Trump supports European invasion from Russia

[pellinore]

Trump is a **** and so are the people who support him.

Donald Trump's concessions on Ukraine have played into the hands of Vladimir Putin, experts have warned, at a time when intelligence chiefs say Moscow is preparing its military for a major war in Europe.

US defence chief Pete Hegseth told European counterparts on Wednesday that Ukraine's dream of returning to its pre-2014 borders was an 'illusionary goal' and that Kyiv's wish for NATO membership was 'not realistic'.

His statements are widely seen as a major victory for Putin and a devastating blow to Kyiv, which as a result could be forced to cede vast swathes of territory without the prospect of a security guarantee.

'I tell you they're drinking vodka straight out of the bottle in the Kremlin tonight,' Trump's former national security adviser John Bolton told CNN. 'It was a great day for Moscow.'

Now Putin is poised to invade Europe as Trump casts Ukraine aside: Spy chiefs warn Russia is preparing for large-scale war by 2030 - with president's 'peace talks' compared to Chamberlain appeasing Hitler | Daily Mail Online

Edited February 13 by pellinore

[Buzz_Light_Year]

1 hour ago, pellinore said:

His statements are widely seen as a major victory for Putin and a devastating blow to Kyiv, which as a result could be forced to cede vast swathes of territory without the prospect of a security guarantee.

'I tell you they're drinking vodka straight out of the bottle in the Kremlin tonight,' Trump's former national security adviser John Bolton told CNN. 'It was a great day for Moscow.'

Big Mustache John needs to lay off the powder.

[odas]

On 2/13/2025 at 5:17 AM, pellinore said:

Trump is a **** and so are the people who support him.

Donald Trump's concessions on Ukraine have played into the hands of Vladimir Putin, experts have warned, at a time when intelligence chiefs say Moscow is preparing its military for a major war in Europe.

US defence chief Pete Hegseth told European counterparts on Wednesday that Ukraine's dream of returning to its pre-2014 borders was an 'illusionary goal' and that Kyiv's wish for NATO membership was 'not realistic'.

His statements are widely seen as a major victory for Putin and a devastating blow to Kyiv, which as a result could be forced to cede vast swathes of territory without the prospect of a security guarantee.

'I tell you they're drinking vodka straight out of the bottle in the Kremlin tonight,' Trump's former national security adviser John Bolton told CNN. 'It was a great day for Moscow.'

Now Putin is poised to invade Europe as Trump casts Ukraine aside: Spy chiefs warn Russia is preparing for large-scale war by 2030 - with president's 'peace talks' compared to Chamberlain appeasing Hitler | Daily Mail Online

I believe yesterday or the day before, Mark Rutte in his speach asked specificly Turkiye to produce more weaponary for Europe, to go in more shifts and hire more workers. Meetings have been arranged between Turkish and Europe defence leaders.

I agree, Europe needs to have it's own army, to look after their own interests, be inner european multi cultural and expell all criminal non europeans and minimize the far right and far left agendas.

Europe and Canada, Australia, New Zeeland...have to form a strong economic allianze not depending on the US, Russia, China and the middle east including Israel.

[Duke Wellington]

On 2/13/2025 at 10:17 AM, pellinore said:

Trump is a **** and so are the people who support him.

Donald Trump's concessions on Ukraine have played into the hands of Vladimir Putin, experts have warned, at a time when intelligence chiefs say Moscow is preparing its military for a major war in Europe.

US defence chief Pete Hegseth told European counterparts on Wednesday that Ukraine's dream of returning to its pre-2014 borders was an 'illusionary goal' and that Kyiv's wish for NATO membership was 'not realistic'.

His statements are widely seen as a major victory for Putin and a devastating blow to Kyiv, which as a result could be forced to cede vast swathes of territory without the prospect of a security guarantee.

'I tell you they're drinking vodka straight out of the bottle in the Kremlin tonight,' Trump's former national security adviser John Bolton told CNN. 'It was a great day for Moscow.'

Now Putin is poised to invade Europe as Trump casts Ukraine aside: Spy chiefs warn Russia is preparing for large-scale war by 2030 - with president's 'peace talks' compared to Chamberlain appeasing Hitler | Daily Mail Online

The war was lost on day one, nothing is going to change that.

[Tatetopa]

Perhaps Donald Trump does not want to come down too hard on territorial gain by military conquest since he is eyeing Greenland, Canada, Gaza, Mexico and Panama as possible targets for US military force.

[Tatetopa]

5 minutes ago, Duke Wellington said:

The war was lost on day one, nothing is going to change that.

If you could see that, you are a visionary indeed.  I never guessed Russia would break its military and its economy and be exposed as a corrupt shell on a failed invasion of Ukraine. I salute your perspicacity.

[Duke Wellington]

2 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

If you could see that, you are a visionary indeed.  I never guessed Russia would break its military and its economy and be exposed as a corrupt shell on a failed invasion of Ukraine. I salute your perspicacity.

No, I can just apply critical thinking when watching the news.

[+Hammerclaw]

I have to admire Europe's courage; they are able and willing to prosecute this war until the last Ukranian. Keir Starmer admits the only way Ukraine will maintain sovereignty is if guaranteed by the United States. Putin, in utter contempt of Europe's self-imposed impotence, says Europe has no place in any peace talks.  Three years this war has been going on, now a static front line that ripples, but doesn't change. Three years of the U.S. in WII we were fighting in the Hurtgen Forest. In the Pacific, we were slugging it out on Luzon, driving toward Manilla. WWI is a better comparison to that which this war has devolved i.e. static trench warfare a war of attrition Russia has a better chance winning. At best, this European conflict Europeans are unwilling to sacrifice their ostensibly neutral, phony war status and shed a single drop of their own blood for, will become another frozen conflict like Korea, needing only historical impetus to begin again.

Edited February 17 by Hammerclaw

[pellinore]

4 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

I have to admire Europe's courage; they are able and willing to prosecute this war until the last Ukranian. Keir Starmer admits the only way Ukraine will maintain sovereignty is if guaranteed by the United States. Putin, in utter contempt of Europe's self-imposed impotence, says Europe has no place in any peace talks.  Three years this war has been going on, now a static front line that ripples, but doesn't change. Three years of the U.S. in WII we were fighting in the Hurtgen Forest. In the Pacific, we were slugging it out on Luzon, driving toward Manilla. WWI is a better comparison to that which this war has devolved i.e. static trench warfare a war of attrition Russia has a better chance winning. At best, this European conflict Europeans are unwilling to sacrifice their ostensibly neutral, phony war status and shed a single drop of their own blood for, will become another frozen conflict like Korea, needing only historical impetus to begin again.

 

[+Hammerclaw]

15 minutes ago, pellinore said:

 

I feel there would have been 1000 percent less destruction and loss of life if you had capitulated at the beginning and lived to fight another day. The only kind of victory you'll get now is a pyrrhic one and a fleeting one. Your Euro fans decided to sit this one it out, humming Gorky Park, loudly.

https://youtu.be/n4RjJKxsamQ?si=ypN5KH4dai8NqSjG

 

Edited February 17 by Hammerclaw

[+Hammerclaw]

On 2/13/2025 at 5:17 AM, pellinore said:

Trump is a **** and so are the people who support him.

Donald Trump's concessions on Ukraine have played into the hands of Vladimir Putin, experts have warned, at a time when intelligence chiefs say Moscow is preparing its military for a major war in Europe.

US defence chief Pete Hegseth told European counterparts on Wednesday that Ukraine's dream of returning to its pre-2014 borders was an 'illusionary goal' and that Kyiv's wish for NATO membership was 'not realistic'.

His statements are widely seen as a major victory for Putin and a devastating blow to Kyiv, which as a result could be forced to cede vast swathes of territory without the prospect of a security guarantee.

'I tell you they're drinking vodka straight out of the bottle in the Kremlin tonight,' Trump's former national security adviser John Bolton told CNN. 'It was a great day for Moscow.'

Now Putin is poised to invade Europe as Trump casts Ukraine aside: Spy chiefs warn Russia is preparing for large-scale war by 2030 - with president's 'peace talks' compared to Chamberlain appeasing Hitler | Daily Mail Online

Invade Europe with what? 

[pellinore]

11 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Invade Europe with what? 

He has invaded Ukraine and is gradually gaining territory there against the NATO weaponry, isn't he? He just needs to continue with the same tactics.

[+Hammerclaw]

11 minutes ago, pellinore said:

He has invaded Ukraine and is gradually gaining territory there against the NATO weaponry, isn't he? He just needs to continue with the same tactics.

If he had invaded just Poland with everything he had to invade Ukraine with, The Poles would have been on the outskirts of Moscow within a Week. Russian conventional forces, at their best, would suffer 50 to one casualties against NATO forces. Ukraine has been fighting alone against them for three years, outmanned and outgunned. NATO hand-me-downs helped, but manpower shortages have become critical. Their big-brave upper class fled the country in their millions, leaving the working class to fight the war.

[pellinore]

51 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

If he had invaded just Poland with everything he had to invade Ukraine with, The Poles would have been on the outskirts of Moscow within a Week. Russian conventional forces, at their best, would suffer 50 to one casualties against NATO forces. Ukraine has been fighting alone against them for three years, outmanned and outgunned. NATO hand-me-downs helped, but manpower shortages have become critical. Their big-brave upper class fled the country in their millions, leaving the working class to fight the war.

Now you are talking about NATO, which the stupid surrender monkey Trump has just gutted! This is why the world is so angry you have voted for a moron as POTUS!

[+Hammerclaw]

11 minutes ago, pellinore said:

Now you are talking about NATO, which the stupid surrender monkey Trump has just gutted! This is why the world is so angry you have voted for a moron as POTUS!

No, he's an assertive President like Andrew Jackson and a loud, bellicose President like Theodore Roosevelt. 

Oh, please. Explain how he gutted NATO. Was it by leading, instead of following?

Edited February 17 by Hammerclaw

[TigerBright19]

4 hours ago, pellinore said:

 

Good or bad, that is how peace is secured.  e.g.  the IRA bombing campaign ended because both sides came to the table and made a deal for peace.  Deals were made with many terrorist leaders in the past for either peace, profit, land or resources.  When they no longer provide any further use we get rid of them. e.g. Gaddafi, Saddam etc.  Negotiating with Putin for peace is just another page of diplomatic procedure.  Both sides bargain to reach a deal and they both take the credit.

 

Nostalgia - 2014 President Obama on Ukraine war

 

 

Edited February 18 by TigerBright19

[+and-then]

4 hours ago, pellinore said:

which the stupid surrender monkey Trump has just gutted!

How did Trump "gut" NATO exactly?  

[+Hammerclaw]

6 minutes ago, and-then said:

How did Trump "gut" NATO exactly?  

Instead of backing up their failed policies, he stepped out in front like a leader of the free world and said: "Hold my beer." After four years of a demented turnip for a President, they find one that can actually find the front and assert himself, disconcerting. 

[Arbenol]

7 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Instead of backing up their failed policies, he stepped out in front like a leader of the free world and said: "Hold my beer." After four years of a demented turnip for a President, they find one that can actually find the front and assert himself, disconcerting. 

I sincerely hope you're right. But, what you call assertion many call appeasement. Strategic capitulation can be a valid option, but let's hope Trump doesn't become a 21st century Neville Chamberlain. 

[Unusual Tournament]

5 hours ago, pellinore said:

He has invaded Ukraine and is gradually gaining territory there against the NATO weaponry, isn't he? He just needs to continue with the same tactics.

Anything is possible with Putin, though I’m inclined to believe he’ll want a softer target than Europe. Maybe one of the central Asian republics might be in his sights but there will have to be a lot of rebuilding before

[+Hammerclaw]

1 hour ago, Arbenol said:

I sincerely hope you're right. But, what you call assertion many call appeasement. Strategic capitulation can be a valid option, but let's hope Trump doesn't become a 21st century Neville Chamberlain. 

Hope he doesn't become a Teddy Roosevelt who seized territory from Colombia to build the Panama Canal, or who invaded a North African country to free a kidnapped U.S. diplomat. You draw a lot of conclusions from a mere conversation. People sitting in armchairs or swivel chairs in front of tv or computer screens can afford to be jingoistic, they've nothing to lose. Yet, in all that exciting imagery of missiles flying, drones dropping their lethal payloads on the heads of their enemies, tanks exploding and turrets flying, don't forget the cost in human lives. While we preen ourselves over the righteousness of the cause we back, somebody's husband, son, father is dying a horrible death before our eyes while we watch, avidly, while drinking our favorite drinks and stuffing our favoring comfort foods in our mouths. 

Edited February 18 by Hammerclaw

[Arbenol]

10 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Hope he doesn't become a Teddy Roosevelt who seized territory from Colombia to build the Panama Canal, or who invaded a North African country to free a kidnapped U.S. diplomat. You draw a lot of conclusions from a mere conversation. People sitting in armchairs or swivel chairs in front of tv or computer screens can afford to be jingoistic, they've nothing to lose. Yet, in all that exciting imagery of missiles flying, drones dropping their lethal payloads on the heads of their enemies, tanks exploding and turrets flying, don't forget the cost in human lives. While we preen ourselves over the righteousness of the cause we back, somebody's husband, son, father is dying a horrible death before our eyes while we watch, avidly, while drinking our favorite drinks and stuffing our favoring comfort foods in our mouths. 

I draw no conclusions. Just observations.

[+Hammerclaw]

15 minutes ago, Arbenol said:

I draw no conclusions. Just observations.

Point taken; I do draw conclusions. I conclude Ukraine is a European crisis and Europe has already Neville Chamberlained Ukraine by eschewing direct intervention, prior to the invasion, their subsequent indirect material support notwithstanding. Ukraine was running behind the sled and they pulled away and watched the wolves close in. The Biden administration is equally cupable.

Edited February 18 by Hammerclaw

[Arbenol]

2 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Point taken; I do draw conclusions. I conclude Ukraine is a European crisis and Europe has already Neville Chamberlained Ukraine by eschewing direct intervention, prior to the invasion, their subsequent indirect material support notwithstanding. Ukraine was running behind the sled and pulled away and watched the wolves close in. The Biden administration is equally cupable.

Fair enough. I get that there was probably little that could have been done to prevent Russia taking the territory they have. 

If Ukraine had capitulated before the war (a move Trump has said he would have encouraged) we would not have this conflict and consequent deaths. 

On the surface, this seems a pragmatic response, and it's hard to criticise a position that could have prevented it all. But it doesn't sit right with many to accept "might is right", and capitulate to bullies.

Short term gains often turn into long term disasters. What seems best now might bring worse devastation in the future. 

[Ajay0]

Sad to see war-mongering articles like this trying to create hysteria and mass fear by demonising the russian bogeyman. All this is profitable to the military-industrial complex capitalists with good weapons sales while the common man is crushed by inflation and rising prices due to the war that has blocked essential supplies and goods.

Russia with its depleting army and relatively weaker economy does not pose any danger to Europe in terms of conventional warfare. The only threat it poses is a nuclear war and holocaust which Europe has no defense against, especially UK and France which are outmatched totally by Russia's nuclear arsenal. Even western generals have warned they have no defense against Russian hypersonic missiles which are designed to overcome all western missile defenses.

Considering the inflammatory relations between NATO and Russia marked by emotivity and reactivity, it is important that the UN and NAM should work on creating a buffer zone between them so that knee-jerk reactions leading to a nuclear war is prevented or nipped in the bud.

There are only Losers in a nuclear war , and this fact should be impressed on the western and russian people, so that they could elect leaders with more peaceful policies focussed on compromise and mutually beneficial friendship.