Portre Posted January 15 #1 Share Posted January 15 President-elect Donald Trump declared on Wednesday that he would declare war on wind power during his second administration. What an idiot. Windmills by state: Texas 10,552 Iowa 4,543 Oklahoma 3,355 Kansas 2,867 Illinois 2,220 Colorado 1,582 Minnesota 1,401 North Dakota 1,354 New Mexico 1,290 Nebraska 1,201 Wind Energy Generation by State 3 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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+Desertrat56 Posted January 15 #3 Share Posted January 15 19 minutes ago, Portre said: President-elect Donald Trump declared on Wednesday that he would declare war on wind power during his second administration. What an idiot. Windmills by state: Texas 10,552 Iowa 4,543 Oklahoma 3,355 Kansas 2,867 Illinois 2,220 Colorado 1,582 Minnesota 1,401 North Dakota 1,354 New Mexico 1,290 Nebraska 1,201 Wind Energy Generation by State I agree, he is an idiot, but for some reason he serves a purpose for the PTB. We shall see how this plays out and whether we get to have an election in 4 years. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted January 15 #4 Share Posted January 15 3 hours ago, Portre said: President-elect Donald Trump declared on Wednesday that he would declare war on wind power during his second administration. What an idiot. Windmills by state: Texas 10,552 Iowa 4,543 Oklahoma 3,355 Kansas 2,867 Illinois 2,220 Colorado 1,582 Minnesota 1,401 North Dakota 1,354 New Mexico 1,290 Nebraska 1,201 Wind Energy Generation by State Some of them are my mommy's! And I'm building some myself! 😃 And Trump isn't going to have much luck.🤣 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eight bits Posted January 15 #5 Share Posted January 15 A war on wind power? Perhaps he has rethought his war with Denmark? Or is this going to be one of those two-front wars? 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted January 15 #6 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 5 hours ago, Portre said: President-elect Donald Trump declared on Wednesday that he would declare war on wind power during his second administration. It's customary to include a link so that people can verify the information. Since you didn't, I had to go find it the context for myself. Turns out "declaring war" these days comprises of writing a post on Truth Social. Trump boasting on social media has already been scrubbed off my bingo card this week, so this isn't really a surprise. Edited January 15 by Link of Hyrule 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted January 15 #7 Share Posted January 15 The turbines are needed to cool down the Earth, the same as fans we use in houses and cars: 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 16 #8 Share Posted January 16 Lol, this doofus is going to be president! LoL! Stay classy America........ 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted January 16 #9 Share Posted January 16 45 minutes ago, psyche101 said: Lol, this doofus is going to be president! LoL! Stay classy America........ Abstract Wind turbines generate low-frequency noise (LFN, 20–200 Hz), which poses health risks to nearby residents. This study aimed to assess heart rate variability (HRV) responses to LFN exposure and to evaluate the LFN exposure (dB, LAeq) inside households located near wind turbines. Thirty subjects living within a 500 m radius of wind turbines were recruited. The field campaigns for LFN (LAeq) and HRV monitoring were carried out in July and December 2018. A generalized additive mixed model was employed to evaluate the relationship between HRV changes and LFN. The results suggested that the standard deviations of all the normal to normal R–R intervals were reduced significantly, by 3.39%, with a 95% CI = (0.15%, 6.52%) per 7.86 dB (LAeq) of LFN in the exposure range of 38.2–57.1 dB (LAeq). The indoor LFN exposure (LAeq) ranged between 30.7 and 43.4 dB (LAeq) at a distance of 124–330 m from wind turbines. Moreover, households built with concrete and equipped with airtight windows showed the highest LFN difference of 13.7 dB between indoors and outdoors. In view of the adverse health impacts of LFN exposure, there should be regulations on the requisite distances of wind turbines from residential communities for health protection. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97107-8 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 16 #10 Share Posted January 16 30 minutes ago, WVK said: Abstract Wind turbines generate low-frequency noise (LFN, 20–200 Hz), which poses health risks to nearby residents. This study aimed to assess heart rate variability (HRV) responses to LFN exposure and to evaluate the LFN exposure (dB, LAeq) inside households located near wind turbines. Thirty subjects living within a 500 m radius of wind turbines were recruited. The field campaigns for LFN (LAeq) and HRV monitoring were carried out in July and December 2018. A generalized additive mixed model was employed to evaluate the relationship between HRV changes and LFN. The results suggested that the standard deviations of all the normal to normal R–R intervals were reduced significantly, by 3.39%, with a 95% CI = (0.15%, 6.52%) per 7.86 dB (LAeq) of LFN in the exposure range of 38.2–57.1 dB (LAeq). The indoor LFN exposure (LAeq) ranged between 30.7 and 43.4 dB (LAeq) at a distance of 124–330 m from wind turbines. Moreover, households built with concrete and equipped with airtight windows showed the highest LFN difference of 13.7 dB between indoors and outdoors. In view of the adverse health impacts of LFN exposure, there should be regulations on the requisite distances of wind turbines from residential communities for health protection. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97107-8 Other sources of LFN include: pumps; compressors; diesel engines; fans; generators; and, boilers. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted January 16 #11 Share Posted January 16 3 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: Other sources of LFN include: pumps; compressors; diesel engines; fans; generators; and, boilers. True however the subject is wind turbines 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 16 #12 Share Posted January 16 30 minutes ago, WVK said: Abstract Wind turbines generate low-frequency noise (LFN, 20–200 Hz), which poses health risks to nearby residents. This study aimed to assess heart rate variability (HRV) responses to LFN exposure and to evaluate the LFN exposure (dB, LAeq) inside households located near wind turbines. Thirty subjects living within a 500 m radius of wind turbines were recruited. The field campaigns for LFN (LAeq) and HRV monitoring were carried out in July and December 2018. A generalized additive mixed model was employed to evaluate the relationship between HRV changes and LFN. The results suggested that the standard deviations of all the normal to normal R–R intervals were reduced significantly, by 3.39%, with a 95% CI = (0.15%, 6.52%) per 7.86 dB (LAeq) of LFN in the exposure range of 38.2–57.1 dB (LAeq). The indoor LFN exposure (LAeq) ranged between 30.7 and 43.4 dB (LAeq) at a distance of 124–330 m from wind turbines. Moreover, households built with concrete and equipped with airtight windows showed the highest LFN difference of 13.7 dB between indoors and outdoors. In view of the adverse health impacts of LFN exposure, there should be regulations on the requisite distances of wind turbines from residential communities for health protection. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97107-8 Low frequency noise = cancer in maga land does it? I actually work for a renewable energy company. We put those b******* up. I know a lot more than you may realise. Wind farm ‘noise’ not harmful "We've been able to show conclusively that the infrasound generated by wind turbines doesn't make you dizzy or nauseous, doesn't impact heart health or mental health, or impact on sleep," says lead study investigator Associate Professor Nathaniel Marshall. "Uncertainty around the syndrome has cast a shadow over the future of wind farms as a clean energy source, so it's great to get such a clear result from the study." The research was published this week in the international journal Environmental Health Perspectives. Try the actual study at the link, there's quite a few out tgere if your interested. Your new president to be is a complete doofus. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 16 #13 Share Posted January 16 (edited) 7 minutes ago, WVK said: True however the subject is wind turbines Are you claiming LFN has different properties regarding wind turbines than it would for machinery? Edited January 16 by psyche101 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edumakated Posted January 16 #14 Share Posted January 16 The left loves windmills until they are in their backyard. Remember when Ted Kennedy killed a windfarm in Nantucket sound. Can't have those big ugly windmills destroying the ocean views from their multi-million dollar vacation homes on Nantucket. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 16 #15 Share Posted January 16 (edited) 50 minutes ago, WVK said: True however the subject is wind turbines LFN is in the environment. The study finds a level of "annoyance". Another finds this correlates annoyance with animosity to wind farms. https://windexchange.energy.gov/files/pdfs/workshops/2010/webinar_neweep_wind_noise_health_mccunney.pdf A report on sa.gov.au finds LFN is higher in urban environment. Edited January 16 by Golden Duck 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted January 16 #16 Share Posted January 16 23 minutes ago, Edumakated said: The left loves windmills until they are in their backyard. Remember when Ted Kennedy killed a windfarm in Nantucket sound. Can't have those big ugly windmills destroying the ocean views from their multi-million dollar vacation homes on Nantucket. Left versus Right is the amusing game the elites developed to keep the peasants out of their hair while they are acquiring resources. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 16 #17 Share Posted January 16 34 minutes ago, Edumakated said: The left loves windmills until they are in their backyard. Remember when Ted Kennedy killed a windfarm in Nantucket sound. Can't have those big ugly windmills destroying the ocean views from their multi-million dollar vacation homes on Nantucket. What a stupid political position. There's science on the subject. Science isn't left or right. America and the left right goose step. You're all gooses with two wings. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post simplybill Posted January 16 Popular Post #18 Share Posted January 16 I live in the countryside in Iowa. We’re the state with the 2nd highest number of wind turbines. Personally, I just consider the wind as being another crop to be harvested. Last I heard, the farmers/landowners are being paid $800 a month rent for each turbine. Some of the larger farms have as many as 10 turbines, so it’s a good investment for them. The turbines near my acreage are really kinda photogenic. This photo is looking West across my hayfield and the neighbor’s cornfield. 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portre Posted January 16 Author #19 Share Posted January 16 25 minutes ago, simplybill said: I live in the countryside in Iowa. We’re the state with the 2nd highest number of wind turbines. Personally, I just consider the wind as being another crop to be harvested. Last I heard, the farmers/landowners are being paid $800 a month rent for each turbine. Some of the larger farms have as many as 10 turbines, so it’s a good investment for them. The turbines near my acreage are really kinda photogenic. This photo is looking West across my hayfield and the neighbor’s cornfield. How often are the piles of dead birds cleared from beneath the windmills? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted January 16 #20 Share Posted January 16 23 minutes ago, simplybill said: I live in the countryside in Iowa. We’re the state with the 2nd highest number of wind turbines. My late father-in-law was from Iowa and we drove up there back in the early 2000s. That was the first time I'd ever seen one. They are much bigger than I knew. That trip was amazing. We went to Mt. Pleasant for their Midwest Old Threshers show. As impressive as the steam-powered machinery was, the best part was the heavy horses driving the threshers. I also loved the 2-cycle engine driven washing machines 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplybill Posted January 16 #21 Share Posted January 16 15 minutes ago, Portre said: How often are the piles of dead birds cleared from beneath the windmills? I’ve never seen dead birds around the turbines near me. I think the dead bird story gained traction when California inadvertently put up a wind farm years ago that was right in the migration route for certain migratory birds. 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplybill Posted January 16 #22 Share Posted January 16 15 minutes ago, and-then said: My late father-in-law was from Iowa and we drove up there back in the early 2000s. That was the first time I'd ever seen one. They are much bigger than I knew. That trip was amazing. We went to Mt. Pleasant for their Midwest Old Threshers show. As impressive as the steam-powered machinery was, the best part was the heavy horses driving the threshers. I also loved the 2-cycle engine driven washing machines I almost went to the Old Threshers Show this year, but something else came up. I’ve heard it’s amazing! If you ever get the chance, the Farm Progress Show is fun too. They’ll let you drive one of the new $500,000 combines! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 16 #23 Share Posted January 16 28 minutes ago, Portre said: How often are the piles of dead birds cleared from beneath the windmills? That's the solar thermal farms problem as opposed to turbines https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivanpah_Solar_Power_Facility 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted January 16 #24 Share Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, simplybill said: I almost went to the Old Threshers Show this year, but something else came up. I’ve heard it’s amazing! If you ever get the chance, the Farm Progress Show is fun too. They’ll let you drive one of the new $500,000 combines! I grew up a city boy but my F-i-L taught me to love the old ways. He was always full of stories about working the animals for his dad. I LOVED that show. I'd love to go back. Seeing those horses drive the machinery in the threshers was a real eye opener for what life was like back then. On our way back we drove through several small towns and once as we approached the river I was amazed to see that "Radar O'Reilly's" hometown was a real place Ottumwa was one of those places you'd better not blink or you'll miss it 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHunter Posted January 16 #25 Share Posted January 16 Outside of niche cases wind turbines are one of the most inefficient forms of energy generation. The reality is the capacity factor for wind turbines is between 20% and 30% while for coal, natural gas, oil, nuclear, and even biomass it is between 80% and 90%. Capacity factor is the actual energy production over some interval of time, usually a year, divided by the theoretical energy production, running at 100% rated capacity, for the same interval of time. Unlike for more traditional energy generation methods where the capacity factor is essentially the same for any condition for wind and solar the 20% to 30% capacity factor requires good to ideal conditions and the actual capacity factor can be far lower. In more practical terms to even have a chance of to equal the energy output of a 500 MW coal/natural gas/oil/nuclear power plant at absolute best you would need a windfarm with approximately 1,500 MW to 2,000 MW capacity. There are other issues like when energy is generated but that gets into even more problems and increases the needed wind farm capacity even further. This all ends up in way more land needed and way higher costs for the sane energy production. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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