Trump muses over renaming Gulf of Mexico ‘Gulf of America’

[Guyver]

Just now, Gromdor said:

That was dumb of them.  To hear MAGA talk, they should have used it to kill Americans.  They totally missed their window.

I was trained on tanks but was pulled from the field to serve at headquarters.  We were taught that if we ever had to leave a tank behind we destroy the tracks and the canon.

[Gromdor]

Just now, Guyver said:

I would have thought that even in AF basic, though admittedly not super difficult…you still would have had some combat training and been advised not to leave gear where the enemy could use it.

We were told not to worry about it because if the enemy could get it, we would already be dead and have lost the war- because we are deep back line.  

They also told us pleasant things like, "Your life expectancy once the base gets attacked is about a minute and a half."

[Guyver]

2 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

We were told not to worry about it because if the enemy could get it, we would already be dead and have lost the war- because we are deep back line.  

They also told us pleasant things like, "Your life expectancy once the base gets attacked is about a minute and a half."

Well that is just soft.

[Gromdor]

2 minutes ago, Guyver said:

I was trained on tanks but was pulled from the field to serve at headquarters.  We were taught that if we ever had to leave a tank behind we destroy the tracks and the canon.

A small detail that everyone forgets- The seven billion in military gear "left behind" wasn't actually ours but what we gave the Afghan government to defend themselves: https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/politics/afghan-weapons-left-behind/index.html#:~:text=Approximately %247 billion of military equipment the US,report from the US Department of Defense

So it wasn't even in the possession of US troops to disable.

The stuff left behind by US troops was disabled: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-58393763

[Gromdor]

1 minute ago, Guyver said:

Well that is just soft.

I was at a joint base.  We would eat breakfast and drink coffee while watching the army do their morning PT (Airforce doesn't do PT).

[Guyver]

2 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

I was at a joint base.  We would eat breakfast and drink coffee while watching the army do their morning PT (Airforce doesn't do PT).

Sigh.  OMG?!

[Agent0range]

There were nowhere near enough Soldiers left to do anything about the equipment.

Edited January 9 by Agent0range

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

That was dumb of them.  To hear MAGA talk, they should have used it to kill Americans.  They totally missed their window.

No, people are more important than gear.  We evacuated our troops and 100,000+ of our Afghan allies, people that sided with us during the war.  People don't talk about it, but that was a duty that we fulfilled, treating our friends as friends and not disposable garbage that we are done with as some other administrations have.  Equipment is disposable garbage when choices need to be made between lives and gear. You don't abandon your friends. That is something most military people do know..

[Guyver]

34 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

No, people are more important than gear.  We evacuated our troops and 100,000+ of our Afghan allies, people that sided with us during the war.  People don't talk about it, but that was a duty that we fulfilled, treating our friends as friends and not disposable garbage that we are done with as some other administrations have.  Equipment is disposable garbage when choices need to be made between lives and gear. You don't abandon your friends. That is something most military people do know..

That gear cost American taxpayers working hard for a living every day billions of dollars. It was grossly wasteful and irresponsible.

Edited January 9 by Guyver

[Tatetopa]

33 minutes ago, Guyver said:

That gear cost American taxpayers working hard for a living every day billions of dollars. It was grossly wasteful and irresponsible.

Dude of course.  But once it is bought it is written off.  The only way taxpayers will ever get relief is by not buying the equipment in the first place. 

Like a new car, once you drive it off the lot, it loses value.  And it makes some sense, If the military is  tasked with a dangerous, cannot fail mission, do you want them to take the newest gear or used stuff that has been sitting in the desert for a couple of years?

The Taliban can't maintain that equipment.  It will be scrap metal in a year or two anyway.  Even if we brought it back, its life would be short.

Unless we become like the Russians so destitute  and desperate that they field WWII era tanks  in a modern battlefield.

[Tatetopa]

45 minutes ago, Guyver said:

That gear cost American taxpayers working hard for a living every day billions of dollars. It was grossly wasteful and irresponsible.

I am going to cut my logical reasoning for leaving equipment and go to the issue. Evacuation flights are limited, space is limited.  You prioritize people, not equipment.   Imagine the justifiable conflagration back here if GI's were killed  in Afghanistan trying to salvage hummers and tanks. 

When the house is on fire, do you save your family or your year old TV?

[Guyver]

4 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Dude of course.  But once it is bought it is written off.  The only way taxpayers will ever get relief is by not buying the equipment in the first place. 

Like a new car, once you drive it off the lot, it loses value.  And it makes some sense, If the military is  tasked with a dangerous, cannot fail mission, do you want them to take the newest gear or used stuff that has been sitting in the desert for a couple of years?

The Taliban can't maintain that equipment.  It will be scrap metal in a year or two anyway.  Even if we brought it back, its life would be short.

Unless we become like the Russians so destitute  and desperate that they field WWII era tanks  in a modern battlefield.

Well said, but you know….this thing about being wasteful with money really bothers me.  I’ve lived my life by working hard, and not wasting money.  I’ve never filed for bankruptcy after maxing out my credit cards….I’ve never jacked up my credit cards at all.  I’ve lived within my means and practiced frugality.  But that’s not what the government does.  It just wastes and spends, and spends, as if money were nothing. It’s not nothing.  It represents the blood, sweat and tears of hard working Americans and I am sick and tired of this BS.  The government should be as fiscally responsible as a normal responsible citizen, not the opposite.

[Guyver]

1 minute ago, Tatetopa said:

I am going to cut my logical reasoning for leaving equipment and go to the issue. Evacuation flights are limited, space is limited.  You prioritize people, not equipment.   Imagine the justifiable conflagration back here if GI's were killed  in Afghanistan trying to salvage hummers and tanks. 

When the house is on fire, do you save your family or your year old TV?

Again, your point is taken….but it wasn’t a fire.  The withdrawal should have been properly planned and executed.

[Gromdor]

3 hours ago, Guyver said:

Again, your point is taken….but it wasn’t a fire.  The withdrawal should have been properly planned and executed.

That's not quite how I recall it.  I remember the Afghan government collapsing and us rushing to evacuate our personnel and those that supported the old Afghan government.

Granted, I also remember the Taliban being all nice and setting up checkpoints and filtering people through to evacuate them towards the end, but they could have just as well attacked and killed them all.

[+OverSword]

Greene introduces Gulf of America bill: ‘It’s our gulf’

Somebody get rid of this dumb b**** please.

Edited January 9 by OverSword

[Duke Wellington]

39 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Greene introduces Gulf of America bill: ‘It’s our gulf’

Somebody get rid of this dumb b**** please.

I`m loving this, its hilarious.

We have a very entertaining second term coming.

[Golden Duck]

54 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Greene introduces Gulf of America bill: ‘It’s our gulf’

Somebody get rid of this dumb b**** please.

Im this case ... why not?

Quote

Marcou corresponded with Augustus Le Plongeon, who wrote: "The name AMERICA or AMERRIQUE in the Mayan language means, a country of perpetually strong wind, or the Land of the Wind, ...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_of_the_Americas#:~:text=Marcou corresponded with Augustus Le,that breathes%2C life itself."

 

Edited January 10 by Golden Duck

[Golden Duck]

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The bill's original 14 cosponsors include Rep. Mary Miller (IL), Rep. Barry Moore (AL), Rep. Claudia Tenney (NY), Rep. Mike Collins (GA), Rep. Randy Weber (TX), Rep. Andy Ogles (TN), Rep. Mike Lawler (NY), Rep. Mike Haridopolos (FL), Rep. Greg Steube (FL), Rep. Eric Burlison (MO), Rep. Brian Babin (TX), Rep. Michael Rulli (OH), Rep. Troy Nehls (TX), and Rep. Brandon Gill (TX).

https://greene.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=870

[Katniss]

3 hours ago, OverSword said:

Greene introduces Gulf of America bill: ‘It’s our gulf’

Somebody get rid of this dumb b**** please.

[Agent0range]

8 hours ago, Guyver said:

this thing about being wasteful with money really bothers me.  I’ve lived my life by working hard, and not wasting money.  I’ve never filed for bankruptcy after maxing out my credit cards….

Do you feel some way about filing for bankruptcy?  Our President doesn't.  It's a way to game the system when you suck at being a businessman.  

[Agent0range]

4 hours ago, Duke Wellington said:

I`m loving this, its hilarious.

We have a very entertaining second term coming.

You are definitely posting from a Russian troll farm.

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, Agent0range said:

You are definitely posting from a Russian troll farm.

Or, he snuck past the nurse again, got into the hospital director's office and got on a computer.  They catch him and he doesn't show up here for a few days.

[acidhead]

6 hours ago, Duke Wellington said:

I`m loving this, its hilarious.

We have a very entertaining second term coming.

🤣

[+Razman]

6 hours ago, acidhead said:

🤣

Not sure how hard i would laugh quite yet, right now some of the entertainment is at the expense of Canada.

Edited January 10 by Razman

[+Shooter McGavin]