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President-elect Donald Trump declared on Wednesday that he would declare war on wind power during his second administration.

What an idiot.

Windmills by state:

Texas 10,552
Iowa 4,543
Oklahoma 3,355
Kansas 2,867
Illinois 2,220
Colorado 1,582
Minnesota 1,401
North Dakota 1,354
New Mexico 1,290
Nebraska 1,201

Wind Energy Generation by State

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19 minutes ago, Portre said:

President-elect Donald Trump declared on Wednesday that he would declare war on wind power during his second administration.

What an idiot.

Windmills by state:

Texas 10,552
Iowa 4,543
Oklahoma 3,355
Kansas 2,867
Illinois 2,220
Colorado 1,582
Minnesota 1,401
North Dakota 1,354
New Mexico 1,290
Nebraska 1,201

Wind Energy Generation by State

I agree, he is an idiot, but for some reason he serves a purpose for the PTB.  We shall see how this plays out and whether we get to have an election in 4 years.

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3 hours ago, Portre said:

President-elect Donald Trump declared on Wednesday that he would declare war on wind power during his second administration.

What an idiot.

Windmills by state:

Texas 10,552
Iowa 4,543
Oklahoma 3,355
Kansas 2,867
Illinois 2,220
Colorado 1,582
Minnesota 1,401
North Dakota 1,354
New Mexico 1,290
Nebraska 1,201

Wind Energy Generation by State

Some of them are my mommy's! And I'm building some myself! 😃

And Trump isn't going to have much luck.🤣

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A war on wind power? Perhaps he has rethought his war with Denmark? Or is this going to be one of those two-front wars?

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5 hours ago, Portre said:

President-elect Donald Trump declared on Wednesday that he would declare war on wind power during his second administration.

 It's customary to include a link so that people can verify the information. Since you didn't, I had to go find it the context for myself.  Turns out "declaring war" these days comprises of writing a post on Truth Social. 

Trump boasting on social media has already been scrubbed off my bingo card this week, so this isn't really a surprise.

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The turbines are needed to cool down the Earth, the same as fans we use in houses and cars:

 

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Lol, this doofus is going to be president!

LoL! 

Stay classy America........

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45 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

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Lol, this doofus is going to be president!

LoL! 

Stay classy America........

Abstract

Wind turbines generate low-frequency noise (LFN, 20–200 Hz), which poses health risks to nearby residents. This study aimed to assess heart rate variability (HRV) responses to LFN exposure and to evaluate the LFN exposure (dB, LAeq) inside households located near wind turbines. Thirty subjects living within a 500 m radius of wind turbines were recruited. The field campaigns for LFN (LAeq) and HRV monitoring were carried out in July and December 2018. A generalized additive mixed model was employed to evaluate the relationship between HRV changes and LFN. The results suggested that the standard deviations of all the normal to normal R–R intervals were reduced significantly, by 3.39%, with a 95% CI = (0.15%, 6.52%) per 7.86 dB (LAeq) of LFN in the exposure range of 38.2–57.1 dB (LAeq). The indoor LFN exposure (LAeq) ranged between 30.7 and 43.4 dB (LAeq) at a distance of 124–330 m from wind turbines. Moreover, households built with concrete and equipped with airtight windows showed the highest LFN difference of 13.7 dB between indoors and outdoors. In view of the adverse health impacts of LFN exposure, there should be regulations on the requisite distances of wind turbines from residential communities for health protection.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97107-8

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30 minutes ago, WVK said:

Abstract

Wind turbines generate low-frequency noise (LFN, 20–200 Hz), which poses health risks to nearby residents. This study aimed to assess heart rate variability (HRV) responses to LFN exposure and to evaluate the LFN exposure (dB, LAeq) inside households located near wind turbines. Thirty subjects living within a 500 m radius of wind turbines were recruited. The field campaigns for LFN (LAeq) and HRV monitoring were carried out in July and December 2018. A generalized additive mixed model was employed to evaluate the relationship between HRV changes and LFN. The results suggested that the standard deviations of all the normal to normal R–R intervals were reduced significantly, by 3.39%, with a 95% CI = (0.15%, 6.52%) per 7.86 dB (LAeq) of LFN in the exposure range of 38.2–57.1 dB (LAeq). The indoor LFN exposure (LAeq) ranged between 30.7 and 43.4 dB (LAeq) at a distance of 124–330 m from wind turbines. Moreover, households built with concrete and equipped with airtight windows showed the highest LFN difference of 13.7 dB between indoors and outdoors. In view of the adverse health impacts of LFN exposure, there should be regulations on the requisite distances of wind turbines from residential communities for health protection.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97107-8

Other sources of LFN include: pumps; compressors; diesel engines; fans; generators; and, boilers. 

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3 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Other sources of LFN include: pumps; compressors; diesel engines; fans; generators; and, boilers. 

True however the subject is wind turbines 

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30 minutes ago, WVK said:

Abstract

Wind turbines generate low-frequency noise (LFN, 20–200 Hz), which poses health risks to nearby residents. This study aimed to assess heart rate variability (HRV) responses to LFN exposure and to evaluate the LFN exposure (dB, LAeq) inside households located near wind turbines. Thirty subjects living within a 500 m radius of wind turbines were recruited. The field campaigns for LFN (LAeq) and HRV monitoring were carried out in July and December 2018. A generalized additive mixed model was employed to evaluate the relationship between HRV changes and LFN. The results suggested that the standard deviations of all the normal to normal R–R intervals were reduced significantly, by 3.39%, with a 95% CI = (0.15%, 6.52%) per 7.86 dB (LAeq) of LFN in the exposure range of 38.2–57.1 dB (LAeq). The indoor LFN exposure (LAeq) ranged between 30.7 and 43.4 dB (LAeq) at a distance of 124–330 m from wind turbines. Moreover, households built with concrete and equipped with airtight windows showed the highest LFN difference of 13.7 dB between indoors and outdoors. In view of the adverse health impacts of LFN exposure, there should be regulations on the requisite distances of wind turbines from residential communities for health protection.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97107-8

Low frequency noise = cancer in maga land does it? 

I actually work for a renewable energy company. We put those b******* up. I know a lot more than you may realise. 

Wind farm ‘noise’ not harmful

 

"We've been able to show conclusively that the infrasound generated by wind turbines doesn't make you dizzy or nauseous, doesn't impact heart health or mental health, or impact on sleep," says lead study investigator Associate Professor Nathaniel Marshall. "Uncertainty around the syndrome has cast a shadow over the future of wind farms as a clean energy source, so it's great to get such a clear result from the study."

The research was published this week in the international journal Environmental Health Perspectives.

Try the actual study at the link, there's quite a few out tgere if your interested.

Your new president to be is a complete doofus. 

 

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7 minutes ago, WVK said:

True however the subject is wind turbines 

Are you claiming LFN has different properties regarding wind turbines than it would for machinery? 

 

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The left loves windmills until they are in their backyard.

Remember when Ted Kennedy killed a windfarm in Nantucket sound.  Can't have those big ugly windmills destroying the ocean views from their multi-million dollar vacation homes on Nantucket.

 

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50 minutes ago, WVK said:

True however the subject is wind turbines 

LFN is in the environment.

The study finds a level of "annoyance".  Another finds this correlates annoyance with animosity to wind farms.

https://windexchange.energy.gov/files/pdfs/workshops/2010/webinar_neweep_wind_noise_health_mccunney.pdf

A report on sa.gov.au finds LFN is higher in urban environment.

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23 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

The left loves windmills until they are in their backyard.

Remember when Ted Kennedy killed a windfarm in Nantucket sound.  Can't have those big ugly windmills destroying the ocean views from their multi-million dollar vacation homes on Nantucket.

 

Left versus Right is the amusing game the elites  developed to keep the peasants out of their hair while they are acquiring resources.

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34 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

The left loves windmills until they are in their backyard.

Remember when Ted Kennedy killed a windfarm in Nantucket sound.  Can't have those big ugly windmills destroying the ocean views from their multi-million dollar vacation homes on Nantucket.

 

 

What a stupid political position.

There's science on the subject. Science isn't left or right. 

America and the left right goose step. You're all gooses with two wings. 

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25 minutes ago, simplybill said:

I live in the countryside in Iowa. We’re the state with the 2nd highest number of wind turbines. Personally, I just consider the wind as being another crop to be harvested. Last I heard, the farmers/landowners are being paid $800 a month rent for each turbine. Some of the larger farms have as many as 10 turbines, so it’s a good investment for them.

The turbines near my acreage are really kinda photogenic. This photo is looking West across my hayfield and the neighbor’s cornfield.

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How often are the piles of dead birds cleared from beneath the windmills?

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23 minutes ago, simplybill said:

I live in the countryside in Iowa. We’re the state with the 2nd highest number of wind turbines.

My late father-in-law was from Iowa and we drove up there back in the early 2000s.  That was the first time I'd ever seen one.  They are much bigger than I knew.  That trip was amazing.  We went to Mt. Pleasant for their Midwest Old Threshers show.  As impressive as the steam-powered machinery was, the best part was the heavy horses driving the threshers.  I also loved the 2-cycle engine driven washing machines :) 

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15 minutes ago, Portre said:

How often are the piles of dead birds cleared from beneath the windmills?

I’ve never seen dead birds around the turbines near me. I think the dead bird story gained traction when California inadvertently put up a wind farm years ago that was right in the migration route for certain migratory birds. 

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15 minutes ago, and-then said:

My late father-in-law was from Iowa and we drove up there back in the early 2000s.  That was the first time I'd ever seen one.  They are much bigger than I knew.  That trip was amazing.  We went to Mt. Pleasant for their Midwest Old Threshers show.  As impressive as the steam-powered machinery was, the best part was the heavy horses driving the threshers.  I also loved the 2-cycle engine driven washing machines :) 

I almost went to the Old Threshers Show this year, but something else came up. I’ve heard it’s amazing!

If you ever get the chance, the Farm Progress Show is fun too. They’ll let you drive one of the new $500,000 combines! 

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2 minutes ago, simplybill said:

I almost went to the Old Threshers Show this year, but something else came up. I’ve heard it’s amazing!

If you ever get the chance, the Farm Progress Show is fun too. They’ll let you drive one of the new $500,000 combines! 

I grew up a city boy but my F-i-L taught me to love the old ways.  He was always full of stories about working the animals for his dad.  I LOVED that show.  I'd love to go back.  Seeing those horses drive the machinery in the threshers was a real eye opener for what life was like back then.  On our way back we drove through several small towns and once as we approached the river I was amazed to see that "Radar O'Reilly's" hometown was a real place :)  Ottumwa was one of those places you'd better not blink or you'll miss it :) 

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Outside of niche cases wind turbines are one of the most inefficient forms of energy generation.

The reality is the capacity factor for wind turbines is between 20% and 30% while for coal, natural gas, oil, nuclear, and even biomass it is between 80% and 90%.

Capacity factor is the actual energy production over some interval of time, usually a year, divided by the theoretical energy production, running at 100% rated capacity, for the same interval of time.  

Unlike for more traditional energy generation methods where the capacity factor is essentially the same for any condition for wind and solar the 20% to 30% capacity factor requires good to ideal conditions and the actual capacity factor can be far lower.

In more practical terms to even have a chance of to equal the energy output of a 500 MW coal/natural gas/oil/nuclear power plant at absolute best you would need a windfarm with approximately 1,500 MW to 2,000 MW capacity.  There are other issues like when energy is generated but that gets into even more problems and increases the needed wind farm capacity even further.  This all ends up in way more land needed and way higher costs for the sane energy production.

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