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Trump to ask Jordan and Egypt to take in many Palestinians while Gaza is rebuilt.


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https://www.axios.com/2025/01/26/trump-gaza-palestinians-egypt-jordan

It should be fun to watch him looking for a way to compel Hussein and al Sisi to take in Palestinians, even for a brief period while rebuilding is happening. People should pay attention to this.  ALL ARAB nations treat Palestinians as a scourge and a source of instability.  BLACK SEPTEMBER, anyone?

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They'll never do that. Both Egypt, and Jordon, hate Palestinians. Consider them to be poor at almost everything.

Plus Jordon evicted all Palestinians decades ago, for trying to take over. PLO I think it was. So they went to Lebanon. 

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10 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

They'll never do that. Both Egypt, and Jordon, hate Palestinians. Consider them to be poor at almost everything.

Plus Jordon evicted all Palestinians decades ago, for trying to take over. PLO I think it was. So they went to Lebanon. 

I think you're probably correct but Trump seems to be on a winning streak.  It wouldn't shock me too much if he got them to agree to some limited number moving in, at least until new housing could be built.  I think Israel needs to take this moment to very clearly tell the whole world that it will NEVER leave that land and if the Palestinians try attacking them again, they will finish reducing Gaza to rubble and do the same to as much of Judea and Samaria as is required to get quiet and stop the killing of Israelis.  It's not like they are going to lose any popularity.  As for Arab nations hating the Palestinians, they have every reason to do so.  Every single place these tribes go, falls into chaos and bloodshed.  It's like they carry some kind of generational curse that falls on anyone who tries to help them.

 

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Maybe put them up in Greenland for a while. Here there's a lot of open land there.

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21 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Maybe put them up in Greenland for a while. Here there's a lot of open land there.

Yeah!  And then next time Hamas attacks somewhere, we can send troops in and annex it. Then we ship them out to Panama while we are "Rebuilding Greenland for them" and repeat the process.

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They need to "clean out" 1.5 million people.

Right brilliant choice of words.

The insinuation in #3 that these people carry a sort of generational curse which justifies which behavior is the cherry on top. 

Truly, the inability to know or comprehend history is the cause of a lot of problems in the modern world.

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11 hours ago, and-then said:

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/26/trump-gaza-palestinians-egypt-jordan

It should be fun to watch him looking for a way to compel Hussein and al Sisi to take in Palestinians, even for a brief period while rebuilding is happening. People should pay attention to this.  ALL ARAB nations treat Palestinians as a scourge and a source of instability.  BLACK SEPTEMBER, anyone?

As they say in the Godfather,   "Just business Vito."   Palestinians in Gaza are a problem for Israel.  It costs them money, time, and attention. Palestinians in Jordan and Egypt are problems for Jordan and Egypt. Jordan and Egypt are not as strong and stable as we might hope. Half a million or more starving homeless people in those countries might be a tipping point.

Problems in Egypt and Jordan, especially their radicalization  become Israel's problem and ours too.

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1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

Half a million or more starving homeless people in those countries might be a tipping point.

Yeah, especially when they sow dissention and chaos literally everywhere they go.  They are welcome to live amongst the ruins but Israel isn't required to answer to the world for their misery whilst they've chosen to live among those ruins.  BTW, it's inaccurate to keep talking of them "starving".  The whole starvation/famine narrative has been a lie since day one.  Most of the older folks we see images of are overweight and the kids/youth appear normal weight.  They've been struggling to find food due to the actions of Hamas - higher prices in the markets - but the food is available.  This war is 15 months and rolling.  These folks aren't gainfully employed for the most part.  Where are they finding money to purchase anything if they are that poor?  

I'd compel Egypt to allow a massive tent camp with water and sewer infrastructure to be built in Sinai, right up against the Gaza border so these folks could move out of the combat zone and watch or be employed to help with the clearing and building.  If rockets begin flying from there then everything would STOP and the area around where the rockets were launched would be evicted back to live inside Gaza itself.  

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44 minutes ago, and-then said:

I'd compel Egypt to allow a massive tent camp with water and sewer infrastructure to be built in Sinai,

Emotion. By what means?  Tariffs or do you want to invade Egypt too?   Being a bully to little guys who have been our friends does not solve the problems of Russia or China.  In fact, when we threaten and push our friends away  and China says they support nations and their territorial integrity and they want to invest in their prosperity, they make more friends. Mexico, Central Americans and Europe are all making  deals with China. How long before Canada finds a Chinese market for their oil and timber?  How long before our attitude gains BRICs another 50 members?

Very tempting to just say **** em all. Next hurricane season after FEMA and SNAP programs have been abolished, some of your neighbors may be homerless and hungry too, and it won't be a foreign nation that does it but our own government. 

If we are really going to be America First, we should take care of Americans.

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1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

If we are really going to be America First, we should take care of Americans.

What on earth does this have to do with the topic?  We give the Egyptians around 1.5+ billion a year.  If losing that doesn't change their minds then it really should demonstrate precisely how evil and destructive these clans in Gaza have become.  Sinai is a massive place and if the US will build and manage such a facility, all Sisi has to do is provide security so they can't leave it until Gaza is rebuilt.  The bottom line is that these people hate Jews for religious reasons and will never try to sincerely co-exist with them.  Since Israelis will NEVER LEAVE THE LAND, what other options would you suggest?  As I said, if the Gazans refuse to leave, even temporarily, let them languish with their choice.  They brought this on themselves.  No one was killing them and destroying their territory prior to 10/7.

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4 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Problems in Egypt and Jordan, especially their radicalization  become Israel's problem and ours too.

We aren't going to stop the radicalization by giving them aid or by demanding Israel give them even more land that they can then fortify like Gaza.  That part of the world demands strength and Israel understands this.  These people do not WANT peace, stability, and prosperity as much as they want to kill Jews.  There is over 75 years of historical proof to back that claim.  Until they change their minds, let them suffer.  It's very much like having to allow addicts to hit bottom before they're ready to change course.  Israel is going nowhere and Hamas actually did them a kind of service by reminding Israelis and the rest of the world of that fact.

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24 minutes ago, and-then said:

What on earth does this have to do with the topic?  We give the Egyptians around 1.5+ billion a year.  If losing that doesn't change their minds then it really should demonstrate precisely how evil and destructive these clans in Gaza have become.  Sinai is a massive place and if the US will build and manage such a facility, all Sisi has to do is provide security so they can't leave it until Gaza is rebuilt.  The bottom line is that these people hate Jews for religious reasons and will never try to sincerely co-exist with them.  Since Israelis will NEVER LEAVE THE LAND, what other options would you suggest?  As I said, if the Gazans refuse to leave, even temporarily, let them languish with their choice.  They brought this on themselves.  No one was killing them and destroying their territory prior to 10/7.

President Trump is on such a winning streak around the world solving problems I wish he would look at America's medical care, housing and grocery prices, that is all.  America First does not mean Gaza First or Egypt First or even Israel First..

A billion and a half dollars wouldn't cover Egypt's costs of building and maintaining that camp. How much do you think the rebuilding of Gaza would cost and who will pay for it?  And why?  Building a refugee camp in Egypt or rebuilding it in Gaza does not solve anything. And as you say the problems of a hundred generations of hate will not be solved by us. 

Israelis have no where else to go, they cannot leave, so they have a big interest in solving this problem. . Maybe they are in a better position and more knowledgeable, and maybe they should take the lead in solving it. 

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36 minutes ago, and-then said:

We aren't going to stop the radicalization by giving them aid or by demanding Israel give them even more land that they can then fortify like Gaza.  That part of the world demands strength and Israel understands this.  These people do not WANT peace, stability, and prosperity as much as they want to kill Jews.  There is over 75 years of historical proof to back that claim.  Until they change their minds, let them suffer.  It's very much like having to allow addicts to hit bottom before they're ready to change course.  Israel is going nowhere and Hamas actually did them a kind of service by reminding Israelis and the rest of the world of that fact.

So who said we should give them any of that?  Let it unfold without us.  Let Israel and the Palestinians work out their own salvation.  As you have pointed out, we are not smart enough to do it.

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18 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

A billion and a half dollars wouldn't cover Egypt's costs of building and maintaining that camp

I didn't say they should be on the hook for that.  Their part would be deploying their military to stop Palestinians from sneaking into Egypt.  They already do that.

 

14 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Let Israel and the Palestinians work out their own salvation.  As you have pointed out, we are not smart enough to do it.

I don't recall saying we weren't "smart enough".  Okay, let's look at your plan.  We step back and Israel keeps pounding Gaza for as long as Palestinians refuse to coexist.  How long before the world finally decides to form a coalition to intervene?  Not our problem?  Can you think of ANY other nation that would be more inclined to use nukes when truly faced with an existential threat?  I can't.  I'd say allowing such a scenario to unfold would be everyone's problem, so why not step in to stop it happening?  

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2 hours ago, and-then said:

Okay, let's look at your plan.  We step back and Israel keeps pounding Gaza for as long as Palestinians refuse to coexist.  How long before the world finally decides to form a coalition to intervene? 

Greetings, @and-then Isn't that what we have been doing?  Israel is completely capable of pounding Gaza themselves if that is what it takes.  All we have to do is give them enough bunker busters. Just the fear of Trump's unpredictability got a cease fire deal done that Biden had been working on for a year. 

How long before the world forms a coalition to intervene?  What?  You think the parts of the world that care would form a coalition to oppose Israel and the US militarily?  They have already shot their wad by calling Bibi a war criminal. They will send medical aid to Gaza and Israeli diplomats home. That is it.

Europe has their own serious problems, although Elon may be able to convince the Germans it is OK to hate Jews openly again. . China?  Russia? They have their own issues too.  None of them are in financial  shape as good as the US. None of them care about Israel and the Palestinians unless they can use it to goad the US into something stupid for us.

Israel doesn't  need nukes to deal with Gaza, and they don't want to live next to a radioactive zone. What are we going to do to "step in" that Israel is not already doing? 

 Iran, could escalate if they are stupid. They  are not a world power except in terrorism, and they are not going to attract even an Arab coalition.  Already we have US military providing aid to keep the iron dome viable by shooting down Houthi and Iranian missiles. Do we need to step in and do more?  Israel may or may not choose to use nukes on Iran, and Iran knows that. Just the threat of that might be enough cause them to get rid of their current regime. 

Maybe we have already done what we needed to do, sad for those who are still looking to kick some ass.

 

 

 

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Psalm 137

Remember, O Lord, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Raze it, raze it, even to the foundation thereof.

O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

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21 hours ago, DieChecker said:

They'll never do that. Both Egypt, and Jordon, hate Palestinians. Consider them to be poor at almost everything.

Plus Jordon evicted all Palestinians decades ago, for trying to take over. PLO I think it was. So they went to Lebanon. 

Once they leave they’re never coming back. I don’t think Jordan and Egypt want to reward Israel

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22 hours ago, and-then said:

What on earth does this have to do with the topic?  We give the Egyptians around 1.5+ billion a year.  If losing that doesn't change their minds then it really should demonstrate precisely how evil and destructive these clans in Gaza have become.  Sinai is a massive place and if the US will build and manage such a facility, all Sisi has to do is provide security so they can't leave it until Gaza is rebuilt.  The bottom line is that these people hate Jews for religious reasons and will never try to sincerely co-exist with them.  Since Israelis will NEVER LEAVE THE LAND, what other options would you suggest?  As I said, if the Gazans refuse to leave, even temporarily, let them languish with their choice.  They brought this on themselves.  No one was killing them and destroying their territory prior to 10/7.

Did you not stop to think that seeing as God didn’t give the land back (there is clear precedents in what you and I call “the Old Testament” as to how God restores ownership of the land to His People. And that didn’t happen in 1948) the Problem with the Palestinians is Him seeding turmoil in the land to remind the Jews that time is not right for their return, time is right when God says so, not them. 

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On 1/26/2025 at 9:16 PM, Tatetopa said:

Isn't that what we have been doing?

 Biden - or whoever was calling the shots - did their best to restrain Netanyahu and that included all sorts of threats to refuse to resupply ammo that only we could provide, in some cases.  Even worse, he was threatened with allowing the UN to sanction Israel.  So, no, that isn't what we were already doing.

On 1/26/2025 at 9:16 PM, Tatetopa said:

How long before the world forms a coalition to intervene? 

It's coming, man.  This war has set the stage for a coalition of the "willing" that will surround Israel in the future. At the same time this war has been unfolding and we've seen chaos around the world with inflamed Jew hatred, a base of support is being quietly established and when it comes time to "hold Israel accountable", the US is likely going to be under the control of the party that just left office.  In short, Israel will be on their own.  As soon as that occurs, her enemies will surround her and all hell breaks loose.  

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On 1/27/2025 at 3:13 PM, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Did you not stop to think that seeing as God didn’t give the land back (there is clear precedents in what you and I call “the Old Testament” as to how God restores ownership of the land to His People. And that didn’t happen in 1948) the Problem with the Palestinians is Him seeding turmoil in the land to remind the Jews that time is not right for their return, time is right when God says so, not them. 

 His word predicts that they will return from all over the world and that they will prosper in the land but also have enemies that cause them great harm.  While I realize the term "Greater Israel" has become a pejorative used by Jew haters, it actually IS scriptural and THAT situation is where your point comes into focus.  The descendants of Jacob/Israel will possess vastly more land than they inhabit now.  That will not happen until Christ returns.

I accept that everything we observe in that region cannot happen without His acquiescence.  The bottom line is that He is in control and when Christ returns, those who are expecting a meek baby in a manger or a humble man of peace and "coexistence", are going to be stunned.  He is going to end the enemies of His people.  That's just how it is.  And before this gets derailed into an argument about His Chosen, I want to be clear.  He makes it very clear that what He is doing at that time is for HIS namesake.

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27 minutes ago, and-then said:

 His word predicts that they will return from all over the world and that they will prosper in the land but also have enemies that cause them great harm.  While I realize the term "Greater Israel" has become a pejorative used by Jew haters, it actually IS scriptural and THAT situation is where your point comes into focus.  The descendants of Jacob/Israel will possess vastly more land than they inhabit now.  That will not happen until Christ returns.

I accept that everything we observe in that region cannot happen without His acquiescence.  The bottom line is that He is in control and when Christ returns, those who are expecting a meek baby in a manger or a humble man of peace and "coexistence", are going to be stunned.  He is going to end the enemies of His people.  That's just how it is.  And before this gets derailed into an argument about His Chosen, I want to be clear.  He makes it very clear that what He is doing at that time is for HIS namesake.

Yes. 
his will. 
not the will of the UN. last time they were booted from that land and restored by God’s will God enabled them to send their enemies fleeing. 
I don’t see them fleeing. I do not see a nation defended by divine will. 

And even then I do not believe that they ARE God’s people anymore. God’s people are those who follow Christ. God’s people were the Jews, they were the fertile soil from which sprung the new tree - Jesus., after Jesus came and became a fisher of men from all nations, any who deny Christ are by Biblical doctrine no longer God’s people. 

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1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

And even then I do not believe that they ARE God’s people anymore

Then we'll just have to disagree.  Failed person that I am, I still believe His words and it's very clear that He made an everlasting Covenant with them.  He can't lie.  so He will work His will through them in the last days.  Frankly, it's going to be awful but in the end they were promised to prevail over their enemies and never be moved from the land again.   As for them not being enabled by God to send their enemies fleeing... where have you been for this past 15 months?  FTM, how do you account for their survival and territorial gain over the last 77 years?  Nah, I'm comfortable in my belief on this.  

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3 minutes ago, and-then said:

Then we'll just have to disagree.  Failed person that I am, I still believe His words and it's very clear that He made an everlasting Covenant with them.  He can't lie.  so He will work His will through them in the last days.  Frankly, it's going to be awful but in the end they were promised to prevail over their enemies and never be moved from the land again.   As for them not being enabled by God to send their enemies fleeing... where have you been for this past 15 months?  FTM, how do you account for their survival and territorial gain over the last 77 years?  Nah, I'm comfortable in my belief on this.  

I see no enemies fleeing, I see them still there. 
as for their survivals - yeah they’ve got a powerful ally … America. 

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On 1/26/2025 at 11:02 PM, Unusual Tournament said:

Once they leave they’re never coming back. I don’t think Jordan and Egypt want to reward Israel

That's ostensibly why they refuse them but the reality is that these people have been a SCOURGE on every nation they've ever inhabited.  That isn't me hating, that's just their record.  If I were Trump, I'd tell Egypt to allow a sizeable piece of the Sinai to be developed into a refugee camp and that they WOULD be moving there if they want to survive.  Once they've been given the resources and the time to make their move, any of them still in Gaza will be considered to be Hamas.

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