Gromdor Posted January 24 #1 Share Posted January 24 So I read this and wonder pondering some of the implications: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-signs-executive-order-on-developing-artificial-intelligence-free-from-ideological-bias/ar-AA1xKosy?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=7da902d69dbb4d2ea102808520e1e401&ei=23 The new order doesn't name which existing policies are hindering AI development but sets out to track down and review “all policies, directives, regulations, orders, and other actions taken” as a result of former President Joe Biden's sweeping AI executive order of 2023, which Trump rescinded Monday. Any of those Biden-era actions must be suspended if they don't fit Trump's new directive that AI should “promote human flourishing, economic competitiveness, and national security.” Which brings up the use of facial recognition technology for policing in AI and also the use of AI in weapons (Skynet, anyone?). There are other concievable issues- AI trading stock faster and more informed than us human investors for instance. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted January 24 #2 Share Posted January 24 "To maintain global leadership in AI technology, "we must develop AI systems that are free from ideological bias or engineered social agendas,” Seems pretty clear to me. AI can be skewed with what is used to train it. The goal isn't to hinder its benefits but to make if a-political. Let's face it, AI is too big a "prize" for humans to pass up. It will become a kind of juggernaut whether we want it to or not. I see no problem with risk reduction where possible. Let's just hope that other nations, especially a peer competitor like China, shows at least a modicum of restraint as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted January 24 #3 Share Posted January 24 "Free of ideological bias"? Are we going to remove Asimov's 3 laws or robotics? Is it ideological bias to prevent AI from killing, torturing, or otherwise harming humans if they get in the way of AI or their owners? I suspect its Biblical ideology bias like the concept of mercy that MAGA wants to be purged from AI limitations. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted January 24 Author #4 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, and-then said: "To maintain global leadership in AI technology, "we must develop AI systems that are free from ideological bias or engineered social agendas,” Seems pretty clear to me. AI can be skewed with what is used to train it. The goal isn't to hinder its benefits but to make if a-political. Let's face it, AI is too big a "prize" for humans to pass up. It will become a kind of juggernaut whether we want it to or not. I see no problem with risk reduction where possible. Let's just hope that other nations, especially a peer competitor like China, shows at least a modicum of restraint as well. China already has a "Big brother" style video surveillance system in place. Couple that with an AI with facial recognition checking every face, all the time and you can see where that will lead. I'm sure we will bring that technology here and implement it under the guise of "catching illegals" or what not to start, but the end will be the same. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted January 24 #5 Share Posted January 24 8 minutes ago, Tatetopa said: Biblical ideology "Sorry your wife was killed by friendly fire. Your going to have to **** your daughters now." God to Lot "Hey Satan! Kill Job's kids to test his faith". God feeling antsy 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edumakated Posted January 24 #6 Share Posted January 24 29 minutes ago, Tatetopa said: "Free of ideological bias"? Are we going to remove Asimov's 3 laws or robotics? Is it ideological bias to prevent AI from killing, torturing, or otherwise harming humans if they get in the way of AI or their owners? I suspect its Biblical ideology bias like the concept of mercy that MAGA wants to be purged from AI limitations. Free of ideological bias... basically ensuring the developers aren't pushing an ideology in their programming. It is like how at Google search et al, fact checks, etc often push agendas and hide opposing views. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted January 24 #7 Share Posted January 24 17 minutes ago, Piney said: "Sorry your wife was killed by friendly fire. Your going to have to **** your daughters now." God to Lot "Hey Satan! Kill Job's kids to test his faith". God feeling antsy Got me. New Testament any better? Still, removing all ideological bias would open the AI door to murder, deception, and theft. Would they be like a real boy then? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted January 24 #8 Share Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, Edumakated said: Free of ideological bias... basically ensuring the developers aren't pushing an ideology in their programming. It is like how at Google search et al, fact checks, etc often push agendas and hide opposing views. Is any law against a crime not an ideological bias? I get it though, what you mean is that if AI read the New Testament or any human philosopher, and adopted compassion for humans or honesty in response to questions as some of its core principles, that would be a woke leftist ideological bias 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted January 24 #9 Share Posted January 24 25 minutes ago, Tatetopa said: Is any law against a crime not an ideological bias? I get it though, what you mean is that if AI read the New Testament or any human philosopher, and adopted compassion for humans or honesty in response to questions as some of its core principles, that would be a woke leftist ideological bias Fact checking is bias. 😋 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted January 24 Author #10 Share Posted January 24 Slightly related, I saw this today: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/willing-to-pay-175-000-for-a-life-size-robot-friend-that-remembers-everything-about-you/vi-AA1xOLwr?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=6cae06c06f114c248224119c5e0871d6&ei=31 $175,000.00 is a bit pricy for now. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted January 24 #11 Share Posted January 24 3 hours ago, Gromdor said: So I read this and wonder pondering some of the implications: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-signs-executive-order-on-developing-artificial-intelligence-free-from-ideological-bias/ar-AA1xKosy?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=7da902d69dbb4d2ea102808520e1e401&ei=23 The new order doesn't name which existing policies are hindering AI development but sets out to track down and review “all policies, directives, regulations, orders, and other actions taken” as a result of former President Joe Biden's sweeping AI executive order of 2023, which Trump rescinded Monday. Any of those Biden-era actions must be suspended if they don't fit Trump's new directive that AI should “promote human flourishing, economic competitiveness, and national security.” Which brings up the use of facial recognition technology for policing in AI and also the use of AI in weapons (Skynet, anyone?). There are other concievable issues- AI trading stock faster and more informed than us human investors for instance. Ai will promote algorithms that will beat human competitiveness not promote competition. Ai stock market will make experts outta anyone, economic competitiveness will be a case of who’s got the most advanced Ai and largest economy, military decisions will be automated negating the human element and human flourishing (whatever that is) is basically saying people will have the chance to go off grid to earn and live their lives least they also have their decisions and lives automated also. It’s unavoidable and dystopian. Here comes the hunger games 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 24 #12 Share Posted January 24 3 hours ago, Tatetopa said: "Free of ideological bias"? Are we going to remove Asimov's 3 laws or robotics? Is it ideological bias to prevent AI from killing, torturing, or otherwise harming humans if they get in the way of AI or their owners? I suspect its Biblical ideology bias like the concept of mercy that MAGA wants to be purged from AI limitations. Asimov? Who is Asimov? https://www.twz.com/air/f-35-ai-enabled-drone-controller-capability-successfully-demonstrated 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edumakated Posted January 24 #13 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, Piney said: Fact checking is bias. 😋 It is bias when the "fact checkers" are wrong... do we really need to start listing examples of when the so-called fact checkers clearly didn't have the facts? The other thing is that often times things can be factually correct but lacking nuance and context. The point is that we have to be very careful going forward to eliminate as much bias as possible. This isn't a left right issue imho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted January 25 #14 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, Golden Duck said: Asimov? Who is Asimov? https://www.twz.com/air/f-35-ai-enabled-drone-controller-capability-successfully-demonstrated Isaac Asimov was a prolific American writer and biochemist who wrote or edited more than 500 books. He was a central figure in science fiction's Golden Age, writing iconic works such as I, Robot (1950), the Foundation series, and The Gods Themselves (1972). Asimov was also a prolific author of science education essays and books, and wrote on history, literature, and the Bible. His most famous works were the Foundation trilogy and I, Robot, in which he introduced his famous “Three Laws of Robotics.” On their face, the laws are meant to be rules for controlling technology. Asimov, however, used them to explore the unintended consequences of technology, and how humanity could overcome them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 25 #15 Share Posted January 25 54 minutes ago, Tatetopa said: Isaac Asimov was a prolific American writer and biochemist who wrote or edited more than 500 books. He was a central figure in science fiction's Golden Age, writing iconic works such as I, Robot (1950), the Foundation series, and The Gods Themselves (1972). Asimov was also a prolific author of science education essays and books, and wrote on history, literature, and the Bible. His most famous works were the Foundation trilogy and I, Robot, in which he introduced his famous “Three Laws of Robotics.” On their face, the laws are meant to be rules for controlling technology. Asimov, however, used them to explore the unintended consequences of technology, and how humanity could overcome them. Perhaps I should have included an emoji. Asimov's philosophy will, I think, come to be considered quaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted January 25 #16 Share Posted January 25 I'm not especially moved by this presidential order, although I prefer to err on the side of freedom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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