Golden Duck Posted January 18 #76 Share Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said: I assume your mean the inauguration is normally held outside. What you said was: "when Trump announces he won't be carrying out his first official duty as normal, the excuse that is offered that he is too old.". Where does this imply Trump is unfit to fulfil his duties? If it doesn't show he can't fulfil his duties then how can there be "cognitive dissonance as observed in cults"? Simply saying it's normally held outdoors doesn't cut it as an answer when the temperatures are expected to be as low as they are! Yes I left out a word by mistake. I meant to state that the POTUS inauguration is normally held outside. It has already been mentioned that temperatures have been as low as that in the past. Again, I refer you to the excuse offered in post #9. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted January 18 #77 Share Posted January 18 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: Yes I left out a word by mistake. I meant to state that the POTUS inauguration is normally held outside. It has already been mentioned that temperatures have been as low as that in the past. Again, I refer you to the excuse offered in post #9. Great, we agree that temperatures have been low in the past. How does this show Trump cannot fulfil his job? What part of moving indoors makes it so wrong? You've simply stated it's a matter of cognitive dissonance to say that it's OK to move it indoors and you've forced everyone to assume that's true without ever evidencing that to be so. If that is your opinion, fine, I disagree as mentioned a few posts back (post #55, I think) and its OK to have different views, that's the beauty of life, but if you legitimately think you've proven cognitive dissonance (specifically akin to the dissonance seen in cults) then I'll fight you every step of the way as you've not even attempted to prove it - stating it to be so isn't proof that it is so! Edited January 18 by Link of Hyrule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 18 #78 Share Posted January 18 30 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said: Great, we agree that temperatures have been low in the past. How does this show Trump cannot fulfil his job? What part of moving indoors makes it so wrong? You've simply stated it's a matter of cognitive dissonance to say that it's OK to move it indoors and you've forced everyone to assume that's true without ever evidencing that to be so. If that is your opinion, fine, I disagree as mentioned a few posts back (post #55, I think) and its OK to have different views, that's the beauty of life, but if you legitimately think you've proven cognitive dissonance (specifically akin to the dissonance seen in cults) then I'll fight you every step of the way as you've not even attempted to prove it - stating it to be so isn't proof that it is so! I recall you often complaining about people misquoting you. Now you are asserting that I am claiming that Trump can't fulfil his job. You can't quote me saying that because that is another strawman you have built. The POTUS inauguration ceremony is normally held outside. Trump's inauguration ceremony won't be held as normal. The excuse, offered in post #9, was that he is old. Yesterday Trump was not too old to be President. Today, the excusr is that he is too old for the normal POTUS inauguration ceremony. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted January 18 #79 Share Posted January 18 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: I recall you often complaining about people misquoting you. Now you are asserting that I am claiming that Trump can't fulfil his job. You can't quote me saying that because that is another strawman you have built. Perhaps you can help clarify - if Trump can fulfil his job then where is the "cognitive dissonance observed in cults" that you claimed? Trump supporters are saying he is not too old to do his job, how is holding an indoor ceremony a problem here? If you cannot evidence this, you've totally failed to prove that there is "cognitive dissonance as observed in cults". I apologise for assuming that you thought cognitive dissonance also means Trump can't do his job. From where I sit the two seem impossible to reconcile - if Trump can do the job then there's no cognitive dissonance. But you've claimed you haven't said this, and I therefore disagree with any categorisation you make about this. 47 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: The POTUS inauguration ceremony is normally held outside. Trump's inauguration ceremony won't be held as normal. The excuse, offered in post #9, was that he is old. Yesterday Trump was not too old to be President. Today, the excusr is that he is too old for the normal POTUS inauguration ceremony. Does being cautious about the health of someone with the immune system of a 78 year old suggest "cognitive dissonance as observed in cults"? Post #9 was intended to point out that there is a very good reason why Trump's inauguration won't be the same as JFK's - JFK isn't as old as Trump was. That's simply a fact, not cognitive dissonance. Being cautious with compromised immune systems is normal, it's why elderly people get priority treatment more often than not if they are admitted to hospital, it doesn't mean the person is unfit to hold a job. It's just that doctors know older people have medical needs different to other demographics. As long as the medical concern isn't getting in the way of the job (eg, forcing a POTUS to rearrange their meetings for the parts of the day where they are awake enough to participate) then I don't see how you can claim cognitive dissonance. Edited January 18 by Link of Hyrule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 18 #80 Share Posted January 18 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said: Perhaps you can help clarify - if Trump can fulfil his job then where is the "cognitive dissonance observed in cults" that you claimed? Trump supporters are saying he is not too old to do his job, how is holding an indoor ceremony a problem here? If you cannot evidence this, you've totally failed to prove that there is "cognitive dissonance as observed in cults". I apologise for assuming that you thought cognitive dissonance also means Trump can't do his job. From where I sit the two seem impossible to reconcile - if Trump can do the job then there's no cognitive dissonance. But you've claimed you haven't said this, and I therefore disagree with any categorisation you make about this. Does being cautious about the health of someone with the immune system of a 78 year old suggest "cognitive dissonance as observed in cults"? Post #9 was intended to point out that there is a very good reason why Trump's inauguration won't be the same as JFK's - JFK isn't as old as Trump was. That's simply a fact, not cognitive dissonance. Being cautious with compromised immune systems is normal, it's why elderly people get priority treatment more often than not if they are admitted to hospital, it doesn't mean the person is unfit to hold a job. It's just that doctors know older people have medical needs different to other demographics. As long as the medical concern isn't getting in the way of the job (eg, forcing a POTUS to rearrange their meetings for the parts of the day where they are awake enough to participate) then I don't see how you can claim cognitive dissonance. You're making excuses because of Trump's age. While at the same time saying the oldest ever elected POTUS is not too old. Trumo claims he is hale and hearty. And now you are diagnosing Trump with a compromised immune system. You must know something in those Trump's medical records - that haven't been released as Presidential Candidates normally do. The fact that RFK was in fact 43 is irrelevant. This is another logical fallacy introduced for some unlnown reason. I think you are demonstrating cognitive dissonance well enough on your own by the repeated need to build strawman. Edited January 18 by Golden Duck 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted January 18 #81 Share Posted January 18 18 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: You're making excuses because of Trump's age. While at the same time saying the oldest ever elected POTUS is not too old. Trumo claims he is hale and hearty. And now you are diagnosing Trump with a compromised immune system. You must know something in those Trump's medical records - that haven't been released as Presidential Candidates normally do. The fact that RFK was in fact 43 is irrelevant. This is another logical fallacy introduced for some unlnown reason. I think you are demonstrating cognitive dissonance well enough on your own by the repeated need to build strawman. When it stops him from doing his job then come and we can chat again. Until then, I reject your claims in totality. I didn't diagnose anyone, I simply stated a fact that older people are more susceptible to illness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 18 #82 Share Posted January 18 6 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said: When it stops him from doing his job then come and we can chat again. Until then, I reject your claims in totality. I didn't diagnose anyone, I simply stated a fact that older people are more susceptible to illness. You're free to reject whatever you like champ. But, we knew you would get to the point of defending Trump in any which way you can - as you always do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted January 18 #83 Share Posted January 18 Actually, Old Don the Felon kept up with interesting recent research, he might think to do a brisk walk to the podium, endure the biting cold, then briskly walk to some indoor place in order to see a boost to his immune system. https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/jappl.1999.87.2.699# Quote These results indicate that acute cold exposure has immunostimulating effects and that, with thermal clamping, pretreatment with physical exercise can enhance this response. I also note that a previous review study quoted in this thread was concerned primarily with small mammal studies. In point of fact, the study specifically notes the need for evidence in actual humans. While Don the Felon may resemble a rat, such moral resemblance may not be a good comparator for health outcomes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted January 18 #84 Share Posted January 18 Wow, all this over a change in venue. Lots of exploding heads in the next four years. Note that Trump isn’t the only older person attending the inauguration,. bill and Hillary, George and Laura and many others.I’m sure. https://time.com/7207709/trump-inauguration-guest-list-tech-executives-foreign-leaders-celebrities-politicians/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Waters Posted January 18 #85 Share Posted January 18 Large crowds are expected to march in Washington DC today to protest against the incoming Trump administration The People's March begins at 10:00 local time (15:00 GMT) and is expected to draw up to 50,000 people to the US capital Meanwhile, preparations are continuing for the inauguration of President-elect Donald Trump - the ceremony has been moved indoors due to dangerously cold weather being forecast next week Trump is due to arrive in DC later for a series of events before being sworn in on Monday Live Reporting - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5y7x2dv558t 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Waters Posted January 18 #86 Share Posted January 18 Awkward inauguration moments From flashy fashion choices to weird parade floats, here are some of the most awkward moments in the history of US presidential inaugurations. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cdd9956pz1vo 02:24 Video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted January 18 #87 Share Posted January 18 3 hours ago, WVK said: Wow, all this over a change in venue. Lots of exploding heads in the next four years. Note that Trump isn’t the only older person attending the inauguration,. bill and Hillary, George and Laura and many others.I’m sure. https://time.com/7207709/trump-inauguration-guest-list-tech-executives-foreign-leaders-celebrities-politicians/ Frostbite wouldn't be an option for me. Windy and a wind chill in the single digits means inside is good. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted January 18 #88 Share Posted January 18 11 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said: Yeah but apparently Trump is a big fan of injecting bleach. Should kill any virus or cold Tell me, have you reached a level of comfort with repeating long-debunked LIES, or are you just having fun? At least those lies had some purpose behind them originally. They were intended to remove him and keep him from ever challenging the DC powers that be, ever again. With his overwhelming re-election, they just sound petty and spiteful when repeated. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted January 18 #89 Share Posted January 18 25 minutes ago, and-then said: Tell me, have you reached a level of comfort with repeating long-debunked LIES, or are you just having fun? At least those lies had some purpose behind them originally. They were intended to remove him and keep him from ever challenging the DC powers that be, ever again. With his overwhelming re-election, they just sound petty and spiteful when repeated. Just curious, chief, as a noted purveyor of lies yourself, do you find any irony at all in your statements? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDueDiligence Posted January 18 Author #90 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, and-then said: Tell me, have you reached a level of comfort with repeating long-debunked LIES, or are you just having fun? At least those lies had some purpose behind them originally. They were intended to remove him and keep him from ever challenging the DC powers that be, ever again. With his overwhelming re-election, they just sound petty and spiteful when repeated. How can they be lies when Trump said it? https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/23/trump-bleach-one-year-484399 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDueDiligence Posted January 18 Author #91 Share Posted January 18 5 hours ago, WVK said: Wow, all this over a change in venue. Lots of exploding heads in the next four years. Note that Trump isn’t the only older person attending the inauguration,. bill and Hillary, George and Laura and many others.I’m sure. https://time.com/7207709/trump-inauguration-guest-list-tech-executives-foreign-leaders-celebrities-politicians/ What a guy Trump is. Always thinking about the welfare of his guests 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted January 18 #92 Share Posted January 18 Well how about the obvious? Despite the fact that attendees who have been interviewed in DC came from all over the country, the cold might have affected crowd size. A small crowd would have been very disappointing to the Trump administration. It wouldn't look like much of a mandate, and no doubt the MSM would put it up for everybody to see. But all is not lost. The same people that supply all the money to corrupt DC will still be able to sit in comfort in the Rotunda, and not even have to mix with the MAGA hoi polloi. It will be quite a party with all of those million dollar tables of VIP supporters. No get acquainted potlucks or church socials for those that cannot pony up a million bucks to sit in Trump's presence. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megaro Posted January 18 #93 Share Posted January 18 2 hours ago, susieice said: Frostbite wouldn't be an option for me. Windy and a wind chill in the single digits means inside is good. It actually is just this simple. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted January 18 #94 Share Posted January 18 (edited) 13 hours ago, Golden Duck said: You're free to reject whatever you like champ. But, we knew you would get to the point of defending Trump in any which way you can - as you always do. As long as you aren't claiming without evidence that there is "cognitive dissonance as observed in cults", I've got nothing to say. If you're continuing that claim I'll continue to argue against it as you haven't even evidenced it. Edit: to be clear, You can BELIEVE whatever you like, and if its your opinion that this is cognitive dissonance, that's another thing completely - everyone is free to opinions, and I respect you for it even if I disagree. But if you're claiming it as FACT, as seems you've been doing so far, I'll be challenging it. I've asked for proof and you've not provided a single shred. Prove it or acknowledge it's an opinion, in other words. Edited January 18 by Link of Hyrule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDueDiligence Posted January 18 Author #95 Share Posted January 18 15 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said: As long as you aren't claiming without evidence that there is "cognitive dissonance as observed in cults", I've got nothing to say. If you're continuing that claim I'll continue to argue against it as you haven't even evidenced it. Edit: to be clear, You can BELIEVE whatever you like, and if its your opinion that this is cognitive dissonance, that's another thing completely - everyone is free to opinions, and I respect you for it even if I disagree. But if you're claiming it as FACT, as seems you've been doing so far, I'll be challenging it. I've asked for proof and you've not provided a single shred. Do you think this qualifies as Trump cognitive dissonance? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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+Link of Hyrule Posted January 19 #97 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: Do you think this qualifies as Trump cognitive dissonance? Hmm, jokes about Canda becoming the 51st State vs a decision to move venues indoors, I don't see any problem with this at all. But even if this was 100% cognitive dissonance (it isn't) it wouldn't answer the question that Golden Duck is trying to allege is fact without any evidence. Edited January 19 by Link of Hyrule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 19 #98 Share Posted January 19 56 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said: As long as you aren't claiming without evidence that there is "cognitive dissonance as observed in cults", I've got nothing to say. If you're continuing that claim I'll continue to argue against it as you haven't even evidenced it. Edit: to be clear, You can BELIEVE whatever you like, and if its your opinion that this is cognitive dissonance, that's another thing completely - everyone is free to opinions, and I respect you for it even if I disagree. But if you're claiming it as FACT, as seems you've been doing so far, I'll be challenging it. I've asked for proof and you've not provided a single shred. Prove it or acknowledge it's an opinion, in other words. For an idol that was purported to be fit, strong, and energetic, we now see the excuse of excess age. Your own mind is erratic as is evident by your repeated building of strawmen. You're the very proof you seek. If you're comfortable with your perception being corrupted at Trump's every whim that's understandable - not excuseable, but understandable. You're promise to keep responding might be respectable if it wasn't obsessive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted January 19 #99 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: For an idol that was purported to be fit, strong, and energetic, we now see the excuse of excess age. Your own mind is erratic as is evident by your repeated building of strawmen. You're the very proof you seek. How is moving indoors evidence that he is not fit strong or energetic? He can be all three of things things and still have the immune system of a 78 year old which means taking precautions. Being fit and strong and energetic doesn't mean you treat life like you're still prime in your 30s. That's like saying Andrew Johns or Fatty Vautin or Peter Sterling or Cliff Lyons are not fit or strong or energetic, just because they can't play first grade rugby league any longer. They're probably still a thousand times fitter than the average Australian will ever be. And if we were going to give one of them an award then doing it in temperatures as low as expected at inauguration is simply ridiculous. If the cold is stopping him from DOING HIS JOB, then I'd agree that we would have something to talk about. But without that crucial piece of information I don't see that you have a case to argue. Moving indoors isn't proof he can't do his job, and it isn't proof he isn't fit enough for the job and therefore there is no proof of "congnitive dissonance as observed in cults".. 16 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: If you're comfortable with your perception being corrupted at Trump's every whim that's understandable - not excuseable, but understandable. You're promise to keep responding might be respectable if it wasn't obsessive. Edited January 19 by Link of Hyrule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted January 19 #100 Share Posted January 19 Who wants to attend anything when the temps are that cold...except die hard football fans? 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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