroad. But even on a per-hour basis, the gap remains sizeable – there’s been 73% productivity growth for US workers since 1990 versus 55% in the UK, 39% in the euro area and 55% in Japan. And since the financial crisis of 2008-2009, US productivity has grown by 30%, more than three times the rate in the eurozone and the UK.

https://moneyweek.com/economy/us-economy/us-economy-pulling-ahead-of-europe

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by stevewinn

[Setton]

15 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

in our headlong rush to net zero,

And the alternative is an unlivable climate, increased refugee movements, war, famine and death.

But yay the surviving handful will have more money...

[stevewinn]

37 minutes ago, Setton said:

And the alternative is an unlivable climate, increased refugee movements, war, famine and death.

But yay the surviving handful will have more money...

I've been a Planateer since a child, and a reduction in pollution of the natural world, and i've even ordered my first EV, delivery first quarter 2025. (though how environmental friendly that is i dont know.) and in a previous job planted well over 3,000 trees. i must be carbon neutral for a good few years into the future, Octopus tell me since i've been with them, i've saved the carbon equivalent to 800 trees,   

But the govt has to be realistic in what is achievable and on a time scale for the people living today. rising costs, losing jobs by the hundreds of thousands, closing industries and then importing from elsewhere which makes the UK more carbon neutral on paper BUT is producing more C02 by importing is not really achieving the goal is it.

the UK could be net zero tomorrow. by March that will have been made up by China, alone.

The UK will achieve its targets and it wont matter a jot. oh well, lets live **** lives for those who may never be born.

 

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by stevewinn

[+Desertrat56]

5 hours ago, pellinore said:

Governing the world is, for us, yesterday’s dream. Our territorial squabbles no longer define the course of history, but rather provide an opportunity for our leaders to provide yet more pointless concessions to foreign states.

The divergence between our two nations will only become more obvious as Britain flounders under Starmerism while America faces a rebirth under Trump’s Make America Great Again agenda. In short, we’d be lucky to be granted a deal like Trump’s (semi-) humorous offer to absorb Canada into the American Union as the 51st state. 

Besides, if any Anglosphere nation should merge with the US, it should surely be Britain.

It's time to become the 51st state of the US

Trump lies!   He doesn't even know why America was ever great so roll up your sleeves and figure out what needs to change for your country to be ok (no more empirialists).   It sounds like you are missing the empire but it was rotten to the core from the start so just do what you can to clean house.

[+Desertrat56]

@stevewinn right off the bat that price of electricity chart is wrong, even if you are using pounds or euros instead of U.S. dollars, no one pays that little for electricity in the U.S.   And the price varies greatly depending on what part of the country you are in and what the main source of electricity is.  Texas has the best set up and the best prices but even they charge more than 14 cents a killowat hour.   I live in New Mexico and last month it was 15.5 cents per Kwhr, but it changes every month and it has not been lower in a long time.   Last January the electric company charged everyone almost 1 dollar per kwhr, they got sued and we got our money back.   Ask someone in California or Virginia how much they pay per kwhr, where nuclear plants supply the electricity.  And if the U.S. ecconoomy is actually pulling ahead of the UK I feel very badly for you all, because prices of everything excep gasoline and electricity have trippled in the last 2 years.

Edited December 31, 2024 by Desertrat56

[stevewinn]

32 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

@stevewinn right off the bat that price of electricity chart is wrong, even if you are using pounds or euros instead of U.S. dollars, no one pays that little for electricity in the U.S.   And the price varies greatly depending on what part of the country you are in and what the main source of electricity is.  Texas has the best set up and the best prices but even they charge more than 14 cents a killowat hour.   I live in New Mexico and last month it was 15.5 cents per Kwhr, but it changes every month and it has not been lower in a long time.   Last January the electric company charged everyone almost 1 dollar per kwhr, they got sued and we got our money back.   Ask someone in California or Virginia how much they pay per kwhr, where nuclear plants supply the electricity.  And if the U.S. ecconoomy is actually pulling ahead of the UK I feel very badly for you all, because prices of everything excep gasoline and electricity have trippled in the last 2 years.

 figures published by the Energy Information Admin in the US. I noted the complexity in price difference across the country.

The UK under this new Govt and their economic policy is set to do irreparable damage to the UK economy. Do not be surprised if were are not visiting the IMF in the future.

Edited December 31, 2024 by stevewinn

[+Desertrat56]

29 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

 figures published by the Energy Information Admin in the US. I noted the complexity in price difference across the country.

The UK under this new Govt and their economic policy is set to do irreparable damage to the UK economy. Do not be surprised if were are not visiting the IMF in the future.

I suspect that is happening all over the world (at least in the 1st world countries).  What is the IMF?

Edited December 31, 2024 by Desertrat56

[Setton]

5 hours ago, stevewinn said:

 Do not be surprised if were are not visiting the IMF in the future.

I guarantee I'll not be surprised if we are not visiting the IMF in the near future...

[Unusual Tournament]

12 hours ago, pellinore said:

Governing the world is, for us, yesterday’s dream. Our territorial squabbles no longer define the course of history, but rather provide an opportunity for our leaders to provide yet more pointless concessions to foreign states.

The divergence between our two nations will only become more obvious as Britain flounders under Starmerism while America faces a rebirth under Trump’s Make America Great Again agenda. In short, we’d be lucky to be granted a deal like Trump’s (semi-) humorous offer to absorb Canada into the American Union as the 51st state. 

Besides, if any Anglosphere nation should merge with the US, it should surely be Britain.

It's time to become the 51st state of the US

Merge with Canada and join the EU. The UK’s power would times 3

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Wouldn’t joining the Union mean ditching the inbred parasites Royal Family? 
That means they’d have to go somewhere … OHH GOD THEY MIGHT COME HERE!! no, you lot becoming American is a terrible idea! 

[CrimsonKing]

5 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Wouldn’t joining the Union mean ditching the inbred parasites Royal Family? 
That means they’d have to go somewhere … OHH GOD THEY MIGHT COME HERE!! no, you lot becoming American is a terrible idea! 

What a wonderful idea, sending the "Royalty" down under...

No worries,after Trump deports Harry, things will only be so much better 😁 😆

[psyche101]

22 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

What a wonderful idea, sending the "Royalty" down under...

No worries,after Trump deports Harry, things will only be so much better 😁 😆

What would they do? 

We already have a queen and king.

Here's the British queen meeting the Australian queen 

 

And our King, King Wally Lewis 

 

 

 

The positions have been filled.

[Duke Wellington]

23 hours ago, pellinore said:

Governing the world is, for us, yesterday’s dream. Our territorial squabbles no longer define the course of history, but rather provide an opportunity for our leaders to provide yet more pointless concessions to foreign states.

The divergence between our two nations will only become more obvious as Britain flounders under Starmerism while America faces a rebirth under Trump’s Make America Great Again agenda. In short, we’d be lucky to be granted a deal like Trump’s (semi-) humorous offer to absorb Canada into the American Union as the 51st state. 

Besides, if any Anglosphere nation should merge with the US, it should surely be Britain.

It's time to become the 51st state of the US

And why not CANZUKUS?

[stevewinn]

17 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

I suspect that is happening all over the world (at least in the 1st world countries).  What is the IMF?

International monetary fund.

The current Labour Govt want to take us back to 1976, when the then Labour govt had to borrow from the IMF.

 

 

 

[+Desertrat56]

4 hours ago, stevewinn said:

International monetary fund.

The current Labour Govt want to take us back to 1976, when the then Labour govt had to borrow from the IMF.

 

 

 

Well, like I said, stuff is happening in all the first world countries.  We have congress people and a new president that want to take us back to the  50's.   Idiots, all of them.

[Duke Wellington]

It would be quite something if after 200 years since the split, and the more recent fragmentations if Trump and Farage put our realm back together.

I could vote for that, but never the Franco-Prussian empire. Of course the flag would need updating and the name of it - `The United States of America and Empire of Great Britain` or `The Anglo-American Realm` would be good.

Edited January 2 by Duke Wellington

[+DieChecker]

I don't think the UK would be just one state, but probably four...

England, Scotland, Wales, and N. Ireland. That's four.

Maybe just take England and Wales though. Scotland wants to go it's own way, and N Ireland... Isn't it more trouble than its worth. 

[+Desertrat56]

8 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I don't think the UK would be just one state, but probably four...

England, Scotland, Wales, and N. Ireland. That's four.

Maybe just take England and Wales though. Scotland wants to go it's own way, and N Ireland... Isn't it more trouble than its worth. 

There would be no benefit to the U.S. to even think about taking on the UK as any number of states.   It is just as idiotic as the the comment about absorbing Canada into the U.S.   It is a joke.

[+DieChecker]

8 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

There would be no benefit to the U.S. to even think about taking on the UK as any number of states.   It is just as idiotic as the the comment about absorbing Canada into the U.S.   It is a joke.

So... You think all of the UK is just trash? OK than...

[Duke Wellington]

A reunified Anglo-realm would be good.

The USA would benefit from the resource base of Australia and Canada, and the financial sector of the UK. And we would all benefit from the lower taxes. The new entity would quickly go up to a GDP of $40 trillion USD.

Edited January 4 by Duke Wellington

[+Desertrat56]

4 hours ago, DieChecker said:

So... You think all of the UK is just trash? OK than...

What?  Who said anything about trash?    You must be in a weird mood to make that leap.

[+DieChecker]

3 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

What?  Who said anything about trash?    You must be in a weird mood to make that leap.

I think it's implied here...

16 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

There would be no benefit to the U.S. to even think about taking on the UK as any number of states.   It is just as idiotic as the the comment about absorbing Canada into the U.S.   It is a joke.

Why would there be no benefit, unless it would be the opposite? Implying the UK would hurt the US. Meaning "trash" to absorb/Unite with.