WVK Posted February 14 #1 Share Posted February 14 Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) said Thursday that Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) staffers are now examining the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), warning against access to U.S. taxpayer data. ”henchmen” “My office is hearing that DOGE is now at the IRS. That means Musk’s henchmen are in a position to dig through a trove of data about every taxpayer in America,” Wyden wrote in a Thursday post on the social platform X, which Musk owns. “And if your refund is delayed, they could very well be the reason.” https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5144311-elon-musk-doge-irs/ 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edumakated Posted February 14 #2 Share Posted February 14 Honestly, I wouldn't put it past the deep state to delay refunds to try to get DOGE to back off.... 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted February 14 #3 Share Posted February 14 Meanwhile, hackers breach DOGE: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/experts-left-database-open-hackers-mock-elon-musk-after-easily-defacing-his-doge-site/ar-AA1z3x1V?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=ab364c9308a34586e4cf27c444e5e0f2&ei=11 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katniss Posted February 14 #4 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Gromdor said: Meanwhile, hackers breach DOGE: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/experts-left-database-open-hackers-mock-elon-musk-after-easily-defacing-his-doge-site/ar-AA1z3x1V?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=ab364c9308a34586e4cf27c444e5e0f2&ei=11 I wonder if it's Anonymous? They posted this on X 3 days ago. https://x.com/YourAnonNews/status/1889478130634547552 YT version. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted February 14 #5 Share Posted February 14 (edited) The problem isn’t “non-political oversight of spending” or ensuring efficient spending in government, but rather who is doing it. I therefore propose someone establish “Citizen Oversight of Critical Budgeting, Legislation, Official Commerce, Knowledge of Insider Negative Gallimaufry” whereby skilled members of the public, vetted by other members of the public ensure nothing happens without permission and approval. Edited February 14 by Sir Wearer of Hats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted February 14 #6 Share Posted February 14 5 hours ago, Gromdor said: Meanwhile, hackers breach DOGE: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/experts-left-database-open-hackers-mock-elon-musk-after-easily-defacing-his-doge-site/ar-AA1z3x1V?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=ab364c9308a34586e4cf27c444e5e0f2&ei=11 You mean they hacked the public website, that's not the same thing as hacking DOGE. The way you make it sound, the hackers hacked the databases that housed all the social security records. In reality, if DOGE was a physical building, hacking the website is the equivalent of spray painting graffiti on the wall in the middle of the night - a nuisance, perhaps, an embarrassment, possibly, but ultimately pointless. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted February 15 #7 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, Link of Hyrule said: You mean they hacked the public website, that's not the same thing as hacking DOGE. The way you make it sound, the hackers hacked the databases that housed all the social security records. In reality, if DOGE was a physical building, hacking the website is the equivalent of spray painting graffiti on the wall in the middle of the night - a nuisance, perhaps, an embarrassment, possibly, but ultimately pointless. HI Link Is that how wiki leaks happened 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted February 15 #8 Share Posted February 15 41 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: HI Link Is that how wiki leaks happened No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted February 15 #9 Share Posted February 15 49 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said: No. HI Link Julian Assange's Wikileaks - which has published thousands of classified documents covering everything from the film industry to national security and wars - has been dividing opinion for years. To its supporters, the whistleblowing website is a key player in exposing secrets governments and companies would rather keep hidden. But to those who found their documents exposed on the web, it is a dangerous and reckless force. The US government has argued that the publication of the Wikileaks files - which disclosed information about the Iraq and Afghanistan wars - went as far as endangering lives. Seems like a hack of a system how do you think Doge is safer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted February 15 #10 Share Posted February 15 3 hours ago, Link of Hyrule said: You mean they hacked the public website, that's not the same thing as hacking DOGE. The way you make it sound, the hackers hacked the databases that housed all the social security records. In reality, if DOGE was a physical building, hacking the website is the equivalent of spray painting graffiti on the wall in the middle of the night - a nuisance, perhaps, an embarrassment, possibly, but ultimately pointless. There was this: https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/classified-data-posted-on-elon-musk-s-doge-website-report/ar-AA1z4OY1?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=13159b7bbd204752b63c80fe55dc7e50&ei=11 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted February 15 #11 Share Posted February 15 44 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: HI Link Julian Assange's Wikileaks - which has published thousands of classified documents covering everything from the film industry to national security and wars - has been dividing opinion for years. To its supporters, the whistleblowing website is a key player in exposing secrets governments and companies would rather keep hidden. But to those who found their documents exposed on the web, it is a dangerous and reckless force. The US government has argued that the publication of the Wikileaks files - which disclosed information about the Iraq and Afghanistan wars - went as far as endangering lives. Seems like a hack of a system how do you think Doge is safer 36 minutes ago, Gromdor said: There was this: https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/classified-data-posted-on-elon-musk-s-doge-website-report/ar-AA1z4OY1?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=13159b7bbd204752b63c80fe55dc7e50&ei=11 Wikileaks was basically a platform designed for whistleblowers to post classified material. The DOGE public website is designed to be accessed by the public and contain no classified or sensitive material. That makes the two incomparable. For analogy, if you were to access my school's public website and hack into it, there is absolutely no way for you to gain access to any classified data. You could deface the layout, change the dates on term events, all sorts of things, but there is no private data, no student records, no addresses or internal communications or anything private whatsoever, you need to access staff portals on different domains for that sort of information. The DOGE public website should be equally free from private or classified data. That's what one of these controversies is about - an employee has alleged that classified material was uploaded to the public website by staff. That is an issue, if true it could potentially cause harm. We have only the allegations from this employee that this happened, but if it did then the data was there regardless of if the site was hacked, and hacking it won't gain any new data. This issue is a concern as classified data on a public website is a danger. But that is true whether the site is hacked or not. Which brings us to the other issue - hacking a public website should be a nuisance issue at worst, there is nothing classified or private on these systems. It's embarrassing, but in and of itself can cause no harm, unlike the uploading of classified material, which everyone agrees (or should agree) is a security breach. As such, I would like to maintain the position I argued. Cheers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted February 15 #12 Share Posted February 15 52 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said: Wikileaks was basically a platform designed for whistleblowers to post classified material. The DOGE public website is designed to be accessed by the public and contain no classified or sensitive material. That makes the two incomparable. For analogy, if you were to access my school's public website and hack into it, there is absolutely no way for you to gain access to any classified data. You could deface the layout, change the dates on term events, all sorts of things, but there is no private data, no student records, no addresses or internal communications or anything private whatsoever, you need to access staff portals on different domains for that sort of information. The DOGE public website should be equally free from private or classified data. That's what one of these controversies is about - an employee has alleged that classified material was uploaded to the public website by staff. That is an issue, if true it could potentially cause harm. We have only the allegations from this employee that this happened, but if it did then the data was there regardless of if the site was hacked, and hacking it won't gain any new data. This issue is a concern as classified data on a public website is a danger. But that is true whether the site is hacked or not. Which brings us to the other issue - hacking a public website should be a nuisance issue at worst, there is nothing classified or private on these systems. It's embarrassing, but in and of itself can cause no harm, unlike the uploading of classified material, which everyone agrees (or should agree) is a security breach. As such, I would like to maintain the position I argued. Cheers HI link The information was stolen from gov't files which means unauthorized use 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted February 15 #13 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, jmccr8 said: HI link The information was stolen from gov't files which means unauthorized use Id say it's worse than many realise. DOGE Staffer Previously Fired From Cybersecurity Company for Leaking Secrets Edward Coristine, a 19-year-old member of Elon Musk’s DOGE, was fired from his previous job at a cybersecurity company for leaking company secrets, according to a new report from Bloomberg News. Coristine was an intern at Arizona-based Path Network in 2022 when he was fired for allegedly sharing information about the company with a competing company. “Edward has been terminated for leaking internal information to the competitors,” a message from June 2022 about the termination seen by Bloomberg News reads. “This is unacceptable and there is zero tolerance for this.” All of this comes as Musk has floated the idea of hiring back a 25-year-old DOGE worker named Marko Elez who was linked to an X account that posted extremely racist material. Elez resigned on Thursday but Musk and Vice President JD Vance suggested on social media Friday he should be brought back onto the team. This afternoon, Musk tweeted that “He will be brought back.” Reuters published a new article about another DOGE staffer, Gavin Kliger, who was retweeting notorious holocaust denier Nick Fuentes and misogynist Andrew Tate. Both Tate and Fuentes have made Nazi salutes in online videos, something that Musk did twice the day Trump was inaugurated. Perhaps most alarming in all of the digital incursions by DOGE, CNN has reported that 23-year-old Luke Farritor, a former SpaceX intern, was given access to the Department of Energy, an agency that holds highly sensitive information about the nation’s nuclear weapons. The agency’s general counsel and chief information offices objected but were reportedly overruled. Drain the swamp! HA! It's deeper and more festered than ever. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted February 15 #14 Share Posted February 15 46 minutes ago, psyche101 said: Id say it's worse than many realise. DOGE Staffer Previously Fired From Cybersecurity Company for Leaking Secrets Edward Coristine, a 19-year-old member of Elon Musk’s DOGE, was fired from his previous job at a cybersecurity company for leaking company secrets, according to a new report from Bloomberg News. Coristine was an intern at Arizona-based Path Network in 2022 when he was fired for allegedly sharing information about the company with a competing company. “Edward has been terminated for leaking internal information to the competitors,” a message from June 2022 about the termination seen by Bloomberg News reads. “This is unacceptable and there is zero tolerance for this.” All of this comes as Musk has floated the idea of hiring back a 25-year-old DOGE worker named Marko Elez who was linked to an X account that posted extremely racist material. Elez resigned on Thursday but Musk and Vice President JD Vance suggested on social media Friday he should be brought back onto the team. This afternoon, Musk tweeted that “He will be brought back.” Reuters published a new article about another DOGE staffer, Gavin Kliger, who was retweeting notorious holocaust denier Nick Fuentes and misogynist Andrew Tate. Both Tate and Fuentes have made Nazi salutes in online videos, something that Musk did twice the day Trump was inaugurated. Perhaps most alarming in all of the digital incursions by DOGE, CNN has reported that 23-year-old Luke Farritor, a former SpaceX intern, was given access to the Department of Energy, an agency that holds highly sensitive information about the nation’s nuclear weapons. The agency’s general counsel and chief information offices objected but were reportedly overruled. Drain the swamp! HA! It's deeper and more festered than ever. Musk is destoying trust in the Government. His site was hacked. The site looks like the work experince kid created it. The site looks fake. The site says nothing about its mission. It reflects a general lack of transparency. Small Government means no governance to the Elon & Don show. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted February 15 #15 Share Posted February 15 These guys designed their DOGE website with an app, readily available and used by thousands. Its been hacked already. Coincidently, my kid in IT was griping about interviewing IT majors that have graduated recently. His complaint was that these guys tend to build with apps and don't know much about writing their own code. Maybe Elon's boys are more genius in their own minds than in reality. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted February 15 #16 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, Golden Duck said: Musk is destoying trust in the Government. His site was hacked. The site looks like the work experince kid created it. The site looks fake. The site says nothing about its mission. It reflects a general lack of transparency. Small Government means no governance to the Elon & Don show. Hiring inexperienced kids with sht CVs to manage trusted positions of high importance. People I wouldn't hire, that's for sure. America has been had. It's like a bad joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted February 15 #17 Share Posted February 15 4 hours ago, jmccr8 said: HI link The information was stolen from gov't files which means unauthorized use What information? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted February 15 #18 Share Posted February 15 1 minute ago, Link of Hyrule said: What information? HI Link Not sure what your problem in understanding the flow of conversation between us is. We were talking about wiki leaks and that information was stolen as it was not authorized to be released which is not so significantly different than being hacked as it was gotten through unlawful access. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted February 15 #19 Share Posted February 15 (edited) 7 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: HI Link Not sure what your problem in understanding the flow of conversation between us is. We were talking about wiki leaks and that information was stolen as it was not authorized to be released which is not so significantly different than being hacked as it was gotten through unlawful access. But there's nothing classified on the DOGE website (apart from that bit uploaded by the DOGE team, which has nothing to do with the hack and would be there regardless, and which I've already agreed is a problem [a different problem]). How is any of this comparable? Edited February 15 by Link of Hyrule 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted February 15 #20 Share Posted February 15 3 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said: But there's nothing classified on the DOGE website (apart from that bit uploaded by the DOGE team, which has nothing to do with the hack and would be there regardless). How is any of this comparable? HI Link I guess you missed this link Psyche gave then DOGE Staffer Previously Fired From Cybersecurity Company for Leaking Secrets https://gizmodo.com/doge-staffer-previously-fired-from-cybersecurity-company-for-leaking-secrets-2000561131 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted February 15 #21 Share Posted February 15 (edited) 1 minute ago, jmccr8 said: HI Link I guess you missed this link Psyche gave then DOGE Staffer Previously Fired From Cybersecurity Company for Leaking Secrets https://gizmodo.com/doge-staffer-previously-fired-from-cybersecurity-company-for-leaking-secrets-2000561131 Irrelevant to the hacking of a public website that has no classified data on it that wasn't already freely available on the website! Edited February 15 by Link of Hyrule 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted February 15 #22 Share Posted February 15 Burn it down Musk. Man I’m loving every second of this. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted February 15 #23 Share Posted February 15 4 hours ago, preacherman76 said: Burn it down Musk. Man I’m loving every second of this. He probably should show a bit more empathy, but I get the cold logic behind the cuts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted February 15 #24 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, Gromdor said: He probably should show a bit more empathy, but I get the cold logic behind the cuts. No you don’t. And I’m not sure you understand exactly which parasites he is speaking of. Though I do get how that could be taken the wrong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katniss Posted February 15 #25 Share Posted February 15 2 minutes ago, preacherman76 said: No you don’t. And I’m not sure you understand exactly which parasites he is speaking of. Though I do get how that could be taken the wrong way. I'm sure he doesn't mean MAGA people on SSI, SSDI, Medicaid, Medicare, Snap Benefits, right? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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