Scholar4Truth Posted January 12 #1 Share Posted January 12 British child star ‘died after water was switched off’ during LA wildfires Rory Callum Sykes, who appeared on the TV programme Kiddie Kapers in the 1990s, died of carbon monoxide poisoning at his family’s estate in Malibu on Wednesday, his mother said. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted January 12 #2 Share Posted January 12 It's sad that the "richest" state in the nation can't keep pressure in the water lines. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted January 12 #3 Share Posted January 12 22 minutes ago, DieChecker said: It's sad that the "richest" state in the nation can't keep pressure in the water lines. Stories are beginning to trickle out about how that fire budget was severely cut to pay for other programs they felt were more important. I suspect they're going to be taught that those other causes weren't nearly as important to most of the citizens. 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted January 12 #4 Share Posted January 12 7 minutes ago, and-then said: Stories are beginning to trickle out about how that fire budget was severely cut to pay for other programs they felt were more important. I suspect they're going to be taught that those other causes weren't nearly as important to most of the citizens. That's California for you. 80% of the state Congress is Democrats, so there no real way to not accept blame. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted January 12 #5 Share Posted January 12 Correct me if I’m wrong but this isn’t even the Northern Hemisphere fire season yet. How did this happen? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susanc241 Posted January 12 #6 Share Posted January 12 Serious question - as most of this affected area is so close to the sea, is there no way to use sea water being pumped up to holding tanks. Would it be a viable option? Perhaps they already do this, but if not is seems harsh to condemn them for ‘not having enough water’ considering the colossal amounts needed and the already short supply of water in the state. I think even we would struggle if an area the size of the whole of Greater London was ablaze without using the water straight from the Thames. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 12 #7 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Susanc241 said: Serious question - as most of this affected area is so close to the sea, is there no way to use sea water being pumped up to holding tanks. Would it be a viable option? Perhaps they already do this, but if not is seems harsh to condemn them for ‘not having enough water’ considering the colossal amounts needed and the already short supply of water in the state. I think even we would struggle if an area the size of the whole of Greater London was ablaze without using the water straight from the Thames. Seawater is corrosive. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted January 12 #8 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Susanc241 said: Serious question - as most of this affected area is so close to the sea, is there no way to use sea water being pumped up to holding tanks. Would it be a viable option? Perhaps they already do this, but if not is seems harsh to condemn them for ‘not having enough water’ considering the colossal amounts needed and the already short supply of water in the state. I think even we would struggle if an area the size of the whole of Greater London was ablaze without using the water straight from the Thames. You still need a well maintained infrastructure for that to work. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post +and-then Posted January 12 Popular Post #9 Share Posted January 12 5 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said: Correct me if I’m wrong but this isn’t even the Northern Hemisphere fire season yet. How did this happen? They'd been experiencing a severe drought for the past 10 months and they have a peculiar kind of natural "wind machine" called the "Santa Ana" winds. It's a pattern that sets up pretty regularly and even a small fire can turn into a monster. It's been a regular feature of their weather for a very long time. Kind of makes one wonder why any government official would take money away from the fire fighting budget, huh? 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A rather obscure Bassoon Posted January 12 #10 Share Posted January 12 7 hours ago, and-then said: Stories are beginning to trickle out about how that fire budget was severely cut to pay for other programs they felt were more important. I suspect they're going to be taught that those other causes weren't nearly as important to most of the citizens. Fox reported on a rumour that the Mayor was considering cutting the fire department budget by another 49 million a week before the fires broke out. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A rather obscure Bassoon Posted January 12 #11 Share Posted January 12 Hopefully when this is over the mayor amongst many will be charged. Can’t even imagine what people are going through. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guyver Posted January 12 #13 Share Posted January 12 8 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said: Correct me if I’m wrong but this isn’t even the Northern Hemisphere fire season yet. How did this happen? It’s fire season for us because we often have what’s called “Indian Summer.” Often times we get dry Fall and Winter, like LA had this year, then we suddenly get these hot spells like we had last week where it’s 80 degrees in the daytime instead of the normal 60’s or 70’s temperatures. That plus the Santa Ana winds on top of the heat are a recipe for disaster. Californians know this because we get it all the time. The story is that even though a bond measure passed to upgrade and sustain the aquifers the work was suspended and water diverted over a species of fish. Basically, extreme environmental activism left the firefighters without water. Additionally, the terrain is extremely rugged and difficult to navigate making the fires nearly impossible to fight except in certain areas. We’ve seen the same type of thing happen here on the Central Coast over environmental extremism regarding the Tiger salamander and red legged tree frog. 4 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigonos Posted January 12 #14 Share Posted January 12 (edited) 10 hours ago, and-then said: Stories are beginning to trickle out about how that fire budget was severely cut to pay for other programs they felt were more important. I suspect they're going to be taught that those other causes weren't nearly as important to most of the citizens. One of the main reasons that San Francisco got consumed by fire in the wake of the 1906 earthquake was because money that had been designated to maintain fire prevention infrastructure ended up being pocketed by corrupt politicians and the resulting problems neglected by incompetent ones. It’s pathetic that 125 years later the same things are occurring and innocent people are still dying as a result. Edited January 12 by Antigonos 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted January 12 #15 Share Posted January 12 10 hours ago, DieChecker said: It's sad that the "richest" state in the nation can't keep pressure in the water lines. Water shortages have and will be a major issue for decades. Texas is already complaining about Mexico not giving them as much water as their treaty says and is slated to not have enough water to match it's growth:https://www.newsweek.com/texas-running-out-water-sid-miller-1952025 Here's an article talking about the west coast's water issues back in June: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/weather/2024/01/30/water-crisis-in-west-it-wasnt-always-this-hot-dry-study-says/72395457007/ California's water shortage is drying out the plants and making fires easier too: https://www.fastcompany.com/91258626/southern-california-water-crisis-fueling-fires-maps-dryness Unless we start planning our growth, we are just going to see more problems like this in the future- especially with climate change/naturally occuring weather cycles causing droughts and water shortages. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted January 12 #16 Share Posted January 12 42 minutes ago, Guyver said: The story is that even though a bond measure passed to upgrade and sustain the aquifers the work was suspended and water diverted over a species of fish. Basically, extreme environmental activism left the firefighters without water. And, like most stories that one hears from the sources you heard the story from, it's not true. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted January 12 #17 Share Posted January 12 7 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said: And, like most stories that one hears from the sources you heard the story from, it's not true. Time will tell. Investigations are being done now. I can tell you that that what I said about the Tiger salamander and red legged tree frog are true without question…so, maybe you need to do some research. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted January 12 #18 Share Posted January 12 LA is right next to the ocean. I read this and wonder about priorities in an urban area: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/01/09/los-angeles-fires-can-firefighters-use-ocean-water/77575501007/ Basically they don't use sea water because they don't want to hurt the environment or damage the fire fighting equipment so they are using an urban water system for a city of almost 10 million. But a towns water system was never designed to put out a fire of that magnitude. With how the world is changing, maybe they should start investing in salt water firefighting equipment and I hate to say it but the environment is already ruined in a city of 10 million. People will probably cry because their lawns got destroyed by the salt water that saved their homes, but at least they will still have homes. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted January 12 #19 Share Posted January 12 11 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said: And, like most stories that one hears from the sources you heard the story from, it's not true. You might want to look into “California Environmental Impact reports” and see what you can learn about environmental extremism and how that has affected California. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted January 12 #20 Share Posted January 12 8 minutes ago, Guyver said: Time will tell. Investigations are being done now. I can tell you that that what I said about the Tiger salamander and red legged tree frog are true without question…so, maybe you need to do some research. The intial reports are showing that Southern California/LA has adequate water stored but the failure was due to the city's infrastructure not being adequate to deliver that water to a fire of this magnitude. Furthermore, the Central Valley Project (the one with the salamanders and tree frogs) doesn't supply any water to LA. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fact-check-la-fires-drive-falsehoods-including-by-trump-about-water-use/ar-BB1rkaU6?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=9d5634d40cc44551941afaff1b023c4d&ei=39 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted January 12 #21 Share Posted January 12 21 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said: And, like most stories that one hears from the sources you heard the story from, it's not true. Put the California Snowy Plover on your list as well, if you are interested in learning the truth about environmental extremism if you are interested in facts and the truth while you’re at it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted January 12 #22 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Gromdor said: The intial reports are showing that Southern California/LA has adequate water stored but the failure was due to the city's infrastructure not being adequate to deliver that water to a fire of this magnitude. Furthermore, the Central Valley Project (the one with the salamanders and tree frogs) doesn't supply any water to LA. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fact-check-la-fires-drive-falsehoods-including-by-trump-about-water-use/ar-BB1rkaU6?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=9d5634d40cc44551941afaff1b023c4d&ei=39 It’s an example of environmental extremism run amok due to extreme liberalism being granted power by an extremely liberal government. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted January 12 #23 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Guyver said: It’s an example of environmental extremism run amok due to extreme liberalism being granted power by an extremely liberal government. Environmentalism has little to nothing to do with this issue. There is plenty of water both stored and in the ocean to combat this fire. The infrastructure simply isn't there to deliver it to the scene of the fire. All those species you mentioned as well as the aquifers are for a completely seperate water system to the north of LA. You might as well be complaining about Canada with how they are unconnected and unrelated. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edumakated Posted January 12 #24 Share Posted January 12 They do a poor job of clearing underbrush. This has been a known issue for years and a major contributor to the forest fires they are experiencing. However, the environmental nut jobs don't like it. Heck, Trump was talking about the potential for forest fires in CA on the Rogan interview he did before election. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted January 12 #25 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Edumakated said: They do a poor job of clearing underbrush. This has been a known issue for years and a major contributor to the forest fires they are experiencing. However, the environmental nut jobs don't like it. Heck, Trump was talking about the potential for forest fires in CA on the Rogan interview he did before election. Uh, the underbrush in suburban LA? Rake LA? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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