Trump’s outdoor inauguration has been canceled

[Unusual Tournament]

5 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

He posted the following on Truth Social.  Trump doesn't lie.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/huge-blow-to-trumps-inauguation-plans/news-story/25371e3df7932095af962c7d0d3d0ee3

Well Reagan also had an assassination attempt on his life in 1981 so inaugurating in a more secure place makes sense

[+Link of Hyrule]

1 minute ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Before Trump there were no Maga and yes Hoe is spot on when calling out a segment of the Republican Party that puts hero worship above country 

77 million votes for Trump. "Not many real Republicans left". But the "MAGA republicans" are a threat. The person who doesn't follow too closely could reasonably assume there are 77 million MAGA extremists in America who are all a threat to democracy.  And this is just one time,  the dems constantly used such othering language,  and they have done so with the aid of their media allies since at least 2019, and from my experience much further (a Buzzfeed video from 2016 popped over my Facebook memory feed the other day, apparently I shared a video about how Trump's racism was dividing America during the 2016 election,  but when I watched the video I laughed at how much spin and lies were actually there that I completely missed in 2016 because I didn't know any better,  and I'm ashamed that I feel for those lies). 

I doubt we'll change each other's opinion, so let's just say we disagree and move on. 

[Doc Socks Junior]

2 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

77 million votes for Trump. "Not many real Republicans left". But the "MAGA republicans" are a threat. The person who doesn't follow too closely could reasonably assume there are 77 million MAGA extremists in America who are all a threat to democracy. 

In Biden's speech, he said:

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Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic. 

Now, I want to be very clear, very clear up front: Not every Republican, not even the majority of Republicans, are MAGA Republicans.  Not every Republican embraces their extreme ideology.

You're presenting quotes out of context as you continually complain about the mainstream media doing.

You're a hypocrite.

But we all knew that already.

2 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

And this is just one time,  the dems constantly used such othering language,  and they have done so with the aid of their media allies since at least 2019, and from my experience much further (a Buzzfeed video from 2016 popped over my Facebook memory feed the other day, apparently I shared a video about how Trump's racism was dividing America during the 2016 election,  but when I watched the video I laughed at how much spin and lies were actually there that I completely missed in 2016 because I didn't know any better,  and I'm ashamed that I feel for those lies). 

Now you just fall for different lies.

You need to take one more step in self awareness to figure out that you're a very gullible person, and you probably should be very careful about consuming Internet content because you have no ability to discern truth or lies for yourself.

[Golden Duck]

13 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Well Reagan also had an assassination attempt on his life in 1981 so inaugurating in a more secure place makes sense

So too did Clinton. 

[+Link of Hyrule]

17 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

In your confused opinion.

Which part am I allegedly confused about,  the claim that this is "cognitive dissonance observed in cults", or that you've utterly failed to argue the validity of your position? 

If its the first, we can call a difference of opinion,  but if you legitimately think you've argued the case that moving the inauguration indoors is a sign of such cognitive dissonance you're simply incorrect! Your argument,  if it exists,  boils down to "taking reasonable steps for the health of the president", and framing that as an issue,  and that is simply NOT any kind of cognitive dissonance. You've not proven that claim, you've simply asserted it as a fact!

Edited January 18 by Link of Hyrule

[+Link of Hyrule]

3 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

In Biden's speech, he said:

You're presenting quotes out of context as you continually complain about the mainstream media doing.

You're a hypocrite.

But we all knew that already.

Now you just fall for different lies.

You need to take one more step in self awareness to figure out that you're a very gullible person, and you probably should be very careful about consuming Internet content because you have no ability to discern truth or lies for yourself.

Oh, I know the context - when he's talking to the flock,  he is happy to hype the MAGA extremists,  and when he's talking to a mixed crowd he cages his words as "some" or "not all" because he knows he won't get away with it, but that doesn't change the fact he's sowing division with his rhetoric!

[Golden Duck]

1 minute ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Which part am I allegedly confused about,  the claim that this is "cognitive dissonance observed in cults", or that you've utterly failed to argue the validity of your position? 

If its the first, we can call a difference of opinion,  but if you legitimately think you've argued the case that moving the inauguration indoors is a sign of such cognitive dissonance you're simply incorrect! Your argument,  if it exists,  boils down to "taking reasonable steps for the health of the president", and framing that as an issue,  and that is simply NOT any kind of cognitive dissonance. You've not proven that claim, you've simply asserted it as a fact!

Before today Trump was not too old to carry out the duties of The President. 

Today, in this topic, when Trump announces he won't be carrying out his first official duty as normal, the excuse that is offered that he is too old.

You yourself have built a strawman out of your own effort to misinterpret the discussion and confused yourself.

[Doc Socks Junior]

7 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Oh, I know the context - when he's talking to the flock,  he is happy to hype the MAGA extremists,  and when he's talking to a mixed crowd he cages his words as "some" or "not all" because he knows he won't get away with it, but that doesn't change the fact he's sowing division with his rhetoric!

So you know the context, and are trying to be misleading.

Hmm. Not better.

[Unusual Tournament]

30 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

77 million votes for Trump. "Not many real Republicans left". But the "MAGA republicans" are a threat. The person who doesn't follow too closely could reasonably assume there are 77 million MAGA extremists in America who are all a threat to democracy.  And this is just one time,  the dems constantly used such othering language,  and they have done so with the aid of their media allies since at least 2019, and from my experience much further (a Buzzfeed video from 2016 popped over my Facebook memory feed the other day, apparently I shared a video about how Trump's racism was dividing America during the 2016 election,  but when I watched the video I laughed at how much spin and lies were actually there that I completely missed in 2016 because I didn't know any better,  and I'm ashamed that I feel for those lies). 

I doubt we'll change each other's opinion, so let's just say we disagree and move on. 

We won’t change our minds but quickly, I did say a segment of the Republican Party a very vocal and substantial minority. The very same you call MAGA extremists in post #56

Edited January 18 by Unusual Tournament

[+and-then]

4 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

But being in the cold and/or wet for prolonged periods can reduce a person's immune system making the person more susceptible to bacteria and/or viruses.

William Henry Harrison caught a cold that became pneumonia and died about  a month later.  The weather on his inaguration was around 40F.

[+Link of Hyrule]

17 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Before today Trump was not too old to carry out the duties of The President. 

Today, in this topic, when Trump announces he won't be carrying out his first official duty as normal, the excuse that is offered that he is too old.

You yourself have built a strawman out of your own effort to misinterpret the discussion and confused yourself.

He's having an inauguration precisely as he's expected, the change of venue doesn't invalidate the ceremony nor does it demonstrate the he can't carry out his duties.

You haven't proven that an indoor ceremony means that he can't carry out the duties of president, and therefore you have not proven any cognitive dissonance - claiming that it exists doesn't make it so!

Edited January 18 by Link of Hyrule

[+Link of Hyrule]

13 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

So you know the context, and are trying to be misleading.

Hmm. Not better.

When Biden was talking to people who wouldn't push back (the party faithful) he used violent speech.  When he was talking to other crowds with a more mixed audience he toned it down,  and you're using the toned down stuff as evidence that he wasn't being divisive. 

If Trump saying "fight like hell" is divisive when he also said "peacefully and patriotically let your voices be heard", then Biden is at least equally culpable for violent rhetoric when it suits him,  even if he uses other contexts to clarify that he didn't mean ALL Trump voters.

[Golden Duck]

5 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

He's having an inauguration precisely as he's expected, the change of venue doesn't invalidate the ceremony nor does it demonstrate the he can't carry out his duties.

You haven't proven that an indoor ceremony means that he can't carry out the duties of president, and therefore you have not proven any cognitive dissonance - claiming that it exists doesn't make it so!

I have never claimed that an indoor ceremony invalidates POTUS inauguration. That's another strawman you have built.

The POTUS is normally held outside.

[Doc Socks Junior]

Just now, Link of Hyrule said:

When Biden was talking to people who wouldn't push back (the party faithful) he used violent speech.  When he was talking to other crowds with a more mixed audience he toned it down,  and you're using the toned down stuff as evidence that he wasn't being divisive. 

You selectively quoted his speech, hypocritically. It's something you complain about "the media" doing. I provided the context. 

Your new tack of discussion, trying to detail the discussion to a completely different president from the Old Felon Don who is scared of the cold, is appreciated by me in a meta-context, but I will not participate in your further thread derailment.

Just now, Link of Hyrule said:

If Trump saying "fight like hell" is divisive when he also said "peacefully and patriotically let your voices be heard", then Biden is at least equally culpable for violent rhetoric when it suits him,  even if he uses other contexts to clarify that he didn't mean ALL Trump voters.

It's literally from the same speech. Now, we've established your hypocrisy, let's not further devolve into an example of how you try to detail Trump threads by fighting about Sleepy Joe.

[psyche101]

45 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Well Reagan also had an assassination attempt on his life in 1981 so inaugurating in a more secure place makes sense

Yeah, but that's been done and security will be tighter than ever before. 

I'd say it's obvious they are worried about a feeble old man in the snow, maybe getting lost on the green. Or are his handlers worried he will do something as stupid and unpredictable as he did in 2020 and want a proper leash on him this time? Could even be president musk's idea. 

We don't really know, but we do know he is old feeble and that his mind is going and that's being covered up as " the weave". Let's face it, inauguration should be in Florida at the Sunscape Boca Raton.

[psyche101]

I'm suspecting the indoor inauguration is a ruse. 

It's to keep Don the con busy while the REAL inauguration happens outside.......

 

Edited January 18 by psyche101

[+susieice]

20 minutes ago, and-then said:

William Henry Harrison caught a cold that became pneumonia and died about  a month later.  The weather on his inaguration was around 40F.

I was just going to say this. They say he talked for almost 2 hours. His inauguration was in March.

[+and-then]

24 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

When Biden was talking to people who wouldn't push back (the party faithful) he used violent speech.

Perfect example of "Dark Brandon"

[DarkHunter]

1 hour ago, Golden Duck said:

It's an observation of behaviour.

My original statement was that The Cold is caused by a virus and not temperature.  That has not been disproven.

You said I don't admit when I am wrong, when you know full well I conceded that I misread a report on the defence budget of a small NATO member. Despite that admission you still resorted to personal ridicule about lacking elementary level competency in literacy.  So there is the fact about the lie you are peddling.

It raises the apprehension that you are only here to find ways ridiculing others - to instigate an interaction where you can cry loudly that you suffer personal insults; ie, flamebaiting.

If you don't want the audience to see your unpleasant course-of-conduct; don't be unpleasant.

As of most interactions with you they always devolve into this nonsense when you can no longer defend your position.

This in particular is a good starting point

1 hour ago, Golden Duck said:

My original statement was that The Cold is caused by a virus and not temperature.  That has not been disproven.

But you did attack my claim that the cold suppress immune system, demanding sources than hand waving away such sources as conjecture which you constantly do when something doesn't go your way.  In this particular case what didn't go your way was your attempt to prove me wrong.

Then there is this

1 hour ago, Golden Duck said:

You said I don't admit when I am wrong, when you know full well I conceded that I misread a report on the defence budget of a small NATO member. Despite that admission you still resorted to personal ridicule about lacking elementary level competency in literacy.  So there is the fact about the lie you are peddling.

How long did it take you to admit that and how long did you fight it until you were forced to finally admit you were wrong.  That was only one interactions, there have been others where you simply hand wave away anything and everything that proves you wrong.  If you wouldn't of kept arguing you were right in that situation and making a fool of yourself until so much evidence was presented you couldn't deny it anymore then the competency of your literacy wouldn't of been questioned.  Good to see you hold onto grudges, must really bother you that you had to admit you were wrong.

Then there is the end of post personal attack, I just point out that the people who claim to be better morally or claim to be intelligent or any number of things are just as bad if not worse than the people they denigrate.  Right or wrong you use personal attacks too and you show that you are rather unpleasant yourself 

[psyche101]

43 minutes ago, and-then said:

Perfect example of "Dark Brandon"

You are so out of touch that in embarrassed for you. 

The transcript for that speech was awesome. 

Here 

 

 

 

President musk stole the look because it's that good.

 

Edited January 18 by psyche101

[Unusual Tournament]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

William Henry Harrison caught a cold that became pneumonia and died about  a month later.  The weather on his inaguration was around 40F.

Yeah but apparently Trump is a big fan of injecting bleach. Should kill any virus or cold

[Unusual Tournament]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

William Henry Harrison caught a cold that became pneumonia and died about  a month later.  The weather on his inaguration was around 40F.

Yeah but Trump is protected by God from the cold weather

[Golden Duck]

16 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

As of most interactions with you they always devolve into this nonsense when you can no longer defend your position.

This in particular is a good starting point

But you did attack my claim that the cold suppress immune system, demanding sources than hand waving away such sources as conjecture which you constantly do when something doesn't go your way.  In this particular case what didn't go your way was your attempt to prove me wrong.

Then there is this

How long did it take you to admit that and how long did you fight it until you were forced to finally admit you were wrong.  That was only one interactions, there have been others where you simply hand wave away anything and everything that proves you wrong.  If you wouldn't of kept arguing you were right in that situation and making a fool of yourself until so much evidence was presented you couldn't deny it anymore then the competency of your literacy wouldn't of been questioned.  Good to see you hold onto grudges, must really bother you that you had to admit you were wrong.

Then there is the end of post personal attack, I just point out that the people who claim to be better morally or claim to be intelligent or any number of things are just as bad if not worse than the people they denigrate.  Right or wrong you use personal attacks too and you show that you are rather unpleasant yourself 

I characterised your claim as conjecture. The medical advice states cold temperatures do not cause colds.  Huddling inside during adverse weather is a major cause of viruses spreading.  This also explains why we see viruses spread during the wet season in tropical climates.

You have provided aome studies on request.  The advice from medical professional remains the same.

Your lie was that I never admit that I am wrong.  You remember it too so you knowingly posted a lie in public for the purpose of public ridicule.  I didn't mention it until you lied.  Now that your course-of-conduct has been exposed you choose further personal riducule by mischaracterising a functioning memory as a grudge.

You have presented recollections of interactions with me.  By your moral code you must harbour a grudge towards me.  It might explain the adversarial approach, but you do it to many other users too.

Your last paragraph is nonsense virtue signalling.  I made observations about your course-of-conduct and and even suggested you can change that.

[+Link of Hyrule]

1 hour ago, Golden Duck said:

I have never claimed that an indoor ceremony invalidates POTUS inauguration. That's another strawman you have built.

The POTUS is normally held outside.

I assume your mean the inauguration is normally held outside. 

What you said was: "when Trump announces he won't be carrying out his first official duty as normal, the excuse that is offered that he is too old.". Where does this imply Trump is unfit to fulfil his duties? If it doesn't show he can't fulfil his duties then how can there be "cognitive dissonance as observed in cults"? Simply saying it's normally held outdoors doesn't cut it as an answer when the temperatures are expected to be as low as they are! 

[+Link of Hyrule]

1 hour ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

You selectively quoted his speech, hypocritically. It's something you complain about "the media" doing. I provided the context. 

Your new tack of discussion, trying to detail the discussion to a completely different president from the Old Felon Don who is scared of the cold, is appreciated by me in a meta-context, but I will not participate in your further thread derailment.

It's literally from the same speech. Now, we've established your hypocrisy, let's not further devolve into an example of how you try to detail Trump threads by fighting about Sleepy Joe.

How about a compromise,  can we agree that Trump was being as inflammatory on January 6, 2021 as Joe Biden was being inflammatory on September 2, 2022. Fair?

Edited January 18 by Link of Hyrule