UM-Bot Posted January 14 #1 Share Posted January 14 The research initiative will study the phenomenon of young children recalling details of their past lives. https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/383827/major-new-reincarnation-study-to-explore-childrens-past-life-memories 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 14 #2 Share Posted January 14 My thought is the ability of children to recall details of lives in the past is already pretty well established. The next interesting direction of research is studying the brain activity of these children while recalling past lives and seeing if any brain activity differences can be seen versus normal recall. I've already seen where mediums alleging telepathic communication with unseen spirits show unusual areas of right-brain activity suggesting they are not doing logical brained cold reading techniques. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream jo Posted January 14 #3 Share Posted January 14 Every 1 has had a past life I know I v had so many 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendy Demon Posted January 14 #4 Share Posted January 14 I found it laughable that many who claimed to recall a past life was invariably someone of high status, almost never hearing about people who were commoners holding jobs as farmers, fisherman, ship hands or various things like that or even disreputable lives such as robbers, con men (I use the term 'men' as a collective term, ok?) and such. It's either kings, queens, pharaohs or such. Also rarely, if ever, hear of people recalling past lives on other worlds or if they do they keep it quiet because, after all, Earth is the only planet in the entire endless expanse that has life on it 🙄 That said it is difficult to discern the oft times fine line between actual recollection, fantasy or scripted responses especially when it comes to children, they are not quite as innocent as society makes them out to be. While I am sure there are genuine reports many children will unconsciously make up stories because they get attention and passive approval while others are coached into repeating a story for someone else's gain while some overhear things or pick up on the subtlest of information and inferences uttered from adults that we wouldn't think they even heard. Just because a child says something doesn't mean it is true or accurate in any sense of the word. I know I will be screamed at for daring to imply that children aren't these sweet little angels that never lie and instead will make up stories for whatever reason often not knowing that they are fabricating a story. I am just highly skeptical. I mean it will be interesting to see what comes of these studies but I am still skeptical of it all. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted January 14 #5 Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, Bendy Demon said: Also rarely, if ever, hear of people recalling past lives on other worlds or if they do they keep it quiet because, after all, Earth is the only planet in the entire endless expanse that has life on it 🙄 Wasn't there this Russian boy who claimed he had lived on Mars in a previous lifetime? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendy Demon Posted January 14 #6 Share Posted January 14 Just now, Abramelin said: Wasn't there this Russian boy who claimed he had lived on Mars in a previous lifetime? Yes..there is and here is the link : https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/352393/mysteries-revisited-russian-genius-claims-to-be-the-reincarnation-of-a-martian It is remotely possible but, for the sake of an argument, it is possible he did live a life on a different planet but perhaps can't recall the mane of said planet and used 'Mars' to fill in the gaps. Not saying it is real but just because a specific name was used doesn't mean that it WAS that. I wanna be open minded on this but at teh same time my personal firewall of skepticism protects my sanity from other potentially insane information. I don't know..I am not conveying my thoughts very well right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted January 14 #7 Share Posted January 14 Epigenetics? New scientific research shows that environmental influences can actually affect whether and how genes are expressed. In fact, scientists have discovered that early experiences can determine how genes are turned on and off and even whether some are expressed at all. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190326-what-is-epigenetics Can the legacy of trauma be passed down the generations? Our children and grandchildren are shaped by the genes they inherit from us, but new research is revealing that experiences of hardship or violence can leave their mark too. In 1864, nearing the end of the US Civil War, conditions in the Confederate prisoner of war camps were at their worst. There was such overcrowding in some camps that the prisoners, Union Army soldiers from the north, each had the square footage of a grave. Prisoner death rates soared. For those who survived, the harrowing experiences marked many of them for life. They returned to society with impaired health, worse job prospects and shorter life expectancy. But the impact of these hardships did not stop with those who experienced it. It also had an effect on the prisoners’ children and grandchildren, which appeared to be passed down the male line of families. While their sons and grandsons had not suffered the hardships of the PoW camps – and if anything were well provided for through their childhoods – they suffered higher rates of mortality than the wider population. It appeared the PoWs had passed on some element of their trauma to their offspring. Do some memories also get coded and passed along? Maybe the evidence supports persistent genes rather than immortal souls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djehuty Posted January 14 #8 Share Posted January 14 7 minutes ago, Tatetopa said: Do some memories also get coded and passed along? Maybe the evidence supports persistent genes rather than immortal souls. I remember reading once that the so-called memories of a previous life are supposedly the mother's experiences, which she in turn passed on via her genes. But why nature would have set something like that up is beyond me. I don't see any real benefit in it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted January 14 #9 Share Posted January 14 52 minutes ago, Djehuty said: I remember reading once that the so-called memories of a previous life are supposedly the mother's experiences, which she in turn passed on via her genes. But why nature would have set something like that up is beyond me. I don't see any real benefit in it. Well, think about instinct, preprogrammed behaviors that aid in a species survival. With big brains, maybe we have the ability to add some useful personal experiences to pass on to our offspring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 14 #10 Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, Bendy Demon said: I found it laughable that many who claimed to recall a past life was invariably someone of high status, almost never hearing about people who were commoners holding jobs as farmers, fisherman, ship hands or various things like that or even disreputable lives such as robbers, con men (I use the term 'men' as a collective term, ok?) and such. It's either kings, queens, pharaohs or such. Also rarely, if ever, hear of people recalling past lives on other worlds or if they do they keep it quiet because, after all, Earth is the only planet in the entire endless expanse that has life on it 🙄 That said it is difficult to discern the oft times fine line between actual recollection, fantasy or scripted responses especially when it comes to children, they are not quite as innocent as society makes them out to be. While I am sure there are genuine reports many children will unconsciously make up stories because they get attention and passive approval while others are coached into repeating a story for someone else's gain while some overhear things or pick up on the subtlest of information and inferences uttered from adults that we wouldn't think they even heard. Just because a child says something doesn't mean it is true or accurate in any sense of the word. I know I will be screamed at for daring to imply that children aren't these sweet little angels that never lie and instead will make up stories for whatever reason often not knowing that they are fabricating a story. I am just highly skeptical. I mean it will be interesting to see what comes of these studies but I am still skeptical of it all. First almost all of the stronger cases, childhood reincarnation memories have them as nobody special or famous. Second, to be a strong case requires knowledge of details not reasonably received through normal channels like parents and acquaintances. They can make up stories sure, but not with very specific details that are verifiable only with much effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 14 #11 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Tatetopa said: Epigenetics? New scientific research shows that environmental influences can actually affect whether and how genes are expressed. In fact, scientists have discovered that early experiences can determine how genes are turned on and off and even whether some are expressed at all. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190326-what-is-epigenetics Can the legacy of trauma be passed down the generations? Our children and grandchildren are shaped by the genes they inherit from us, but new research is revealing that experiences of hardship or violence can leave their mark too. In 1864, nearing the end of the US Civil War, conditions in the Confederate prisoner of war camps were at their worst. There was such overcrowding in some camps that the prisoners, Union Army soldiers from the north, each had the square footage of a grave. Prisoner death rates soared. For those who survived, the harrowing experiences marked many of them for life. They returned to society with impaired health, worse job prospects and shorter life expectancy. But the impact of these hardships did not stop with those who experienced it. It also had an effect on the prisoners’ children and grandchildren, which appeared to be passed down the male line of families. While their sons and grandsons had not suffered the hardships of the PoW camps – and if anything were well provided for through their childhoods – they suffered higher rates of mortality than the wider population. It appeared the PoWs had passed on some element of their trauma to their offspring. Do some memories also get coded and passed along? Maybe the evidence supports persistent genes rather than immortal souls. Interesting, but in the many reincarnation stories I've heard, the child is not a genetic relative of the person being remembered. Also, nothing in epigenetics that I've ever heard involves knowledge of the details of another person's life. Knowing names and places and specific events for example. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted January 14 #12 Share Posted January 14 25 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: Interesting, but in the many reincarnation stories I've heard, the child is not a genetic relative of the person being remembered. Also, nothing in epigenetics that I've ever heard involves knowledge of the details of another person's life. Knowing names and places and specific events for example. Greetings papa. I agree. I don't think epigenetics is the only answer. I think that evidence collected may or may not indicate intimate memories of a past life, but that does not leave reincarnation as the only possible solution. At least we have a solid tangible strand of DNA that is passed along, whether it encodes some memories or not would be fascinating to find out. It gives us a path to follow and find answers, though it may be a dead end. If it is, we can draw a line through it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 14 #13 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, Tatetopa said: Greetings papa. I agree. I don't think epigenetics is the only answer. I think that evidence collected may or may not indicate intimate memories of a past life, but that does not leave reincarnation as the only possible solution. At least we have a solid tangible strand of DNA that is passed along, whether it encodes some memories or not would be fascinating to find out. It gives us a path to follow and find answers, though it may be a dead end. If it is, we can draw a line through it. Although, ultimately, I don't think we will ever be able to explain these childhood reincarnation memories through materialist mechanisms, attempts to do so should be part of a scientific approach. Reincarnation memories though make quick sense in the Hindu/Theosophical (nonmaterialist) model where we are not just a physical body but have an incarnating soul that progresses through successive physical experiences. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted January 14 #14 Share Posted January 14 7 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: Reincarnation memories though make quick sense in the Hindu/Theosophical (nonmaterialist) model where we are not just a physical body but have an incarnating soul that progresses through successive physical experiences. True enough. That is why the guy revealed the great spaghetti monster. There are no limits for what could be possible in that realm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 14 #15 Share Posted January 14 Just now, Tatetopa said: True enough. That is why the guy revealed the great spaghetti monster. There are no limits for what could be possible in that realm. Although all things are possible, the Hindu/Theosophical model is based on the direct clairvoyant insights of many rishis/sages/masters and the model presented seems to have strong explanatory power when dealing with some real-world evidence like paranormal events and childhood reincarnation memories. I can't say the same about the spaghetti monster theory and I do not hold that possibility as equally likely to the Vedic (Hindu)/Theosophical model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 14 #16 Share Posted January 14 4 hours ago, Bendy Demon said: I found it laughable that many who claimed to recall a past life was invariably someone of high status, almost never hearing about people who were commoners holding jobs as farmers, fisherman, ship hands or various things like that or even disreputable lives such as robbers, con men (I use the term 'men' as a collective term, ok?) and such. It's either kings, queens, pharaohs or such. Also rarely, if ever, hear of people recalling past lives on other worlds or if they do they keep it quiet because, after all, Earth is the only planet in the entire endless expanse that has life on it 🙄 That said it is difficult to discern the oft times fine line between actual recollection, fantasy or scripted responses especially when it comes to children, they are not quite as innocent as society makes them out to be. While I am sure there are genuine reports many children will unconsciously make up stories because they get attention and passive approval while others are coached into repeating a story for someone else's gain while some overhear things or pick up on the subtlest of information and inferences uttered from adults that we wouldn't think they even heard. Just because a child says something doesn't mean it is true or accurate in any sense of the word. I know I will be screamed at for daring to imply that children aren't these sweet little angels that never lie and instead will make up stories for whatever reason often not knowing that they are fabricating a story. I am just highly skeptical. I mean it will be interesting to see what comes of these studies but I am still skeptical of it all. I've read a ton of past life recollections wherein people claim to recall lynching slaves (or their descendants), being prostitutes, criminals, soldiers dying horribly, victims of terrible conditions, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted January 14 #17 Share Posted January 14 4 hours ago, Bendy Demon said: I am just highly skeptical. I mean it will be interesting to see what comes of these studies but I am still skeptical of it all. I think skepticism is a positive response and any of these stories coming from adults or children over the age of say, 7-8 should be disbelieved until proof is presented. That said, many of these children are too young to even understand how to make up such detailed stories and recall them consistently. I don't know how I feel about the idea of reincarnation since I believe what the Bible says about the general idea: It is appointed unto man ONCE to die, and then the judgment. I look forward to seeing how this study unfolds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendy Demon Posted January 15 #18 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, OverSword said: I've read a ton of past life recollections wherein people claim to recall lynching slaves (or their descendants), being prostitutes, criminals, soldiers dying horribly, victims of terrible conditions, etc. I didn't say they ALL claimed to be hoity-toity types but many. I am sure there are those who recall less than reputable lives and probably want to forget them anyways. 1 hour ago, and-then said: I think skepticism is a positive response and any of these stories coming from adults or children over the age of say, 7-8 should be disbelieved until proof is presented. I think they ALL should be disbelieved regardless of a child's age until proof is presented. it is fine to listen and comfort them if it causes them much angst but it is best not to let them dwell on it or give it too much attention or else a child may take it as a sign to really ham it up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted January 15 #19 Share Posted January 15 4 hours ago, papageorge1 said: Although all things are possible All things are not possible. Some things are possible. Some things are not possible. It is not possible for a human to walk on the surface of the water...for instance. It is not possible to change the molecular structure of anything via the human mind. It is not possible to spread your arms and flap them and fly like a bird. It is not possible for a virgin to have a baby. It is not possible to die and return from the dead. And on and on and on.... Get a grip Papa. Just...get a grip! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 15 #20 Share Posted January 15 31 minutes ago, joc said: All things are not possible. Some things are possible. Some things are not possible. It is not possible for a human to walk on the surface of the water...for instance. It is not possible to change the molecular structure of anything via the human mind. It is not possible to spread your arms and flap them and fly like a bird. It is not possible for a virgin to have a baby. It is not possible to die and return from the dead. And on and on and on.... It was a comment in regards to the spaghetti monster picture meaning anything held to be nonphysical is possible. 33 minutes ago, joc said: Get a grip Papa. Just...get a grip! I keep a tight grip on reality, Joc! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 15 #21 Share Posted January 15 750 thousand on this?? it's a joke- right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted January 15 #22 Share Posted January 15 13 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: It was a comment in regards to the spaghetti monster picture meaning anything held to be nonphysical is possible. I keep a tight grip on reality, Joc! I suppose it is possible to have a tight grip on reality and believe things. It's what most people do. You are not the one who is out of the bounds of normalized thought Papa. That would be me. So...that was a foul ball! I'll take another swing... You go ahead and be you...and believe whatever you want. And I will just go ahead and be me with no beliefs whatsoever. What ever works for you bud! Honestly, I think adults should be able to think for themselves without others telling them their beliefs are wrong. Beliefs are not the problem. How people treat each other is the problem. So...I'm good with whatever you believe my friend. I always have been. I think you are a great guy actually. Definantly one of the nicest people on this forum actually. Never have read one ugly or hateful thing from you. I think if we are going to judge people at all...we should judge them on their character. You have a great character! What you believe is irrelevant. If it works in your head...that is what is important. Carry on my friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted January 15 #23 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dejarma said: 750 thousand on this?? it's a joke- right? I know right! There is a ton of money in the Grant World apparently. I think we should get a grant Dejarma. All it takes is persistence filling out the bajillion forms. What should we study? Edited January 15 by joc 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garen1 Posted January 15 #24 Share Posted January 15 Yep 98% of reincarnation stories I have heard are past hight status, never someone who is low on social economics scale, which frankly is a red flag and gives feeling something is not right and smelling a rat. It is possible two people unrelated can look alike or have similar lives, I think that's lot more likely. The likelihood that someone have past lives is practically 0%. Stop wasting tax payer money scientist involved in this bull fudge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 15 #25 Share Posted January 15 9 minutes ago, joc said: I know right! There is a ton of money in the Grant World apparently. I think we should get a grant Dejarma. All it takes is persistence filling out the bajillion forms. What should we study? What a great question! EEER= Spontaneous human combustion? NA, been proved to be BS years ago. Fairies? Yep that's a good one IMO 👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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