Trump’s outdoor inauguration has been canceled

[Golden Duck]

43 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Takes like a second to Google search it and get multiple sources

"Cold weather may not be the only reason you get chills. Low temperatures can increase the likelihood of getting sick. The body is not as effective at fighting a virus when cold air enters the nose and upper airways, so viruses such as the common cold, the flu and COVID-19 often spread more easily in the winter"

https://www.nm.org/healthbeat/healthy-tips/can-winter-make-you-sick#:~:text=Low temperatures can increase the,more easily in the winter.

"Data obtained mainly on small mammals suggest that the acute effect of severe chilling is a suppression of several cellular and humoral components of the immune response, including a decrease of lymphocyte proliferation, a down-regulation of the immune cascade, a reduction of natural killer (NK) cell count, cytolytic activity, activation of complement, and the induction of heat shock proteins."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10066131/

"So, they exposed nasal tissues to temperatures of 39.9° F or 4.4° C — and found that doing so led to about 9° F or 5° C decrease in tissue temperature, with major consequences for the immune system.

“This drop significantly reduced this innate immune response in the nose,” Bleier explained.

The number of EVs that were released decreased by over 40%, while their quality was also severely compromised."

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/scientists-finally-figure-out-why-youre-more-likely-to-get-sick-in-cold-weather#How-cold-weather-impairs-the-body-s-ability-to-protect-itself

The whole people don't get sick from the cold but from virus was from a single medical study done in the 1970s, which while technically correct did not check if cold compromised the immune system or not.

It sounds like you are complaining about taking a second to "Google search" and copy and paste results.  It's perfectly within the forum rules to ask for a source.

The idea cold temperatures increasing susceptibility to catching a cold is conjecture that contradicts medical advice.

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Effect of cold weather on viruses

Exposure to cold weather does not make people more susceptible to common colds.

Some research suggests that rhinoviruses may replicate more efficientlyTrusted Source at temperatures lower than 37°C, or 98.6°F, the average core body temperature in humans. The temperature inside the nasal cavity is approximately 33°C (91.4°F), which may make it an ideal breeding ground for rhinoviruses.

However, this does not confirm that lower outside temperatures increase the risk of rhinovirus infection. Most research on rhinoviruses has primarily focused on examining how differences in body temperature affect the virus’s ability to reproduce.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323431#cold-weather-and-viruses

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Susceptibility to colds is not affected by exposure to cold temperature, host health and nutrition, or upper respiratory tract abnormalities (eg, enlarged tonsils or adenoids).

https://www.msdmanuals.com/professional/infectious-diseases/respiratory-viruses/common-cold?ruleredirectid=742

Human behaviour and the reaction to cold weather increases the likelihood of catching a cold

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Colds are caused by a virus spread by another infected person. A number of conditions can increase your 
chances of catching a cold. People appear to catch colds indoors during the colder months when living 
conditions bring people closer together and close to other people’s cold viruses. Closed windows and lack 
of fresh air also seem to contribute to the problem. Fatigue, poor health, some indoor air pollutants and 
stress may also increase susceptibility. Cold weather, chills or exposure to cold do not cause colds. In 
the Antarctic, scientists are free of colds until they return to home. Stress and cigarette smoking 
reduce resistance to infection and make symptoms more severe.

https://lungfoundation.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Factsheet-Common-Cold-Mar2016.pdf

Edited January 18 by Golden Duck

[+Link of Hyrule]

1 hour ago, Golden Duck said:

Colds are caused by a virus not temperature.

@DarkHunter covered this pretty well. 

 

1 hour ago, Golden Duck said:

If if Trump toadies are going to claim that Trump is too old and feeble as an excuse for hiding away from the usual ceremony, then we are witnessing the cognitive dissonance one typically observed in a cult.

The comedy falls as flat as fart.

In order for this framing to make sense, you have to take reasonable health measures (eg, factoring in compromised immune systems) and contrast it to the slurring,  stumbling, bumbling, dementia suffering mistake machine that was the hallmark of pResident Joe Biden. 

To put it another way, your argument is reliant on the equivalent of suggesting the covid vaccine should have been given to kids first rather than the first responders and the elderly,  and anyone who suggests the elderly should go first are experiencing "the cognitive dissonance one typically observes in a cult". 

As this is a ridiculous comparison,  I submit it's equally ridiculous to suggest that precautions for compromised immune system that is normal for older people can be compared to Biden's very real ongoing cognitive decline. 

You're normally excellent at reframing narratives,  but you didn't think through the ramifications of this one thoroughly enough. 

Edited January 18 by Link of Hyrule

[+Link of Hyrule]

1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said:

We’re also witnessing the political fallout from Trump’s divisive electioneering. There’s already been two attempts on his life and I don’t think he wants to take the chance of a third. So cold or virus medication is much preferred to plasma and a vascular surgeon 
 

…that’s what happens when you project a divided America to win office. 

As long as I've been following US politics it's been the democrats who have been dividing America with its rhetoric. 

[Golden Duck]

11 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

@DarkHunter covered this pretty well. 

 

In order for this framing to make sense, you have to take reasonable health measures (eg, factoring in compromised immune systems) and contrast it to the slurring,  stumbling, bumbling, dementia suffering mistake machine that was the hallmark of pResident Joe Biden. 

To put it another way, your argument is reliant on the equivalent of suggesting the covid vaccine should have been given to kids first rather than the first responders and the elderly,  and anyone who suggests the elderly should go first are experiencing "the cognitive dissonance one typically observes in a cult". 

As this is a ridiculous comparison,  I submit it's equally ridiculous to suggest that precautions for compromised immune system that is normal for older people can be compared to Biden's very real ongoing health problems. 

You're normally excellent at reframing narratives,  but you didn't think through the ramifications of this one thoroughly enough. 

I didn't mention Biden or any vaccine at all.  That's your made up fantasy, and evidence that a feeble old man lives rent free in your head.

Your go to whinge of reframing a narrative is you just resorting to the hand waving.  But, it especially doesn't work in this case.  All your huff-and-puff has blown over your own strawman.

Edited January 18 by Golden Duck

[+Link of Hyrule]

51 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

I didn't mention Biden or any vaccine at all.  That's your made up fantasy, and evidence that a feeble old man lives rent free in your head.

Your go to whinge of reframing a narrative is you just resorting to the hand waving.  But, it especially doesn't work in this case.  All your huff-and-puff has blown over your own strawman.

I didn't say you mentioned vaccines! What I said was that the argument you used to frame this is THE EQUIVALENT of ignoring that covid disproportionately affects older people, while simultaneously dodging the very real cognitive problems of Joseph R Biden. 

I'm assuming you understand the meaning of "the equivalent of" in a discussion of this nature, of course. 

Edited January 18 by Link of Hyrule

[Golden Duck]

6 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

I didn't say you mentioned vaccines! What I said was that the argument you used to frame this is THE EQUIVALENT of ignoring that covid disproportionately affects older people, while simultaneously dodging the very real cognitive problems of Joseph R Biden. 

I'm assuming you understand the meaning of "the equivalent of" in a discussion of this nature, of course. 

I reject your assertion of any equivalency.  You're arguing by false analogy.

Furthermore, we  are talking about the POTUS and their inauguration.

Edited January 18 by Golden Duck

[+Link of Hyrule]

7 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

I reject your assertion of any equivalency.  You're arguing by false analogy.

We  are talking about the POTUS.

And taking precautions for older people (like changing venues for the inauguration) is not comparable to the cognitive decline of Joe Biden so I likewise reject your assertion of any "cognitive dissonance typically observed in a cult" (the claim I was addressing when I first responded to you).

Edited January 18 by Link of Hyrule

[Golden Duck]

19 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

And taking precautions for older people (like changing venues for the inauguration) is not comparable to the cognitive decline of Joe Biden so I likewise reject your assertion of any "cognitive dissonance typically observed in a cult" (the claim I was addressing when I first responded to you).

My claim had nothing to do with Biden.  You are the one that introduced the tenant that occupies your thoughts.

Trump toadies have long been touting how fit, healthy, and full of energy Trump is.  Now when the decision is made to hide away from the crowd it's excused because he is an old and feeble man - the oldest POTUS ever elected.  See the simple post #9.

[+Link of Hyrule]

3 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

My claim had nothing to do with Biden.  You are the one that introduced the tenant that occupies your thoughts.

Trump toadies have long been touting how fit, healthy, and full of energy Trump is.  Now when the decision is made to hide away from the crowd it's excused because he is an old and feeble man - the oldest POTUS ever elected.  See the simple post #9.

You can be fit and healthy and still take precautions for natural age.  How is there "cognitive dissonance" here?

[Unusual Tournament]

2 hours ago, susieice said:

The parade will also be indoors.

Trump's inauguration, parade to be moved indoors due to extreme cold - Washington Times

Mr. Trump said he would join the crowd at Capitol One after his swearing-in. The presidential parade will also be moved to the arena, which is home to the city’s hockey and basketball teams. 

When Mr. Trump is sworn in at noon on Monday, the temperature will be about 18 or 19 degrees, However, the wind chill will make it feel like the temperature is between 5 and 10 degrees.

I think this also plays into Trumps ego. Trump won’t have to worry about crowd sizes or being compared with other presidential inaugurations

[DarkHunter]

2 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

It sounds like you are complaining about taking a second to "Google search" and copy and paste results.  It's perfectly within the forum rules to ask for a source.

The idea cold temperatures increasing susceptibility to catching a cold is conjecture that contradicts medical advice

From past interactions with you it is reasonable to assume that the source request was not in good faith but to waste my time and to open up an opportunity for you to use a got ya type moment either by citing a refusal to post a source or to attack the source itself, which you have essentially done.

Even using your own sources have conflicting information.  From the first link

"One studyTrusted Source examined whether or not variations in temperatures and humidity led to a higher risk of rhinovirus infection. The researchers found that decreases in temperature and humidity over 3 days increased the risk of rhinovirus infections in participants.

In the same study, researchers found that most infections occurred in temperatures at zero (32°F) and below"

And

"Many researchers believe that exposure to cold weather can adversely affect a person’s immune response, making it harder for the body to fight off infections. Reasons for this may include:"

Which seems to counter what you were saying, it's bad when your own source disagrees with you but you traditionally don't actually read your sources and go with the first thing you think supports your argument.

It is interesting you focus solely on the common cold and not the effect of cold on the body's immune system which all the second link is is about the common cold.

But from past interactions with you, you can never admit to being wrong and quickly turned to word games and attacking/hand waving away sources that disagree with your position 

[Golden Duck]

29 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

You can be fit and healthy and still take precautions for natural age.  How is there "cognitive dissonance" here?

Excess age is the excuse offered for changing the normal ceremony for inauguration.  The first official function of this administration and he's too old. A couple of months ago he definitely wasn't too old.

He has the best medical treatment in the country and he hides away in the Capitol.  However, huddling indoors during colder weather makes the spread of The Cold more lively. 

Edited January 18 by Golden Duck

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

25 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Now when the decision is made to hide away from the crowd

I would bet heavy it was not Trump's call to "hide".

[Unusual Tournament]

1 hour ago, Link of Hyrule said:

As long as I've been following US politics it's been the democrats who have been dividing America with its rhetoric. 

You just got a big LOL mate. I can honestly and intelligently say that up until Trump putting up his hand for the presidency no one and I mean No One has ever been as stupid, divisive or plain cruel as your boy, Trump. 

[Golden Duck]

8 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

From past interactions with you it is reasonable to assume that the source request was not in good faith but to waste my time and to open up an opportunity for you to use a got ya type moment either by citing a refusal to post a source or to attack the source itself, which you have essentially done.

Even using your own sources have conflicting information.  From the first link

"One studyTrusted Source examined whether or not variations in temperatures and humidity led to a higher risk of rhinovirus infection. The researchers found that decreases in temperature and humidity over 3 days increased the risk of rhinovirus infections in participants.

In the same study, researchers found that most infections occurred in temperatures at zero (32°F) and below"

And

"Many researchers believe that exposure to cold weather can adversely affect a person’s immune response, making it harder for the body to fight off infections. Reasons for this may include:"

Which seems to counter what you were saying, it's bad when your own source disagrees with you but you traditionally don't actually read your sources and go with the first thing you think supports your argument.

It is interesting you focus solely on the common cold and not the effect of cold on the body's immune system which all the second link is is about the common cold.

But from past interactions with you, you can never admit to being wrong and quickly turned to word games and attacking/hand waving away sources that disagree with your position 

The claim was that RFK contracted a cold.  That was the discussion.

The studies amount to nothing more than conjecture.

It looks like you are again taking an adversarial approach to a discussion forum.  And, you are seduced by the idea to discuss me personally and creating lies.

Edited January 18 by Golden Duck

[DarkHunter]

Just now, Golden Duck said:

The claim was that RFK contracted a cold.  That was the discussion.

The studies amount to nothing more than conjecture.

It looks like you are again taking an adversarial approach tp a discussion forum.  And, you are seduced by the idea to discuss me personally and creating lies.

So studies that prove you wrong are conjecture but studies that prove you right are correct and true, don't really expect a different stance from you given past interactions.

Now the accusations, you constantly hand wave away or completely ignore anything that goes against what you believe.

[Doc Socks Junior]

3 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

The claim was that RFK contracted a cold.  That was the discussion.

The studies amount to nothing more than conjecture.

Actually, I'm pretty interested in the claim that JFK contracted a severe cold after his inauguration. I didn't find the information in a brief scan of the interwebs. JFK was also an extremely sickly human, regardless.

Also, I provide another source of information for the class:

"Cold exposure: human immune responses and intracellular cytokine expression" by Castellani et al., 2002

which reported that:

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Based on the review of the literature, there is no support for the concept that cold exposure depresses immune function.

One can even find the whole paper available to peruse.

[Golden Duck]

13 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

So studies that prove you wrong are conjecture but studies that prove you right are correct and true, don't really expect a different stance from you given past interactions.

Now the accusations, you constantly hand wave away or completely ignore anything that goes against what you believe.

It's an observation of behaviour.

My original statement was that The Cold is caused by a virus and not temperature.  That has not been disproven.

You said I don't admit when I am wrong, when you know full well I conceded that I misread a report on the defence budget of a small NATO member. Despite that admission you still resorted to personal ridicule about lacking elementary level competency in literacy.  So there is the fact about the lie you are peddling.

It raises the apprehension that you are only here to find ways ridiculing others - to instigate an interaction where you can cry loudly that you suffer personal insults; ie, flamebaiting.

If you don't want the audience to see your unpleasant course-of-conduct; don't be unpleasant.

[+Link of Hyrule]

39 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Excess age is the excuse offered for changing the normal ceremony for inauguration.  The first official function of this administration and he's too old. A couple of months ago he definitely wasn't too old.

He has the best medical treatment in the country and he hides away in the Capitol.  However, huddling indoors during colder weather makes the spread of The Cold more lively. 

You make no sense

[Golden Duck]

38 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

I would bet heavy it was not Trump's call to "hide".

He posted the following on Truth Social.  Trump doesn't lie.

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“I have ordered the Inauguration Address, in addition to prayers and other speeches, to be delivered in the United States Capitol Rotunda, as was used by Ronald Reagan in 1985, also because of very cold weather,” Mr Trump posted on Truth Social

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/huge-blow-to-trumps-inauguation-plans/news-story/25371e3df7932095af962c7d0d3d0ee3

[Golden Duck]

2 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

You make no sense

Or, you are confused.

[+Link of Hyrule]

37 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

You just got a big LOL mate. I can honestly and intelligently say that up until Trump putting up his hand for the presidency no one and I mean No One has ever been as stupid, divisive or plain cruel as your boy, Trump. 

Did not Joe Biden repeatedly say "MAGA Republicans are an existential threat to democracy", while also claiming "there aren't many real Republicans left"?

[+Link of Hyrule]

Just now, Golden Duck said:

Or, you are confused.

You're the one claiming "cognitive dissonance observed in cults", because of this, that is nonsensical, and you've not demonstrated your position is valid!

[Unusual Tournament]

1 minute ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Did not Joe Biden repeatedly say "MAGA Republicans are an existential threat to democracy", while also claiming "there aren't many real Republicans left"?

Before Trump there were no Maga and yes Hoe is spot on when calling out a segment of the Republican Party that puts hero worship above country 

[Golden Duck]

Just now, Link of Hyrule said:

You're the one claiming "cognitive dissonance observed in cults", because of this, that is nonsensical, and you've not demonstrated your position is valid!

In your confused opinion.