Jan. 6 prosecutor: Rioters freed by Trump ‘have never been more dangerous’

February 1

45 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

So because she committed act A she shouldn't be pardoned for act B, even though A and B are unrelated?

A pattern of multiple anti-social acts makes me question the wisdom of pardoning her for one of them, yes.

Edited February 1 by Doc Socks Junior

February 1

4 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jan-6-rioter-pardoned-trump-220821744.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADkyBTskjGaLz0WJUQaL9Eji5r3PX8cAF88ufqB6d3eJmmox7FpDWZ6HeK9ygTi0vMSM8

Jan. 6 Rioter Pardoned By Trump Sentenced For DUI Crash That Killed Mom Of 2

MAGA where are your tears for Victoria Wilson? Do you weep for her motherless children?

That case reminds me of this case @Gromdor post in another thread, where this nasty Jan. 6 rioter had a prior record soliciting a 17-year-old.

And me and @joseraul found these two.

I don't know whether to call it crazy or interesting with all the karma that is happening here. :lol:

February 1

31 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

A pattern of multiple anti-social acts makes me question the wisdom of pardoning her for one of them, yes.

Let's just say our mileage differs on this. Don't get me wrong, I don't think any president should have the power to pardon. But the power exists, and considering Trump promised to do this as part of his election campaign, I've got no problem with it, regardless of what else this person has done (she's still doing a maximum sentence for this DUI).

Either way, what happened here is a tragedy. But not one that is comparable to the outrage when illegal migrants commit crime and then are released back into the community and murder someone, those kinds of tragedies are worse because if the government worked as it should this could have been prevented.

I'm not sure where you sit on this matter, but that's my view on it.

Edited February 1 by Link of Hyrule

February 1

39 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Let's just say our mileage differs on this. Don't get me wrong, I don't think any president should have the power to pardon. But the power exists, and considering Trump promised to do this as part of his election campaign, I've got no problem with it, regardless of what else this person has done (she's still doing a maximum sentence for this DUI).

Neat. By the way, you can shorten nearly all your rather more elaborate justification posts to "Trump did it, therefore I have no problem with it".

It would be more accurate, and save everyone a little time.

39 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Either way, what happened here is a tragedy.

Great, glad we can agree on something.

February 1

14 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

Neat. By the way, you can shorten nearly all your rather more elaborate justification posts to "Trump did it, therefore I have no problem with it".

It would be more accurate, and save everyone a little time.

More correct to say "Trump campaigned on it" rather than "Trump did it", but I appreciate your attempt at trying to turn it into that.

14 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

Great, glad we can agree on something.

Yay. Unfortunately not all tragedies are equal, some are more tragic than others, but it's nice to know we can agree from time to time.

Edited February 1 by Link of Hyrule

February 1

6 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

More correct to say "Trump campaigned on it" rather than "Trump did it", but I appreciate your attempt at trying to turn it into that.

Actually, no. Not more correct.

6 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Yay. Unfortunately not all tragedies are equal, some are more tragic than others, but it's nice to know we can agree from time to time.

Orange Man good, Sleepy Man bad.

I get it.

February 1

9 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

Actually, no. Not more correct.

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9 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

Orange Man good, Sleepy Man bad.

I get it.

Not what I said, at all. Not sure how illegal migrants killing Americans is a Joe Biden issue. The democrats can certainly share some blame for promoting policies that allow this to happen, but that's a progressive thing, not a Sleepy Joe thing.

February 1

13 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Much like when Trump originally said this, you're not being accurate. I appreciate your devotion to him being deep enough to ape his constant dishonesty.

As is, when Trump takes an action, you support it. Your support in this case is simply because he's previously promised to do it. I find that as a chain of reasoning to justify actions to be non-extensible and weak.

But, it's in keeping with your position as his devoted sycophant, so your consistency gets full marks.

13 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Not what I said, at all.

You seem to have missed the "Animal Farm" reference, wherein I adapted the phrase "4 Legs Good, 2 Legs Bad" in homage to your phrase. But literary allusion is probably difficult to catch under specific detection conditions.

Regardless, I entered this thread to clarify a timeline for a different poster, and didn't intend on having to respond to your inanity. I'm pleased, in the manner of being pleased to see the sun rise, that you find Trump's actions to be justified in this case. I would, in fact, be surprised to find it otherwise.

February 1

41 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

Much like when Trump originally said this, you're not being accurate. I appreciate your devotion to him being deep enough to ape his constant dishonesty.

As is, when Trump takes an action, you support it. Your support in this case is simply because he's previously promised to do it. I find that as a chain of reasoning to justify actions to be non-extensible and weak.

But, it's in keeping with your position as his devoted sycophant, so your consistency gets full marks.

I guess we must agree to disagree.

41 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

You seem to have missed the "Animal Farm" reference, wherein I adapted the phrase "4 Legs Good, 2 Legs Bad" in homage to your phrase. But literary allusion is probably difficult to catch under specific detection conditions.

Regardless, I entered this thread to clarify a timeline for a different poster, and didn't intend on having to respond to your inanity. I'm pleased, in the manner of being pleased to see the sun rise, that you find Trump's actions to be justified in this case. I would, in fact, be surprised to find it otherwise.

Fair, I do appreciate your views even if I disagree with them.

I haven't read Animal Farm ("some animals are more equal than others" is about the extent of my knowledge). I've got an extensive TBR list. I've just started a novel with over 1300 pages, and I've got at least 10 more books set in stone as next reads after that. But Animal Farm is on my list due to its literary significance, even if it's low on my priority. I'll get to it.... one day :devil:

Edited February 1 by Link of Hyrule

February 1

7 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jan-6-rioter-pardoned-trump-220821744.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADkyBTskjGaLz0WJUQaL9Eji5r3PX8cAF88ufqB6d3eJmmox7FpDWZ6HeK9ygTi0vMSM8

Jan. 6 Rioter Pardoned By Trump Sentenced For DUI Crash That Killed Mom Of 2

MAGA where are your tears for Victoria Wilson? Do you weep for her motherless children?

Are you weaping for those killed by immigrants waiting on Asylum they're never going to receive.

People get killed all the time. Sometimes by people who should be in prison, but are not. Politics is a rancid stew, and often we have to eat some of it.

I don't see how a DUI charge relates to Trumps pardon. She was already charged, convicted and served her time. She apparently was not a very well regarded person, and now will do 10 years for her DUI manslaughter.

February 1

2 hours ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Let's just say our mileage differs on this. Don't get me wrong, I don't think any president should have the power to pardon. But the power exists, and considering Trump promised to do this as part of his election campaign, I've got no problem with it, regardless of what else this person has done (she's still doing a maximum sentence for this DUI).

Either way, what happened here is a tragedy. But not one that is comparable to the outrage when illegal migrants commit crime and then are released back into the community and murder someone, those kinds of tragedies are worse because if the government worked as it should this could have been prevented.

I'm not sure where you sit on this matter, but that's my view on it.

Looks like where he is sitting is to ignore the comparison.

IMHO, pardons should have a much higher level of regulation so it can't be just thousands pardoned for an entirely partisan political stunt.

February 1

3 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Are you weaping for those killed by immigrants waiting on Asylum they're never going to receive.

People get killed all the time. Sometimes by people who should be in prison, but are not. Politics is a rancid stew, and often we have to eat some of it.

I don't see how a DUI charge relates to Trumps pardon. She was already charged, convicted and served her time. She apparently was not a very well regarded person, and now will do 10 years for her DUI manslaughter.

I feel sorry for everybody who dies and is not ready. No limits, My empathy does not stop at any border. It just seems to be a pretty common trope used by MAGA. If you feel sorry for one person or group, you are accused to be antithetical to another group.

February 1

6 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Not comparable? Somebody released just killed an innocent woman. There are still two children without a mother and a critically injured father. Maybe they are not comparable but that has never stopped MAGA from using that line.

Thanks @Link of Hyrule, I knew somebody would explain it to me. Don't forget thoughts and prayers.

So, whataboutism at its best?

You guys point this out, so I am too. ??

Fair enough, I suppose.

Roughly 8000 are killed every year by drunk drivers. What needs to be done? Looks like it wasn't stopped by Joe being in office.

So likely thousands of children without a parent. Tell us what to do. Will removing Trump's pardons bring any of them back?

We know how to prevent illegals being here. So how do we prevent DUIs?

The lady was already charged, convicted, and served her sentence. How did the pardon cause the DUI related deaths?

Edited February 1 by DieChecker

February 1

8 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

I feel sorry for everybody who dies and is not ready. No limits, My empathy does not stop at any border. It just seems to be a pretty common trope used by MAGA. If you feel sorry for one person or group, you are accused to be antithetical to another group.

That's not also used by the Left?

February 1

9 hours ago, Michelle said:

CNN has Trump's approval rating at 57%. The highest ever at this point in a presidency.

When I looked it said 52%.

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A majority of voters — 52% — approve of the job he’s doing, matching a record high from his first term in March 2017, according to a new Morning Consult poll.

I did think this interesting.

https://www.nj.com/politics/2025/01/new-poll-heres-where-trumps-latest-approval-ratings-stand.html

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The poll also found that more than half of respondents believe the United States is headed in the right direction. Fifty-two percent said it was going in the right direction and 48 percent said it was the wrong direction.

Edited February 1 by DieChecker

February 1

7 hours ago, Link of Hyrule said:

I guess we must agree to disagree.

As usual, I reject that as a good course of action unless your grasp on reality is beyond repair.

Someone , anyone, actually, stating that they will do a thing is not a sufficient or logical reason to support them doing it especially if said support is unconditional on any other factors (your contention in post #54).

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considering Trump promised to do this as part of his election campaign, I've got no problem with it, regardless of what else this person has done

Said belief is entirely consistent with describing your position (empirically) as "If Trump did it, I have no problem with it".

You have no other argument here (again as usual) besides repeatedly negating the simple reality of your own statements.

You're allowed to think for yourself outside of aping Trump. I suggest it.

7 hours ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Fair, I do appreciate your views even if I disagree with them.

I haven't read Animal Farm ("some animals are more equal than others" is about the extent of my knowledge). I've got an extensive TBR list. I've just started a novel with over 1300 pages, and I've got at least 10 more books set in stone as next reads after that. But Animal Farm is on my list due to its literary significance, even if it's low on my priority. I'll get to it.... one day

Sounds like you've got a lot of reading lined up. Enjoy!

February 1

11 hours ago, DieChecker said:

That's not also used by the Left?

Maybe I am not the best person to ask. Is it?

11 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Fair enough, I suppose.

Roughly 8000 are killed every year by drunk drivers. What needs to be done? Looks like it wasn't stopped by Joe being in office.

So likely thousands of children without a parent. Tell us what to do. Will removing Trump's pardons bring any of them back?

We know how to prevent illegals being here. So how do we prevent DUIs?

The lady was already charged, convicted, and served her sentence. How did the pardon cause the DUI related deaths?

Maybe fair, but not our best or my best. I am a poor communicator I admit.

JMO, the tragedy is people dying due to drunk drivers, not really race, color or J6 pardon status of the drunk driver. Better for us to focus energy on preventing drunk driving.

To me it seems that the tragedy is that young women are not safe in our society, not the color or nationality of the murderer. Do you know they did a survey of young women recently where they were asked whether they would rather meet a bear or a man if they are walking alone in the woods. The majority of respondents said a bear.

Sure thing, I am way too woke, but that one cuts to the quick. My traditional concept of manhood is repulsed by that, and I can't shake it. I was indoctrinated by the old culture to believe that to be an honorable man was to be a protector of the weak and not a predator.

Yes I am in favor of strong borders and not allowing criminals to roam among us. We punish one murderer, which is infinitely better than none. But that is not enough to fix the root problem. We never look at ourselves to see how many of us in our own society have become predators instead of protectors.

It seems a form of scapegoating. We heap all of our sins on the immigrant criminal and go away feeling righteous, without ever acknowledging the other 99 victims destroyed by our fellow citizens. That won't make America Great Again, or women safe again..

February 1

21 hours ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Did Trump's pardon play a role in this DUI that occurred on January 5, 2022?

Sounds like criminals gonna crim. She's not an illegal immigrant, right? Like, she got a legal right to be in the country, she didn't avoid being deported after J6? She wasn't let out early from pardons and went and killed someone?

It's sad this happened, but not comparable to an illegal immigrant being let go instead of being deported who then goes on to commit crimes.

Most of the people pardoned by Trump had already served their sentences or were awaiting hearings or trial.

Harte

February 4

On 2/1/2025 at 1:59 PM, Tatetopa said:

It seems a form of scapegoating. We heap all of our sins on the immigrant criminal and go away feeling righteous, without ever acknowledging the other 99 victims destroyed by our fellow citizens. That won't make America Great Again, or women safe again..

Well, IMHO, illegals are just the low fruit. Just as cleaning up (helping?) the homeless was. Just as locking up drug dealers is. Do they need to do 5, or 10 years? No. But they shouldn't do zero either. Those with their olives messed up... Give them help. We spend like 3.5 trillion each year, surely there's some in there to help out a couple hundred thousand people. Even if only outpatient.

When we allow lawlessness, we allow it to grow, fester, and metastasize. A tiny skin bump can kill you if left untreated.

February 4

6 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Well, IMHO, illegals are just the low fruit. Just as cleaning up (helping?) the homeless was. Just as locking up drug dealers is. Do they need to do 5, or 10 years? No. But they shouldn't do zero either. Those with their olives messed up... Give them help. We spend like 3.5 trillion each year, surely there's some in there to help out a couple hundred thousand people. Even if only outpatient.

When we allow lawlessness, we allow it to grow, fester, and metastasize. A tiny skin bump can kill you if left untreated.

The good news is that the Trump adminstration just cut a deal to export citizens to El Salvador: https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/rubio-views-a-deportation-flight-in-panama-as-trump-prioritizes-an-immigration-crackdown/ar-AA1ykqD1?ocid=BingNewsSerp

So next time we can just send the Jan. 6 rioters there. El Salvador probably can't hold all the Americans we want to ship out, but the deal could be struck with other countries with similar set-ups. North Korea maybe.

It's just in the beginning stages, but Trump could start deporting the homeless too.

(I'd put the sarcasm tag here, but it's pretty much true.)

February 4

45 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

The good news is that the Trump adminstration just cut a deal to export citizens to El Salvador: https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/rubio-views-a-deportation-flight-in-panama-as-trump-prioritizes-an-immigration-crackdown/ar-AA1ykqD1?ocid=BingNewsSerp

So next time we can just send the Jan. 6 rioters there. El Salvador probably can't hold all the Americans we want to ship out, but the deal could be struck with other countries with similar set-ups. North Korea maybe.

It's just in the beginning stages, but Trump could start deporting the homeless too.

(I'd put the sarcasm tag here, but it's pretty much true.)

Yeah. Was reading about that. Good thing we have a 2nd Ammendment. We might eventually need it.

February 5

On 1/31/2025 at 7:41 PM, Doc Socks Junior said:

Would you discredit Trump's justice?
Would you condemn him to justify yourself?

No , but Trump sure would do it to anyone else.

February 5

Apparently he's deporting some migrants to Guantánamo bay. How many does Guantánamo hold again?

February 6

13 hours ago, Razman said:

Apparently he's deporting some migrants to Guantánamo bay. How many does Guantánamo hold again?

My brother-in-law is a Federal employee doing IT. His group is going to send some guys, and other groups are sending guys, to update and expand Guantanamo. Apparently it's going to be more than doubled with planned construction.

I'll look online.

Edit:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/02/05/us/politics/immigrant-detention-guantanamo.html

Apparently the prison doesn't hold many, but an existing tent city on the west side could hold 13,000.

Trump wants it upgraded to hold 30,000.

Looks like the first 10 Venezuelan gangsters just arrived.

Good.

Edited February 6 by DieChecker

February 6

On 2/4/2025 at 7:57 AM, Gromdor said:

The good news is that the Trump adminstration just cut a deal to export citizens to El Salvador: https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/rubio-views-a-deportation-flight-in-panama-as-trump-prioritizes-an-immigration-crackdown/ar-AA1ykqD1?ocid=BingNewsSerp

So next time we can just send the Jan. 6 rioters there. El Salvador probably can't hold all the Americans we want to ship out, but the deal could be struck with other countries with similar set-ups. North Korea maybe.

It's just in the beginning stages, but Trump could start deporting the homeless too.

(I'd put the sarcasm tag here, but it's pretty much true.)

Seems even Trump was saying he believes it is generally unconstitutional. Most legal experts also agree, it would be impossible to deport US Citizens, and hard to deport non-Salvadorians, to a Salvadorian prison.

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/05/nx-s1-5287670/trump-el-salvador-americans-prison

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"I'm just saying if we had the legal right to do it, I would do it in a heartbeat," President Trump said when asked about El Salvador's offer on Tuesday. "I don't know if we do or not, we're looking at that right now." Experts, however, are adamant it is unconstitutional.

Jan. 6 prosecutor: Rioters freed by Trump ‘have never been more dangerous’

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