Bigfoot was once included in an official US Army atlas of Washington state

[UM-Bot]

The inclusion of Sasquatch as being part of the state's recognized wildlife has long proven a curiosity.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/383964/bigfoot-was-once-included-in-an-official-us-army-atlas-of-washington-state

[Piney]

Dix did it with the Jersey Devil here....

It's called "sarcasm".

[Alchopwn]

11 hours ago, UM-Bot said:

The inclusion of Sasquatch as being part of the state's recognized wildlife has long proven a curiosity.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/383964/bigfoot-was-once-included-in-an-official-us-army-atlas-of-washington-state

Well well well...  This is very interesting. The evidence has been pointing to the indecision of the government about disclosing BF's existence back in the 1970s, but they elected to deny everything in the long term, apparently.    

I wonder when the special forces missions to wipe out sasquatches who prey on humans will get disclosed?

I've met ex-special forces individuals who claimed to have been involved with such missions.  They told me that sasquatches can throw rocks with the force of a Napoleonic era cannonball, and no bullet resistant jacket or helmet could protect them with much reliability from a direct hit.  Apparently they hated the missions, because the firearms they were issued with seemed to be unable to drop a sasquatch with any reliability (the reason being supposed to be insufficient caliber rounds), and they often suffered high injury and fatality rates due to the ability of sasquatches to perform ambushes that seemed impossible given the infrared and night scope gear of the forces deployed.  They obviously found the idea that sasquatches were so dangerous to US special forces to be galling in the extreme, given the pre-stone age development of their adversaries.  Apparently they even rescued people who had been held captive by sasquatches on occasion, but often the captives were eaten, but generally only after they died.

Have I been lied to?  Perhaps.  They were good liars if that were the case.  One of them looked like he could bench press a steer if it weren't for the fact he only had one arm.  He claimed it was hit by a rock the size of a child's head, thrown by a BF with enough force to shatter the bones into a thousand shards and nearly take it off.  Can anyone guess why he wasn't allowed to keep his X-Ray?

Edited January 23 by Alchopwn

[Resume]

2 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

Well well well...  This is very interesting. The evidence has been pointing to the indecision of the government about disclosing BF's existence back in the 1970s, but they elected to deny everything in the long term, apparently.    

I wonder when the special forces missions to wipe out sasquatches who prey on humans will get disclosed?

I've met ex-special forces individuals who claimed to have been involved with such missions.  They told me that sasquatches can throw rocks with the force of a Napoleonic era cannonball, and no bullet resistant jacket or helmet could protect them with much reliability from a direct hit.  Apparently they hated the missions, because the firearms they were issued with seemed to be unable to drop a sasquatch with any reliability (the reason being supposed to be insufficient caliber rounds), and they often suffered high injury and fatality rates due to the ability of sasquatches to perform ambushes that seemed impossible given the infrared and night scope gear of the forces deployed.  They obviously found the idea that sasquatches were so dangerous to US special forces to be galling in the extreme, given the pre-stone age development of their adversaries.  Apparently they even rescued people who had been held captive by sasquatches on occasion, but often the captives were eaten, but generally only after they died.

Have I been lied to?  Perhaps.  They were good liars if that were the case.  One of them looked like he could bench press a steer if it weren't for the fact he only had one arm.  He claimed it was hit by a rock the size of a child's head, thrown by a BF with enough force to shatter the bones into a thousand shards and nearly take it off.  Can anyone guess why he wasn't allowed to keep his X-Ray?

Gulled again!

[Trelane]

17 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

Well well well...  This is very interesting. The evidence has been pointing to the indecision of the government about disclosing BF's existence back in the 1970s, but they elected to deny everything in the long term, apparently.    

I wonder when the special forces missions to wipe out sasquatches who prey on humans will get disclosed?

I've met ex-special forces individuals who claimed to have been involved with such missions.  They told me that sasquatches can throw rocks with the force of a Napoleonic era cannonball, and no bullet resistant jacket or helmet could protect them with much reliability from a direct hit.  Apparently they hated the missions, because the firearms they were issued with seemed to be unable to drop a sasquatch with any reliability (the reason being supposed to be insufficient caliber rounds), and they often suffered high injury and fatality rates due to the ability of sasquatches to perform ambushes that seemed impossible given the infrared and night scope gear of the forces deployed.  They obviously found the idea that sasquatches were so dangerous to US special forces to be galling in the extreme, given the pre-stone age development of their adversaries.  Apparently they even rescued people who had been held captive by sasquatches on occasion, but often the captives were eaten, but generally only after they died.

Have I been lied to?  Perhaps.  They were good liars if that were the case.  One of them looked like he could bench press a steer if it weren't for the fact he only had one arm.  He claimed it was hit by a rock the size of a child's head, thrown by a BF with enough force to shatter the bones into a thousand shards and nearly take it off.  Can anyone guess why he wasn't allowed to keep his X-Ray?

1) Likely. the "cool guys" like to spin all kinds of tales.  He might have been serious. That is if this encounter you claim even happened.

2) Nobody just gets to keep anything from their medical record. They have to specifically request items associated with their medical record, to include imaging, upon separation from AD.

[Piney]

42 minutes ago, Trelane said:

1) Likely. the "cool guys" like to spin all kinds of tales.  He might have been serious. That is if this encounter you claim even happened.

2) Nobody just gets to keep anything from their medical record. They have to specifically request items associated with their medical record, to include imaging, upon separation from AD.

Your medical records are classified even from you in some situations. 

[Trelane]

So an official document of a specific time period mistakenly included a mythical creature? Shocked, shocked I say.

[Alchopwn]

On 1/23/2025 at 1:05 PM, Resume said:

Gulled again!

Perhaps.  Time will tell.

[Trelane]

I think more than enough time, observation and study has shown enough. 

The creature, as described, does not exist.

 

[Resume]

16 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

Perhaps.  Time will tell.

As Trelane noted, it has done told.  In the natural history of North America, the fossil record, numerous expeditions and investigations, there is no,  zero (0), physical evidence of a continentally distributed, breeding population of 6 to 9 ft tall bipedal apes, where such evidence would be expected.  

No bones, pieces of bones, jaws, teeth, hair, bigfoot rugs in the lodges of First Nation/Native Americans, scat, DNA, or anything else.

Of all the credulous nonsense I have examined, from my role as a resident skeptic in a paranormal group years ago, to today, I am the most confident that bigfoot is the most easily debunked.  Here's the kicker: If somehow a footie body is extracted from a cool rainforest in the PNW, I would be helpless but to say, "that there is a bigfoot" because that is the intellectually honest thing to do.  But due to the paucity of evidence for such a creature, I am, was, and remain, intellectually honest to be skeptical.  

[joseraul]

On 1/22/2025 at 4:56 AM, UM-Bot said:

The inclusion of Sasquatch as being part of the state's recognized wildlife has long proven a curiosity.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/383964/bigfoot-was-once-included-in-an-official-us-army-atlas-of-washington-state

That's because it's real

[Mr.UFO]

I wonder if they ever did the same thing for Oregon.

[Mr.UFO]

15 hours ago, Trelane said:

I think more than enough time, observation and study has shown enough. 

The creature, as described, does not exist.

 

Some say that they are so hard to find because they move between dimensions. That's an easy way to evade the question of why dead bigfoot are never found lying around.

[Resume]

7 hours ago, Mr.UFO said:

Some say that they are so hard to find because they move between dimensions. That's an easy way to evade the question of why dead bigfoot are never found lying around.

Attempting to explain one undemonstrated phenomenon with another undemonstrated phenomenon is the height of illogic.

[Mr.UFO]

9 hours ago, Resume said:

Attempting to explain one undemonstrated phenomenon with another undemonstrated phenomenon is the height of illogic.

You now advance to our bonus round. I once wrote an opening thread topic (not on here) stating the same thing.

[Alchopwn]

On 1/25/2025 at 2:06 PM, Resume said:

As Trelane noted, it has done told.  In the natural history of North America, the fossil record, numerous expeditions and investigations, there is no,  zero (0), physical evidence of a continentally distributed, breeding population of 6 to 9 ft tall bipedal apes, where such evidence would be expected.  

The fossil record is far from perfect.  Few creatures leave any trace of themselves in the fossil record.  Only a fraction of a fraction of 1 percent become fossils.  The chances are vanishingly small.  Most species live and die without leaving any fossils at all.  It's a simple sad fact.  As to BF, given its penchant for cannibalism, and small family group dynamics,  I wouldn't expect there to be many bodies.

On 1/25/2025 at 2:06 PM, Resume said:

No bones, pieces of bones, jaws, teeth, hair, bigfoot rugs in the lodges of First Nation/Native Americans, scat, DNA, or anything else.

The FBI labs have all that on forensic file, but likely due to the legal costs associated with insuring national parks against BF related disappearance cases, they don't want to release the info.  I mean, govt cover-up of a lethal threat to the public is an open-and-shut case.  Better for the Feds to deny BFs existence.

On 1/25/2025 at 2:06 PM, Resume said:

Of all the credulous nonsense I have examined, from my role as a resident skeptic in a paranormal group years ago, to today, I am the most confident that bigfoot is the most easily debunked.  

The French Academy said the same thing about meteorites despite hundreds of eyewitnesses.  "There are no rocks in the sky, ergo rocks cannot fall from the sky" they said. The fact is that hundreds of people every year see sasquatches, most of whom make no effort to profit from what they saw, and we don't get to hear about it because of "skeptics" who ridicule them for telling the truth.  I personally find it far more interesting to pick over the burgeoning folklore to pick out the clues about what we are actually dealing with, rather than indulge your sterile, sneering "skepticism".

[Trelane]

3 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

The fossil record is far from perfect.  Few creatures leave any trace of themselves in the fossil record.  Only a fraction of a fraction of 1 percent become fossils.  The chances are vanishingly small.  Most species live and die without leaving any fossils at all.  It's a simple sad fact.  As to BF, given its penchant for cannibalism, and small family group dynamics,  I wouldn't expect there to be many bodies.

The FBI labs have all that on forensic file, but likely due to the legal costs associated with insuring national parks against BF related disappearance cases, they don't want to release the info.  I mean, govt cover-up of a lethal threat to the public is an open-and-shut case.  Better for the Feds to deny BFs existence.

The French Academy said the same thing about meteorites despite hundreds of eyewitnesses.  "There are no rocks in the sky, ergo rocks cannot fall from the sky" they said. The fact is that hundreds of people every year see sasquatches, most of whom make no effort to profit from what they saw, and we don't get to hear about it because of "skeptics" who ridicule them for telling the truth.  I personally find it far more interesting to pick over the burgeoning folklore to pick out the clues about what we are actually dealing with, rather than indulge your sterile, sneering "skepticism".

1) Unsubstantiated claim and at best creative speculation. Simply not true.

2) Another unsubstantiated claim, based on nothing. Swing and a miss.

3) You really tried with the meteor thing didn't you? That's special. Unfortunate but still special. Sure bring up some random item from over 200 years ago to support your baseless claims. Bold strategy there.

 

You, and others, don't care to discuss with skeptics on this particular topic because the multitude of factors that demolish the notion of the creature, as described, existing.

[Resume]

14 minutes ago, Trelane said:

1) Unsubstantiated claim and at best creative speculation. Simply not true.

2) Another unsubstantiated claim, based on nothing. Swing and a miss.

3) You really tried with the meteor thing didn't you? That's special. Unfortunate but still special. Sure bring up some random item from over 200 years ago to support your baseless claims. Bold strategy there.

 

You, and others, don't care to discuss with skeptics on this particular topic because the multitude of factors that demolish the notion of the creature, as described, existing.

Thanks for shoveling that poster's baseless bull **** and gaslighting into the bin where it belongs. 

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You, and others, don't care to discuss with skeptics on this particular topic because the multitude of factors that demolish the notion of the creature, as described, existing.

It's so amusing the sheer amount of pretend it takes to be a bigfoot enthusiast.  As Feynman once noted the first thing not to do is fool yourself, and you're the easiest person to fool.

Edited January 28 by Resume

[Resume]

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The fossil record is far from perfect.  Few creatures leave any trace of themselves in the fossil record.  Only a fraction of a fraction of 1 percent become fossils.  The chances are vanishingly small.  Most species live and die without leaving any fossils at all.  It's a simple sad fact.

My OCD won't let this go; this is an easily debunked bigfoot apologist shibboleth,

Bigfoot are an alleged extant 6 to 9 foot bipedal ape of continental distribution.  All extant large mammals in NA are in the fossil record, that's a simple fact*..  If real, footie would be there as well.

 

* Deer, bear, moose, muskox, bison, wolves, wolverines, elk, caribou, etc.

Edited January 29 by Resume

[Nobu]

On 1/22/2025 at 6:01 PM, Alchopwn said:

Well well well...  This is very interesting. The evidence has been pointing to the indecision of the government about disclosing BF's existence back in the 1970s, but they elected to deny everything in the long term, apparently.    

I wonder when the special forces missions to wipe out sasquatches who prey on humans will get disclosed?

I've met ex-special forces individuals who claimed to have been involved with such missions.  They told me that sasquatches can throw rocks with the force of a Napoleonic era cannonball, and no bullet resistant jacket or helmet could protect them with much reliability from a direct hit.  Apparently they hated the missions, because the firearms they were issued with seemed to be unable to drop a sasquatch with any reliability (the reason being supposed to be insufficient caliber rounds), and they often suffered high injury and fatality rates due to the ability of sasquatches to perform ambushes that seemed impossible given the infrared and night scope gear of the forces deployed.  They obviously found the idea that sasquatches were so dangerous to US special forces to be galling in the extreme, given the pre-stone age development of their adversaries.  Apparently they even rescued people who had been held captive by sasquatches on occasion, but often the captives were eaten, but generally only after they died.

Have I been lied to?  Perhaps.  They were good liars if that were the case.  One of them looked like he could bench press a steer if it weren't for the fact he only had one arm.  He claimed it was hit by a rock the size of a child's head, thrown by a BF with enough force to shatter the bones into a thousand shards and nearly take it off.  Can anyone guess why he wasn't allowed to keep his X-Ray?

I can’t tell if you are trying to be humorous or not. I mean that’s one hell of a tall tale you just casually tossed out there.

 

Bigfoot does not exist. It is literally impossible for it to have existed in North America in the last 130 years.

[Alchopwn]

18 hours ago, Nobu said:

I can’t tell if you are trying to be humorous or not. I mean that’s one hell of a tall tale you just casually tossed out there.

The guys I spoke to are not the only ones telling it.

18 hours ago, Nobu said:

Bigfoot does not exist. It is literally impossible for it to have existed in North America in the last 130 years.

I disagree.  There is ample virgin wilderness in Alaska and the Pacific Northwest where a large mammal could go undetected.  Of course it hasn't gone undetected, because like other animals, BF comes foraging human trash cans and vegetable gardens.

[Abramelin]

4 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

because like other animals, BF comes foraging human trash cans and vegetable gardens.

No doubt some security camera would have got a visual if that's true.

These Bigfeet are either hyper-intelligent, or don't exist.

And a cryptid believed to be 7 feet tall would have been caught by big game hunters by now.

No BF skeletons have been found, ever.

[Trelane]

3 hours ago, Abramelin said:

No doubt some security camera would have got a visual if that's true.

These Bigfeet are either hyper-intelligent, or don't exist.

And a cryptid believed to be 7 feet tall would have been caught by big game hunters by now.

No BF skeletons have been found, ever.

....or in the fossil record. Nothing exists of the creature as described, anywhere on Earth.

[Resume]

2 hours ago, Trelane said:

....or in the fossil record. Nothing exists of the creature as described, anywhere on Earth.

Stories exist, and that's it.

[Resume]

10 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

  Of course it hasn't gone undetected, because like other animals, BF comes foraging human trash cans and vegetable gardens.

Yet another unevidenced claim.