Hegseth: 'breath of fresh air' or just another Trump moron?

[Golden Duck]

23 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

I had assumed they were civilian aspects of the job. There's a strong public sentiment about America's support of Ukraine and Israel, and how that leaves the nation if an emergency should arise, and how his influence may involve America with the conflicts, and the funds expended (valid or not). That was how I took the bread and butter comment. How to act on that and feed it to the population in a positive way. Some of the more conservative posters often complain about American shortfall due to Ukraine support. And in that capacity, he really should be able to name one country in ASEAN. I mean the acronym is a bit of a giveaway, I reckon most people could guess the big one, and that's the sort of public appearance the media will crucify him with. 

Could just be my interpretation but they seemed fair criticisms. Although I'm anything but an expert on the subject. 

A conservative Christian is likely to appease Americans but America's enemies may well see that as incitement. 

He's already openly stated he intends to reshape the military in a very conservative way. It's already red vs blue, like everything else over there. don't know if that's going to work for morale or not. Immediately it's the Maga fear of what's in people's pants, not offering anything of actual substance, just regurgitating the hot topics on social media. Well. Truth social at least. 

I thought Australia was a member. I was getting confused because of those Batik shirt we see at APEC summits.

[psyche101]

7 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

I thought Australia was a member. I was getting confused because of those Batik shirt we see at APEC summits.

Nah, we'd call it ASHAUN wouldn't we? 

Sean isn't pronounced Shaun. I'll die on that hill. 

[Doc Socks Junior]

1 hour ago, Golden Duck said:

I thought Australia was a member. I was getting confused because of those Batik shirt we see at APEC summits.

I, as a US Senator, would not vote for your confirmation as US SecDef. For multiple reasons, probably, but they'd include this post.

[Golden Duck]

9 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

I, as a US Senator, would not vote for your confirmation as US SecDef. For multiple reasons, probably, but they'd include this post.

You've probably written me from SOS, Trade, and Foreign Affairs too.

Edited January 18 by Golden Duck

[Agent0range]

On 1/17/2025 at 11:17 AM, OverSword said:

I don't know and have not given an opinion.  I'm sure some people giving theirs are against anything or for everything trump says or does so I asked how they came to their conclusion.

Asking ChatGPT if Hegseth would make a good Secretary of Defense after a list of pros and cons this is what AI says

 

 

The Secretary of Defense is the person in charge of the every day operations of the military.  If you weren't active duty, you have no idea what every day operations even look like.  He doesn't know what it's like to live the military life in garrison.  He never commanded Soldiers.  He was a platoon leader, and when he was promoted to Captain, which would be a Company Commander, he was given a Civil Affairs job.  That's concerning.  The only Officers I recall in my 8 years of active duty not given command when promoted to Captain was because they screwed up.  

[+OverSword]

1 hour ago, Agent0range said:

The Secretary of Defense is the person in charge of the every day operations of the military.  If you weren't active duty, you have no idea what every day operations even look like.  He doesn't know what it's like to live the military life in garrison.  He never commanded Soldiers.  He was a platoon leader, and when he was promoted to Captain, which would be a Company Commander, he was given a Civil Affairs job.  That's concerning.  The only Officers I recall in my 8 years of active duty not given command when promoted to Captain was because they screwed up.  

About three in ten SoD’s never served in the military. Next.

[DarkHunter]

4 hours ago, Agent0range said:

The Secretary of Defense is the person in charge of the every day operations of the military.  If you weren't active duty, you have no idea what every day operations even look like.  He doesn't know what it's like to live the military life in garrison.  He never commanded Soldiers.  He was a platoon leader, and when he was promoted to Captain, which would be a Company Commander, he was given a Civil Affairs job.  That's concerning.  The only Officers I recall in my 8 years of active duty not given command when promoted to Captain was because they screwed up.  

None of that is true and you keep spreading blatantly lies cause you don't like a person.

You can try to deny it as much as you want but Hegseth lead C Company, 3rd Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment in 2005 when it was deployed to Samarra, Iraq.  Hegseth lead a 40 man platoon on combat missions.  What you say is just blatantly not true

[Agent0range]

7 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

None of that is true and you keep spreading blatantly lies cause you don't like a person.

You can try to deny it as much as you want but Hegseth lead C Company, 3rd Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment in 2005 when it was deployed to Samarra, Iraq.  Hegseth lead a 40 man platoon on combat missions.  What you say is just blatantly not true

Show a source saying he was a Company Commander.

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During 2004–2005,^[13][20] his unit was called to Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, under the operational control of the 3rd Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment, of the 101st Airborne Division, where he served as an infantry platoon leader and was awarded the Army Commendation Medal.^[21]

In July 2005, Hegseth was again working as a capital markets analyst at Bear Stearns.^[22]

His next deployment lasted from 2005 to 2006.^[20] Shortly after returning from Cuba, Hegseth volunteered to serve in Baghdad and Samarra, Iraq, where he served first as an infantry platoon leader and later as civil-military operations officer.^{[citation needed]} During his time in Iraq, he was awarded the Bronze Star Medal^[4] and a second Army Commendation Medal.^[21]

A platoon leader is not a Company Commander.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Hegseth

[Agent0range]

9 hours ago, OverSword said:

About three in ten SoD’s never served in the military. Next.

Next what?  That doesn't change my opinion on why he's not qualified.  

[+OverSword]

2 hours ago, Agent0range said:

Next what?  That doesn't change my opinion on why he's not qualified.  

Mine either but my reason is legitimate. Yours is reaching for something, anything.  Desperate seeming to me.  Just like others with sexual misconduct accusations or alcoholism yours was not a legitimate reason.  TDS in other words.

Edited January 21 by OverSword

[DarkHunter]

2 hours ago, Agent0range said:

Show a source saying he was a Company Commander.

A platoon leader is not a Company Commander.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Hegseth

First I never made the claim he was a company Commander, that was all you.  Second you are lying and still lie about Hegseth never commanding actual soldiers, not being active duty, and at one point not being in combat.

What is rather fun in this article from 2009 before Hegseth was significant, doesn't really focus on Hegseth at all but he is mentioned.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/07/06/the-kill-company

Then there is this interview with two soldiers who served with Hegseth.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/us-news/veterans-who-served-with-trump-defense-pick-pete-hegseth-in-combat-rave-about-his-brains-and-valor-breathes-the-military/

Ultimately you have lied and continue to purposefully lie that Hegseth never commanded people, never was active duty, and only did civilian jobs and was never in combat.  Then you demand I provide evidence for your claim, which is rather interesting tactic.  Ultimately you are just wrong and purposefully lying/soreading misinformation cause of political reasons.

[Agent0range]

36 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

First I never made the claim he was a company Commander, that was all you.  Second you are lying and still lie about Hegseth never commanding actual soldiers, not being active duty, and at one point not being in combat.

What is rather fun in this article from 2009 before Hegseth was significant, doesn't really focus on Hegseth at all but he is mentioned.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/07/06/the-kill-company

Then there is this interview with two soldiers who served with Hegseth.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/us-news/veterans-who-served-with-trump-defense-pick-pete-hegseth-in-combat-rave-about-his-brains-and-valor-breathes-the-military/

Ultimately you have lied and continue to purposefully lie that Hegseth never commanded people, never was active duty, and only did civilian jobs and was never in combat.  Then you demand I provide evidence for your claim, which is rather interesting tactic.  Ultimately you are just wrong and purposefully lying/soreading misinformation cause of political reasons.

A. Platoon. Leader. Is. Not. A. Commander.  Certainly you know people who have served in the military.  Ask them if a platoon leader is a commander.  A platoon leader is a junior officer.  Literally a 2nd Lieutenant right out of college is a platoon leader.  1st Lieutenant, 2nd Lieutenant, platoon leader.  Captain, Company Commander.  

[DarkHunter]

11 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

A. Platoon. Leader. Is. Not. A. Commander.  Certainly you know people who have served in the military.  Ask them if a platoon leader is a commander.  A platoon leader is a junior officer.  Literally a 2nd Lieutenant right out of college is a platoon leader.  1st Lieutenant, 2nd Lieutenant, platoon leader.  Captain, Company Commander.  

I am not here to prove your claims, I am just pointing out your lies.  Show me where I claimed he was a Commander, that was all you.  I just proved how you lied about Hegseth not being active duty, not leading men, and not being in combat and only having civilian jobs.  Instead of admitting you purposefully lied cause of your extreme hatred of Trump you move to this bizarre tactic of making a claim (Hegseth being/not being a commander), demanding that I prove such a claim, then going after me when I dont.  That is such a stupid and idiotic defense

[Agent0range]

5 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

I am not here to prove your claims, I am just pointing out your lies.  Show me where I claimed he was a Commander, that was all you.  I just proved how you lied about Hegseth not being active duty, not leading men, and not being in combat and only having civilian jobs.  Instead of admitting you purposefully lied cause of your extreme hatred of Trump you move to this bizarre tactic of making a claim (Hegseth being/not being a commander), demanding that I prove such a claim, then going after me when I dont.  That is such a stupid and idiotic defense

He wasn't active duty!

[+OverSword]

17 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

He wasn't active duty!

Is this active duty?

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From 2003 to 2014 and again from 2019 to 2021, he served as an infantry officer in the Army National Guard, attaining the rank of Major. He received the Bronze Star while serving in the special operations forces during a combat deployment to Iraq in 2005.

Link

[DarkHunter]

12 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

He wasn't active duty!

Yes he was, just cause you refuse to accept the proof doesnt mean that Hegseth wasn't active duty

[Zebra3]

LMAO.

[Agent0range]

21 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Is this active duty?

Link

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he served as an infantry officer in the Army National Guard,

Right there is your answer!  He was in the National Guard!  

[Agent0range]

24 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Yes he was, just cause you refuse to accept the proof doesnt mean that Hegseth wasn't active duty

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What is the difference between someone who is active duty military and someone who is in the Reserve or National Guard?

A person who is active duty is in the military full time. They work for the military full time, may live on a military base, and can be deployed at any time. Persons in the Reserve or National Guard are not full-time active duty military personnel, although they can be deployed at any time should the need arise.

https://www.va.gov/vetsinworkplace/docs/em_activeReserve.asp#:~:text=A person who is active,time should the need arise.

[+OverSword]

36 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

Right there is your answer!  He was in the National Guard!  

So yes.  I know someone in the National Guard stationed in Iraq as a medic right now.

[DarkHunter]

23 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

https://www.va.gov/vetsinworkplace/docs/em_activeReserve.asp#:~:text=A person who is active,time should the need arise.

So you want to play these kind of games.

https://veterans.ny.gov/veteran-status-reserve-national-guard-and-militia

"Traditional service in the Reserve or National Guard includes initial entry training, one weekend drill or assembly per month, and two weeks of annual training per year; this traditional service generally is not considered as active duty for the purposes of veterans’ benefits and services, with the exception of specific injuries or conditions resulting from periods of training. 

Reserve and National Guard forces may be mobilized or activated for federal duty under Title 10 or Title 32 of the United States Code, which offers entitlements based on the type of service and duration of duty orders. For the purposes of veterans’ benefits and services, Reserve and National Guard members are recognized as having served on active duty if they have a period of at least 180 days on federal orders outside of training."

I suspect you know and understand this but are purposefully lying is that while in general National Guard is not considered active duty that if they get deployed they are considered active duty and Hegseth was deployed and therefore was active duty.

If you want to be embarrassed further and shown to be even more of a lier I can start bringing up the law and legal definitions.

[DarkHunter]

2 minutes ago, OverSword said:

So yes.  I know someone in the National Guard stationed in Iraq as a medic right now.

If National Guard is deployed under federal control, like serving in Iraq, they are active duty.  AgentOrange is lying/being highly deceptive cause of deep hatred for Trump and anyone connected to him.

Edited January 21 by DarkHunter

[+OverSword]

1 minute ago, DarkHunter said:

If National Guard is deployed under federal control, like serving in Iraq, they are active duty.  AgentOrange is lying/being highly deceptive cause of deep hatred for Trump and anyone connected to him.

It's called TDS.  When anything possibly related to trump causes you to deny reality.

[DarkHunter]

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

It's called TDS.  When anything possibly related to trump causes you to deny reality.

It is entertaining, I'm just waiting for him to deny that Title 10 is a thing or that it doesn't count.

[Agent0range]

2 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

If National Guard is deployed under federal control, like serving in Iraq, they are active duty.  AgentOrange is lying/being highly deceptive cause of deep hatred for Trump and anyone connected to him.

That is Active Duty status for pay reasons.  I showed you the definition of active duty military.  Not active status.  National Guard members fighting wildfires are under active duty status.  They aren't active duty military.  I showed you the governments definition of Active Duty.