PM calls Trump’s Gaza plan ‘remarkable’; Katz tells IDF to prep for voluntary emigration

[Kittens Are Jerks]

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu offered an endorsement on Wednesday of US President Donald Trump’s proposal to relocate Gazans from the Strip while work is carried out to rebuild it, calling the plan “remarkable.”

“This is the first good idea that I’ve heard,” Netanyahu said in an interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity. “It’s a remarkable idea. And I think it should be examined, pursued, and done — because I think it will create a different future for everyone.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-calls-trumps-gaza-plan-remarkable-katz-tells-idf-to-prep-for-voluntary-emigration/

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-840907

[pellinore]

If the plan works, it would be a great solution. Gaza could be cleared and rebuilt as a resort, with casinos and luxury hotels, etc., and provide a permanent income for Israel. I was initially skeptical but maybe is a fantastic solution.

I wonder if anyone can see any downsides or any problems with it?

[Kittens Are Jerks]

55 minutes ago, pellinore said:

If the plan works, it would be a great solution. Gaza could be cleared and rebuilt as a resort, with casinos and luxury hotels, etc., and provide a permanent income for Israel. I was initially skeptical but maybe is a fantastic solution.

I wonder if anyone can see any downsides or any problems with it?

Israelis want peace more than they do money. It was their hope that the Palestinians would build up Gaza and live good lives there, but with an Islamist terror group in charge, that was never going to happen. Indeed, it will never happen until Hamas and other groups of the same ilk are out of the picture.

Over the past several years, billions of dollars received by Gaza for aid was instead used for weapons and terror tunnels, jihadist training and terrorism. A choice was made, and it was one with devastating consequences. I don't know how realistic Trump's plan is, nor do I know whether Palestinians will be given the right of return (as they should), but what I do know is that history must not be allowed to repeat itself.

[Tatetopa]

So the US military secures the area at some risk to their lives, defuses bombs, clears Palestinians  out the area, and maintains permanent security paid for by US taxpayers.  Then Kushner Trump and associates build the Rivera of the Middle East and invite their rich friends to come visit and put a target on their heads.  This is using the power of the United States to enrich a few individuals. Meanwhile Palestinians are offered good jobs cleaning toilets, waiting tables, and carrying luggage for entitles elites. What could go wrong?

OTOH, Israel and the US could assist or guide Palestinians rebuilding Gaza , replacing hospitals, power plants and commercial areas for Palestinians and not as a real estate investment for the elites.

[Kittens Are Jerks]

27 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

OTOH, Israel and the US could assist or guide Palestinians rebuilding Gaza , replacing hospitals, power plants and commercial areas for Palestinians and not as a real estate investment for the elites.

I would assume that hospitals, schools, residential complexes and neighbourhoods, etc., would be included in the rebuild, and believe that Trump has said (or at least hinted) as much. I believe he positioned his idea as a better place for Palestinians (and others) to live in. Real estate investments for the elite (including Palestinian billionaires), are not a bad idea as there would be significant job creation opportunities.

Take a look at the chart listing the work permits Israel issued to Palestinians in 2015. The vast majority of the workers are in the construction sector, followed by agriculture, so the skill sets are there. There is no reason why Palestinians could not be part of the rebuild.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_workers_in_Israel

I personally think his idea is pie in the sky, and even if it wasn't, it would take a good decade to achieve it. So the big issue remains — what happens to the Palestinians in the interim? Some have stated they would be happy to live in the rubble rather than lose their land, but with a shortage of shelters, schools, hospitals, etc., how could they possibly live well? They would clearly be better off elsewhere, but I understand why some would be reluctant to do so.

[Kittens Are Jerks]

US President Donald Trump on Thursday expanded on his plan to push out Gaza’s 2.3 million residents, pledging that the Strip “would be turned over to the United States by Israel at the conclusion of fighting,” and rejecting American boots on the ground as a precondition for the reconstruction of the devastated enclave.

Given that there is currently a ceasefire, his use of the phrase “at the conclusion of the fighting,” appeared to at least leave the door open for the possibility that the war will resume, per the demand of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing flank.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-israel-would-hand-gaza-to-us-when-war-ends-no-american-troops-needed-there/

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1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

OTOH, Israel and the US could assist or guide Palestinians rebuilding Gaza , replacing hospitals, power plants and commercial areas for Palestinians and not as a real estate investment for the elites.

Okay, let's go with your second scenario.  Where do the hundreds of thousands of locals actually live while the rebuilding is underway?  If Hamas isn't included in the $ bonanza, what do you expect their role to be?  Finally, if the new construction is completed but nothing is done to stop the generational hatred being taught, what ultimately happens in those new neighborhoods?  These kinds of solutions always use a level of expectation based on what rational people would be expected to do.  These people are barbarians.  They are not the same as most civilized cultures and their history proves this.  I believe the only way to bring peace for them as well as for Israel is for them to voluntarily relocate.  Most of them never will so let the world see them for what they are - barbarians who desire Jewish blood more than the happiness of their own children's futures.

[Kittens Are Jerks]

Trump’s call for US ‘ownership’ of Gaza draws attention to Strip’s tumultuous history

Gaza has long been a powder keg, and it exploded after Hamas terrorists stormed southern Israel on October 7, 2023, and began killing and abducting people, sparking a crushing Israeli military operation that’s only recently stopped under a tenuous ceasefire.

US President Donald Trump’s suggestion Tuesday that displaced Palestinians in Gaza be permanently resettled outside the war-torn territory and the US take “ownership” of the land is triggering new tensions over the future of the enclave.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/trumps-call-for-us-ownership-of-gaza-draws-attention-to-strips-tumultuous-history/

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From the article:

Israel’s Western European allies also assailed the plan, with British Prime Minister Keir Starmer saying Palestinians “must be allowed home, they must be allowed to rebuild, and we should be with them in that rebuild on the way to a two-state solution.”

These folks are unable to grasp the reality that a 2SS is just another version of a Final Solution.  The Palestinians do not want peace or coexistence.  They have always been honest about this.  The reality of a Palestinian state is that they would build more fortifications, arm themselves and launch more attacks, PERIOD.  Israel will always be waiting for the next 10/7.  You know, like the one that caused the world to turn against THEM rather than those who slaughtered them?

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Netanyahu should hold out supporting this deal until Iran's nuclear infrastructure is turned into smoking ruins and their regime is overthrown from within.

[Kittens Are Jerks]

11 minutes ago, and-then said:

These folks are unable to grasp the reality that a 2SS is just another version of a Final Solution.  The Palestinians do not want peace or coexistence.  They have always been honest about this.  The reality of a Palestinian state is that they would build more fortifications, arm themselves and launch more attacks, PERIOD.  Israel will always be waiting for the next 10/7.  You know, like the one that caused the world to turn against THEM rather than those who slaughtered them?

In 1977 PLO spokesman Zahir Muhsein made a statement that should perhaps be heeded today. In an interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw he declared: “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. … There is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people.”

Israel is not going anywhere and it's time Palestinians accepted that. They will never be able to undo its creation. One hopes that eventually more pragmatic Palestinian minds will prevail, but in the interim, I agree that they should not be rewarded with statehood.

[Kittens Are Jerks]

Rubio says Gaza currently ‘not habitable,’ declines to say if Palestinians will be able to return if they leave

US Secretary of State Marco Rubio says that Gaza currently is “not habitable” due to dangers, such as unexploded weapons, and that people will have to live elsewhere while the area is rebuilt.

Rubio, answering a reporter’s question during a visit to the Dominican Republic, encourages other countries to step forward and offer to help rebuild Gaza, but does not say whether Palestinians would be able to return to the area under a proposal by US President Donald Trump to take over and develop the Gaza Strip.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/rubio-says-gaza-currently-not-habitable-declines-to-say-if-palestinians-will-be-able-to-return-if-they-leave/

[Tatetopa]

45 minutes ago, and-then said:

Okay, let's go with your second scenario.  Where do the hundreds of thousands of locals actually live while the rebuilding is underway?  If Hamas isn't included in the $ bonanza, what do you expect their role to be?  Finally, if the new construction is completed but nothing is done to stop the generational hatred being taught, what ultimately happens in those new neighborhoods?  These kinds of solutions always use a level of expectation based on what rational people would be expected to do.  These people are barbarians.  They are not the same as most civilized cultures and their history proves this.  I believe the only way to bring peace for them as well as for Israel is for them to voluntarily relocate.  Most of them never will so let the world see them for what they are - barbarians who desire Jewish blood more than the happiness of their own children's futures.

All good questions. There is no way to wave our arms and make it all better in this reality.

Where do the Palestinians go?  Where are they now?  Leave them there for the time being.  I suspect that generations in a refugee camp do not breed hope or gratitude, more likely despair and resentment. But for the next year or two fully staffed camps with schools and medical care will have to do. One can't level Gaza all at once.  Begin  with a few square miles. Enlist the people who are going to live there to help with design for schools, shops, and public spaces.  Find the merchants and small business people who will occupy the shops and run the restaurants etc. Find some investors for medium sized factories to provide jobs.  Earning money gives a lot more satisfaction than depending on charity. 

Obviously Hamas cannot play a part or receive funding.  That would mean some pretty strict control and limited freedom of choice starting out, but I don't see a way around that either.  That is a far cry from statehood, but maybe better than the conditions today. Israel might have a better grasp of the situation so maybe the US is backup and Israel runs the effort.

And as you say, there has to be an end to the conditions that teach generational hatred.  As long as there are refugee camps, they breed resentment and hatred.  Camps, no matter what country they are in have to be ended and the population moved into newly built stable communities when they become available.  You don't have a civilized culture in a refugee camp.  I would even bet that if you and I  and our families were rounded up, some of our relatives were killed in the process and we and our children were cold, hungry, and hopeless, we might become a little barbaric too. 

There have to be jobs, services, prosperity, and hope to end the cycle.  I suspect those are more important to  families than statehood.  That is my bet. 

 

 

[pellinore]

2 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

So the US military secures the area at some risk to their lives, defuses bombs, clears Palestinians  out the area, and maintains permanent security paid for by US taxpayers.  Then Kushner Trump and associates build the Rivera of the Middle East and invite their rich friends to come visit and put a target on their heads.  This is using the power of the United States to enrich a few individuals. Meanwhile Palestinians are offered good jobs cleaning toilets, waiting tables, and carrying luggage for entitles elites. What could go wrong?

That's it! And there is no problem with the 2.5M Palestinians, they are just going to have to find somewhere else to live.  I can see Trump being nominated for a Nobel, along with Musk. The man is a genius!

[pellinore]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

Okay, let's go with your second scenario.  Where do the hundreds of thousands of locals actually live while the rebuilding is underway? 

Palestine?

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13 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

There have to be jobs, services, prosperity, and hope to end the cycle.  I suspect those are more important to  families than statehood.  That is my bet. 

Netanyahu's attempts to "civilize" these people followed precisely this path.  Give them money and with it, something to lose.  We saw how that worked out of 10/7.  These folks are NOT as interested in wealth as you or I would be.  I'm not sure what more convincing actions could be shown to you or those who think as you do in this example.  For them, this is a blood feud and even if they were made wealthy and had fine homes and freedom to travel, they would still eventually turn back to violence.  I'd have some hope in your outlook if there had ever been any evidence of it working.  This cycle can only be managed, it will not be "solved" so long as these people are funded and protected as they plan their massacres.  

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12 minutes ago, pellinore said:

Palestine?

In that case, they'd better start rebuilding soon.  The tent camps from 1948 were better housing than most have now.  Or they can simply squat in the ruins they created by slaughtering unarmed civilians in Israel.

[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, and-then said:

Netanyahu's attempts to "civilize" these people followed precisely this path.  Give them money and with it, something to lose.  We saw how that worked out of 10/7.  These folks are NOT as interested in wealth as you or I would be.  I'm not sure what more convincing actions could be shown to you or those who think as you do in this example.  For them, this is a blood feud and even if they were made wealthy and had fine homes and freedom to travel, they would still eventually turn back to violence.  I'd have some hope in your outlook if there had ever been any evidence of it working.  This cycle can only be managed, it will not be "solved" so long as these people are funded and protected as they plan their massacres.  

No it did not.  It was a stand off plan that let Hamas retain control.  With the points you have justifiably made, stand off will not work. We know that.  It is going to take a lot more oversight than that to change the circumstances on the ground. Gaza has already been razed, standing off will only let Hamas burrow deeper.    It is now at disaster time when full engagement and oversight on the ground is required.  It should be Israel that is supplying food, aid, and medical care,  not Hamas. Very heavy handed indeed, I don't like it very much , but I don't see a better alternative. If Trump wants to help, he can offer Israel back up, security, bomb disposal , and other services.

It is critical for Israel to get this right and they know it. They suffer the most if they can't.  The US needs to stop being a bull in a china shop and back their play not make it a real estate deal.

[Kittens Are Jerks]

Netanyahu: 'The Saudis can create a Palestinian state in Saudi Arabia'

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that Saudi Arabia had enough land to provide the Palestinians with a state in a Channel 14 interview on Thursday. "The Saudis can create a Palestinian state in Saudi Arabia; they have a lot of land over there," he said.

When questioned about a Palestinian state as a condition of normalization, Netanyahu said he "would not make an agreement that would endanger the State of Israel." "Especially not a Palestinian state. After October 7? Do you know what that is? There was a Palestinian state, it was called Gaza. Gaza, led by Hamas, was a Palestinian state, and look what we got – the biggest massacre since the Holocaust," he said.

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-841082

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‘The Golden Girls’ joked about ‘giving the Palestinians Greenland,' 40 years before Trump’s gambit
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-841174

Better quality video than the one in the article:

 

[Kittens Are Jerks]

The man with the plan: DC prof sent Trump study on Gaza relocation, development in July

US President Donald Trump’s proposal to relocate Gaza’s Palestinians and then redevelop the Gaza Strip has sent shockwaves worldwide. Rejected by the Arab world and much of the international community, it has been welcomed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as an idea that “could change history,” “worth listening carefully to,” and “the first original idea that has been raised in years.”

For one man in Washington, however, the proposal Trump unveiled when hosting Netanyahu at the White House on Tuesday came as no shock: George Washington University Professor Joseph Pelzman.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-man-with-the-plan-dc-prof-sent-trump-gaza-relocation-development-study-in-july/

Article includes photo of a model of what the revitalized Gaza Strip might look like.

[+and-then]

It's an interesting approach.  When/If Hamas and the Iranian mullahs are uprooted and removed from the region, it might have a chance to work.

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On 2/6/2025 at 11:00 AM, pellinore said:

If the plan works, it would be a great solution. Gaza could be cleared and rebuilt as a resort, with casinos and luxury hotels, etc., and provide a permanent income for Israel. I was initially skeptical but maybe is a fantastic solution.

I wonder if anyone can see any downsides or any problems with it?

I don't believe for a minute that he thinks it can be done this way.  What this "plan" can do is to raise awareness of the Palestinians preferring to live in the ruins rather than have a better life that does not include killing Jews.  THAT will certainly become apparent to anyone willing to open their eyes.  I also think that this current war is going to lead to a peace agreement between Israel and "many".  It may take another number of years but it could also happen much sooner.  You'll know it's the one that was predicted if it has a time component of seven years associated with it.  They'll likely call it a plan for "confidence building" but in reality, it will be broken at the midpoint by the same individual who brought the peace agreement to fruition.

[psyche101]

On 2/7/2025 at 5:39 AM, Kittens Are Jerks said:

US President Donald Trump on Thursday expanded on his plan to push out Gaza’s 2.3 million residents, pledging that the Strip “would be turned over to the United States by Israel at the conclusion of fighting,” and rejecting American boots on the ground as a precondition for the reconstruction of the devastated enclave.

Given that there is currently a ceasefire, his use of the phrase “at the conclusion of the fighting,” appeared to at least leave the door open for the possibility that the war will resume, per the demand of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing flank.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-israel-would-hand-gaza-to-us-when-war-ends-no-american-troops-needed-there/

 

See, therein lies the problem. Kicking people out of their country and taking over. Colonialism all over again. Past mistakes being repeated. This is how rebellions take hold. 

Palestinians don't want to hand over their land to the US. Honestly, who would? Why would he say such an obvious lie? 

He has stated he intends the Riviera to be for "the world's people" not Palestinians. It's a version of genocide. 

It would also more likely kick start WWIII. Every middle east country will get behind Palestine to defend it from the invasion of infidels.

It's little wonder Netanyahu approves. It's a easy path to ultimate victory. All Palestinians removed from Gaza and the US will no doubt end up giving him total control of the region. That's if Trump doesn't come up with some stupid idea and tries to make it a state of America or something. 

I'd agree Hamas can't continue. That should be what yes working towards. How to help Palestine get itself on its feet with a government for the people and making the terrorist factions international criminals, but he's not getting any favours from the ICC these days. 

[Wickian]

5 hours ago, psyche101 said:

It would also more likely kick start WWIII. Every middle east country will get behind Palestine to defend it from the invasion of infidels.

I don't think it would start another regional war, but I agree that we shouldn't be even hinting and relocating an entire population or getting involved in the conflict at all.  We shouldn't even be funding Israel since that's participating in the conflict as well.  I've never been a fan of the whole World Police mentality.