What to know about El Salvador’s mega-prison after Trump deal to send people there

[+OverSword]

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The Trump administration and the president of El Salvador said Monday that they’d struck a deal allowing the U.S. to ship both detained migrants and imprisoned citizens to the tiny Central American nation, which has suspended some basic rights as it battles powerful street gangs.

The U.S. government cannot deport American citizens and Secretary of State Marco Rubio said Tuesday that “there are obviously legalities involved. ”

“We have a Constitution,” he acknowledged. ”But it’s a very generous offer ... obviously, the administration will have to make a decision.”

 

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At face value I'm against this.

[Alchopwn]

Provided they individuals are former citizens of El Salvador who belonged to criminal gangs, who have since fled to the USA, I have no problem with such scum being repatriated to El Salvador.  These gangs have murder as the price of admission.

[+Hammerclaw]

I'm for it. El Salvador destroyed and imprisoned hundreds of thousands of cholos gangs in a couple of years. They built new prisons especially to house them. Criminals and gangsters are the ones we'll send there. 

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[Gromdor]

I'm for it.  We could have sent the Jan.6 rioters there as well as other dissidents.  With thousands of miles distance from their families and lawyers they would enver get back.

As for our hardened criminals, sending them to an international prison with cartels will allow them to make new friends and connections so they can be gainfully employed when released back to the states.

We could even use it to send minorities with a disproportionate percentage of criminal arrests there to get rid of their "gang culture".

If our efforts to criminalize homelessness succeed, we can also send them.

It's cheaper than Guantanamo.  Other friendly countries with facilities like this such as North Korea could also take our citizens for a fee, improving our relations with them.

<sarcasm>

[+OverSword]

9 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

I'm for it. El Salvador destroyed and imprisoned hundreds of thousands of cholos gangs in a couple of years. They built new prisons especially to house them. Criminals and gangsters are the ones we'll send there. 

Due process?  Can you prove criminals and gangsters is who we will send?  If they are only Salvadoran then send those not here legally back and let El Salvador sort them.  If they are not from El Salvador then I question the morality of sending them there. 

[+Hammerclaw]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

Due process?  Can you prove criminals and gangsters is who we will send?  If they are only Salvadoran then send those not here legally back and let El Salvador sort them.  If they are not from El Salvador then I question the morality of sending them there. 

Personally, I find the morals of people from your neck of the woods questionable.

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[+and-then]

57 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Personally, I find the morals of people from your neck of the woods questionable.

I do, as well, but creating a gulag outside the country in which to "convict and forget" isn't a thing I'd want say, Biden or Newsome to have the power to do to ME.

[+Hammerclaw]

13 minutes ago, and-then said:

I do, as well, but creating a gulag outside the country in which to "convict and forget" isn't a thing I'd want say, Biden or Newsome to have the power to do to ME.

They're not creating anything. They're accepting assistance from an ally with dangerous illegal aliens. Legally, anyone entering any country in the world illegally is a criminal. The ones we should send to Gitmo and El Salvador are the ones who were already criminals when they entered our country illegally and those who committed crimes of violence and murder upon entering. I'm not ringing my hands over scum like that and neither should you.

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[+OverSword]

1 hour ago, Hammerclaw said:

Personally, I find the morals of people from your neck of the woods questionable.

Good one. Did a third grader give you pointers on debating?  So you don’t care about basic human rights or due process. Sending anyone to El Salvador to be placed in those gang prisons is a death sentence. Would you be for saving the cost on a plane ride and just feed them to zoo tigers? Could be a win win eh?

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[+Hammerclaw]

2 hours ago, OverSword said:

Good one. Did a third grader give you pointers on debating?  So you don’t care about basic human rights or due process. Sending anyone to El Salvador to be placed in those gang prisons is a death sentence. Would you be for saving the cost on a plane ride and just feed them to zoo tigers? Could be a win win eh?

Enemy Aliens aren't entitled by law to due process, except to be processed out of the country. Don't talk to me, anymore. I wish not to speak to someone defending rapists and murderers. Let's ship them to your state, if you love them so much.

Edited February 6 by Hammerclaw

[Unusual Tournament]

16 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

Provided they individuals are former citizens of El Salvador who belonged to criminal gangs, who have since fled to the USA, I have no problem with such scum being repatriated to El Salvador.  These gangs have murder as the price of admission.

One of Trump’s better programs. I’m all for all habitual prisoners in American prisons, regardless of nationality, to be deported to serve out their prison term in El Salvador. I bet it makes all the tough guys think twice about being tough guys. 

[Golden Duck]

6 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

One of Trump’s better programs. I’m all for all habitual prisoners in American prisons, regardless of nationality, to be deported to serve out their prison term in El Salvador. I bet it makes all the tough guys think twice about being tough guys. 

So you are advocating breaking the law.

[Gromdor]

8 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Enemy Aliens aren't entitled by law to due process, except to be processed out of the country. Don't talk to me, anymore. I wish not to speak to someone defending rapists and murderers. Let's ship them to your state, if you love them so much.

In North Korea perhaps, but the the United States.  The Constitution guarantees it.

 

[Gromdor]

12 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Personally, I find the morals of people from your neck of the woods questionable.

Is this a way of saying you, yourself are not credible?  Because here is a homeless camp in Tennessee:

Edited February 6 by Gromdor

[+OverSword]

11 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Enemy Aliens aren't entitled by law to due process, except to be processed out of the country. Don't talk to me, anymore. I wish not to speak to someone defending rapists and murderers. Let's ship them to your state, if you love them so much.

Feel free to block me. So what percentile of the millions of people here illegally do you feel are rapists and murderers?  Some are certainly.  Probably less than 1%.  But screw it, ship them all off to a death sentence right? 

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[+Hammerclaw]

4 hours ago, Gromdor said:

In North Korea perhaps, but the the United States.  The Constitution guarantees it.

 

Not according to the over two centuries old provision in the constitution cited by the Administration. We are not required by law to give aid and comfort to our enemies.

Trump wants to use the Alien Enemies Act to deport immigrants – but the 18th-century law has been invoked only during times of war

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[+Hammerclaw]

3 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Is this a way of saying you, yourself are not credible?  Because here is a homeless camp in Tennessee:

We tear them down and offer aid to any who will accept it. These hobo camps are in remote locations, not on city streets or in our parks. We enforce vagrancy laws, here, as humanely as possible, but the primary goal is to protect the public, not coddle and encourage civil disobedience by a tiny minority.

With public camping a felony, Tennessee homeless seek refuge | AP News

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[Unusual Tournament]

6 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

So you are advocating breaking the law.

Had no idea it was against the law. Still is a good idea 

[Gromdor]

49 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

We tear them down and offer aid to any who will accept it. These hobo camps are in remote locations, not on city streets or in our parks. We enforce vagrancy laws, here, as humanely as possible, but the primary goal is to protect the public, not coddle and encourage civil disobedience by a tiny minority.

With public camping a felony, Tennessee homeless seek refuge | AP News

Ah, so you criminalize it.  Awesome.  That's the step I mentioned as a pre-requisite before we can start exporting homeless American citizens to El Salvador.

[Gromdor]

1 hour ago, Hammerclaw said:

Not according to the over two centuries old provision in the constitution cited by the Administration. We are not required by law to give aid and comfort to our enemies.

Trump wants to use the Alien Enemies Act to deport immigrants – but the 18th-century law has been invoked only during times of war

Ah, so he wants to invoke it in a time of peace to strip the rights of multiple nationalities of people we are not at war with.  

It was Constitutionally questionable even during war time, but you feel confident that it will pass Constitutional muster now that we have a stacked Supreme Court?

[+Hammerclaw]

38 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Ah, so you criminalize it.  Awesome.  That's the step I mentioned as a pre-requisite before we can start exporting homeless American citizens to El Salvador.

You're a drama queen, just more filth defending rapists and murders.  You're not even an American so your opinion doesn't mean squat.

[+Hammerclaw]

37 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Ah, so he wants to invoke it in a time of peace to strip the rights of multiple nationalities of people we are not at war with.  

It was Constitutionally questionable even during war time, but you feel confident that it will pass Constitutional muster now that we have a stacked Supreme Court?

There are very, very few Americans in these forums who conceal their nationality and you're not one of them, because I remember when you didn't conceal it, so stop saying we, wannabe. The American people made their, choice, so deal with it.

[+OverSword]

25 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

You're a drama queen

And you're something as well

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Old Tent City in Nashville, Tennessee was an encampment for unhoused people for over 40 years. In September 2024, Metro Nashville announced plans to demolish the structures in the encampment due to safety concerns. 

So Nashville had an extremely long term homeless encampment until a couple of months ago but somehow you're holier than everyone else?   

Back on subject, you are endorsing sending people not from El Salvador to a prison in El Salvador never to see the light of day again without knowing for certain they committed a crime other than being in the USA illegally?  Is that about right?  

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[Gromdor]

23 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

There are very, very few Americans in these forums who conceal their nationality and you're not one of them, because I remember when you didn't conceal it, so stop saying we, wannabe. The American people made their, choice, so deal with it.

What are you even talking about?  Everyone here knows I live in Iowa.  Probably since 2011 when I joined UM.

[+joc]

16 hours ago, OverSword said:

Good one. Did a third grader give you pointers on debating?  So you don’t care about basic human rights or due process. Sending anyone to El Salvador to be placed in those gang prisons is a death sentence. Would you be for saving the cost on a plane ride and just feed them to zoo tigers? Could be a win win eh?

I don't think we are going to be using El Salvadorian Prisons built for hardcore criminals to be housing people who were not themselves hardcore criminals.  You should watch a video about those prisons if you haven't.  It's not like any prison you have ever seen.  There are like 20+ inmates in one cell.  No mattresses, nor nothing.  A toilet.  That's about it.  But every cell has an armed guard standing in front of the cell.  Always.  There is never a time when someone is not armed with an assault rifle standing in front of your cell.  If you get out of line...i.e..hurt another inmate.  They throw your ass in the hole...a black hole.  So, the idea that the gangs are going to murder other inmates is just not reality.  They know why they are there.  They did bad things.  But as a gang member in MS13  you had to do those bad things to survive.  Survival in the prison is easy.  You are doing time.  Hard time.  All day, everyday.  You aren't there to be rehabilitated, you are there to be punished.