+OverSword Posted January 23 #1 Share Posted January 23 Quote Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.) said Wednesday he believes aliens have underwater bases on Earth. “I just think travelin’ light years, I think it happens. I think it’s possible in the vastness of God’s great universe. I mean, light years, you know, the light from those stars that we see at night left there before the time of Christ,” Burchett said on former Rep. Matt Gaetz’s (R-Fla.) One America News show, in a clip highlighted by Mediaite. In April, Burchett implied in the wake of a classified briefing on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), also known as UFOs, that the government is purposefully concealing information on them to the American public. Link 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted January 23 #2 Share Posted January 23 19 minutes ago, OverSword said: Link Trump needs to throw these tinfoilers out with the other loonies. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 23 Author #3 Share Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, Hazzard said: Trump needs to throw these tinfoilers out with the other loonies. When you have a congressman saying his source is a Naval Admiral you may want to pay attention. It may not be aliens (which is my opinion) but there is something. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted January 23 #4 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 26 minutes ago, OverSword said: When you have a congressman saying his source is a Naval Admiral you may want to pay attention. It may not be aliens (which is my opinion) but there is something. A congressman flapping his lips without supporting evidence means very little to me. Alien underwater bases!! 🤣 ... and those hearings with Grusch and the likes are beyond embarrasing. Edited January 23 by Hazzard 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 23 Author #5 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Hazzard said: In this matter, someone flapping his lips without supporting evidence means very little to me. Those hearings with Grusch and the likes is beyond embarrasing. Testimony is not hard evidence but it is evidence. When a fighter pilot, who is certainly an expert in aviation tells you under oath he witnessed a craft defying the laws of physics as we understand them that is evidence. At this point to completely deny anything is being seen you would have to be willfully ignorant. It's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical that making the jump to "it's aliens" is not reasonable, but to deny there is anything? No, that's just stupid. Too many credible witnesses have had sightings to dismiss it as nothing. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted January 23 #6 Share Posted January 23 May not be aliens at all. I remember reading a newspaper piece a decade or so ago about a large object detected floating above the bottom in several thousand feet of water 50 miles off the coast of California. The navy was going to send a ship to investigate. I watched, but there never was a follow up. Maybe an accidental reveal of a DOD project or maybe it was nothing, either way the story died. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted January 23 #7 Share Posted January 23 53 minutes ago, OverSword said: Testimony is not hard evidence but it is evidence. When a fighter pilot, who is certainly an expert in aviation tells you under oath he witnessed a craft defying the laws of physics as we understand them that is evidence. At this point to completely deny anything is being seen you would have to be willfully ignorant. It's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical that making the jump to "it's aliens" is not reasonable, but to deny there is anything? No, that's just stupid. Too many credible witnesses have had sightings to dismiss it as nothing. Only if that pilot has a degree in physics I would counter. If not he is assuming based off his observation. The duration of the alleged sighting becomes one of several follow items that must be accounted for before any weighted validity is applied beyond an allegation/story. If the same pilot says he say a Pegasus flying, does that hold the same weight of accepted belief? You're response to this question holds he key.😉 No one is denying the phenomenon. It is the fantastical claims and allegations of extraterrestrial visitation that are questioned due to staggering lack of corroborative data for each specific alleged sighting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 23 Author #8 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Trelane said: Only if that pilot has a degree in physics I would counter. If not he is assuming based off his observation. Then lets change that to far beyond the capabilities of any known craft or the human bodies ability to operate in. 15 minutes ago, Trelane said: If the same pilot says he say a Pegasus flying, does that hold the same weight of accepted belief? You're response to this question holds he key.😉 Only if it is backed up by other evidence such as video and radar Edited January 23 by OverSword 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted January 23 #9 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, OverSword said: Testimony is not hard evidence but it is evidence. When a fighter pilot, who is certainly an expert in aviation tells you under oath he witnessed a craft defying the laws of physics as we understand them that is evidence. At this point to completely deny anything is being seen you would have to be willfully ignorant. It's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical that making the jump to "it's aliens" is not reasonable, but to deny there is anything? No, that's just stupid. Too many credible witnesses have had sightings to dismiss it as nothing. As we have been over this to many times to count... I simply pulled this fact checking from @Saru where its pinned in another thread. Claim: UFOs have been conclusively shown to exhibit extraordinary capabilities. Analysis: FALSE. There is currently no conclusive or widely accepted evidence that UFOs exhibit extraordinary capabilities beyond what is possible with known human technology or natural phenomena. While some reports suggest extraordinary capabilities, these claims often lack reliable, corroborated data or face alternative explanations. Without robust, verifiable evidence, the claim that UFOs demonstrate extraordinary capabilities remains speculative and unproven. ...and as most of us here already know, radar and videos are not foolproof, they are far from conclusive evidence that we are dealing with some sort of new exotic phenomenon. Edited January 23 by Hazzard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted January 23 #10 Share Posted January 23 In short, Oversword, some here will never acknowledge the existence of aliens until they walk up and bite them on their nates... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 23 Author #11 Share Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, and-then said: In short, Oversword, some here will never acknowledge the existence of aliens until they walk up and bite them on their nates... I think the idea that aliens are the ones responsible is ridiculous too. It's so mathematically improbable that beings from another world are here knowing what we know about time, distance, physics, etc, that it's not worth considering seriously IMO. But to say there are no UFO's (key letter being 'U' for unidentified) with the decades of sightings by dependable witnesses is ridiculous. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted January 23 #12 Share Posted January 23 2 hours ago, OverSword said: Then lets change that to far beyond the capabilities of any known craft or the human bodies ability to operate in. Only if it is backed up by other evidence such as video and radar Why do the parameters of acceptance change? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 23 Author #13 Share Posted January 23 12 minutes ago, Trelane said: Why do the parameters of acceptance change? Because you went completely left field asking what if someone claims to have seen a winged horse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted January 23 #14 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, OverSword said: I think the idea that aliens are the ones responsible is ridiculous too. It's so mathematically improbable that beings from another world are here knowing what we know about time, distance, physics, etc, that it's not worth considering seriously IMO. But to say there are no UFO's (key letter being 'U' for unidentified) with the decades of sightings by dependable witnesses is ridiculous. I have never seen anyone denying that there are UFOs, people see them every day! What is questioned is the origin... and the claim that some of them are controlled by beings from other planets. Edited January 23 by Hazzard 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted January 23 #15 Share Posted January 23 56 minutes ago, OverSword said: Because you went completely left field asking what if someone claims to have seen a winged horse. Yet, that example and the proposed opinion of "otherworldly" craft in the OP both require substantiative corroboration beyond an initial observation. They are not independent in the requirements to provide validity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigonos Posted January 23 #16 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, and-then said: In short, Oversword, some here will never acknowledge the existence of aliens until they walk up and bite them on their nates... Sorry, do you have actual evidence for the existence of aliens? You know, something scientifically verifiable, like an actual corpse or spaceship? Something other than people telling stories and blurry photos/ videos that look like they’re culled from bad 1950s TV shows? Since you’re so adamant that they’re here and you’re so contemptuous of people who ask for evidence you must have something concrete, right? Edited January 23 by Antigonos 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 23 #17 Share Posted January 23 Burchett believes does he? Oh joy. That's made me feel a lot better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted January 23 #18 Share Posted January 23 3 hours ago, OverSword said: I think the idea that aliens are the ones responsible is ridiculous too. It's so mathematically improbable that beings from another world are here knowing what we know about time, distance, physics, etc, that it's not worth considering seriously IMO. But to say there are no UFO's (key letter being 'U' for unidentified) with the decades of sightings by dependable witnesses is ridiculous. Totally agree, and I've also been clear over the years that my religion informs my stance on this topic. That's why I rarely post in these threads. Just FTR, I think the "aliens" are not ETs traveling lightyears to observe or otherwise engage our species. I DO think things are being seen that there is no scientific explanation for, though. Objects/entities moving in non-ballistic ways, at speeds and angles we consider to be physically impossible - as far as our science can explain - could be explained if they are interdimensional. I have believed for quite some time that these things are of a spiritual nature, probably demonic, and that they will someday make open contact when the earth's population is ready to accept them without derision. I think the world is approaching a point where our perception of reality is going to be so untethered due to our creep towards a "hive mind", that most humans will see these entities as the answer to our problems. The AC is said to have that characteristic. He will be seen as the answer to world peace at a time when we look to be on the verge of destroying ourselves. The Bible refers to this as the point when those who have soundly, totally rejected even the idea of God, are poised to fall victim to a "strong delusion". 2nd Thessalonians 9-11 It will be our choice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 23 #19 Share Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, and-then said: It's so mathematically improbable that beings from another world are here knowing what we know about time, distance, physics, etc, that it's not worth considering seriously IMO. you've no idea what's out there.. there could be races out there that look at light speed as we now look at traveling via horse & cart. how you come to this opinion i find baffling seeing you don't know anything- as i know nothing, as everyone one knows nothing with regards to facts=== IN_MY_OPINION 😉 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 23 Author #20 Share Posted January 23 7 minutes ago, and-then said: I think the world is approaching a point where our perception of reality is going to be so untethered due to our creep towards a "hive mind", that most humans will see these entities as the answer to our problems. Many already do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 23 Author #21 Share Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, Dejarma said: you've no idea what's out there.. there could be races out there that look at light speed as we now look at traveling via horse & cart. how you come to this opinion i find baffling seeing you don't know anything- as i know nothing, as everyone one knows nothing with regards to facts=== IN_MY_OPINION 😉 Actually that was me that said that and "and then' quoted me. The reason I say that is to have a realistic discussion I feel like we have to keep it within the bounds of our understanding of physics. We currently have no basis to believe that the speed of light can be exceeded. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted January 23 #22 Share Posted January 23 11 minutes ago, Dejarma said: you've no idea what's out there.. there could be races out there that look at light speed as we now look at traveling via horse & cart. how you come to this opinion i find baffling seeing you don't know anything- as i know nothing, as everyone one knows nothing with regards to facts=== IN_MY_OPINION 😉 This is true - that's why I said that when the time comes, we will all have a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 23 #23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 14 minutes ago, OverSword said: We currently have no basis to believe that the speed of light can be exceeded. yeah true, we do not.. but that doesn't get away from the FACT you/ me & everyone else do not really know what's out there, does it!? that is a fact my friend isn't it!? with all due respect👍 Edited January 23 by Dejarma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 23 #24 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, and-then said: This is true - that's why I said that when the time comes, we will all have a choice. yeah i know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 24 Author #25 Share Posted January 24 13 minutes ago, Dejarma said: yeah true, we do not.. but that doesn't get away from the FACT you/ me & everyone else do not really know what's out there, does it!? that is a fact my friend isn't it!? with all due respect👍 Out there, sure. But here? Mathematically improbable imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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