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good point jessica. About taking this too seriously, I mean.

Did you know, that Napoleon, and Hitler were both considered to be the anti-christ, by the people of their era? Folks were sure that "the end of days" were upon them. We got by that one though, didn't we?

Did you know that in december 1899/ january 1900, there was a large group of people in the US who sold all their possession, gave away all their money, and were awaiting the rapture? Imagine their feelings when they were still here, and had been victims of a religious furor, and the manipulations of a con man? (I'll research the data when I get home and provide further info)

So, all I'm saying is that folks have been crying 'the end is nigh' for a long, long, time. And probably continue to do so for a long, long, timeto come.

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Is that the religious group who sheltered away in a cave for 100 days awaiting the rapture JMPD? or was it another group ... there are an awful lot of them.

Jonestown was possibly the worst example of religious fever over the end of times. sad.gif

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No, they didn't hide out in a cave, but I believe that it may have been in New York state. I have to find the book it was in. It might take awhile, I have over two thousand books in my library, and I'll be jiggered if I can remember the title of the book.

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'Did you know, that Napoleon, and Hitler were both considered to be the anti-christ, by the people of their era? Folks were sure that "the end of days" were upon them. We got by that one though, didn't we?'

A very good point! As you say, people are constantly saying the world will end. I'm sure there are many prophecies that haven't come true, or are not to be taken literally...

I remember, on another board somewhere, someone was making very good comparasons between the beasts that come before 'the' beast, and different time periods. (Iron age, Bronze age... e.t.c)

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There have been a lot of people who were considered the anti-Christ and a lot more people who tried to predict the end of the world. Just because nobody has been right so far doesn't mean that it's not going to happen. Truth is, the bible says that as the end of days get closer, there will be more scoffers, so those of you who scoff that the end of the world isn't going to happen, you're actually fulfilling a bible prophecy! It has been said repeatedly that NO MAN WILL KNOW, NOT EVEN THE ANGELS! So the fact that no man has been able to get it right, also fulfills bible prophecy.

Also, Satan is an angel. People like to give him more credit than he deserves. He's not some all powerful entity or divinity as people say. He doesn't know when the end will be. ONLY GOD KNOWS! So the question about the anti-Christ has two answers, but only one answer is right. 1) Satan has always had the anti-Christ waiting in the wings for the rapture or 2) the anti-Christ doesn't know who he is and won't know until Satan enters him.

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You bring up an interesting point there Saucy:

If God is the only being who knows when the 'end of days' will be, doesn't that imply that it is He who sets the events in motion, as opposed to satan?

How can the 'bad guys' set up their plots, if THEY don't even know when it will be?

So, in effect, it is not satan who begins the 'final war', but god.

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In the final days, the wrath of God will be poured out onto the earth. He will bring plagues and death, but also satan has a part. The anti-Christ will basically rule the world at that time and anyone who doesn't accept him or becomes a Christian...he is against them. But only God knows when the rapture will happen.

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The Anti-Christ, walks this planet in the form of Murderers, rapists, Child molestors.. etc... etc.. Never mind the horned demon from fiction the worst thing that a human has to endure happens in the hands of these cancerous individuals here today.

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You bring up an interesting point there Saucy:

If God is the only being who knows when the 'end of days' will be, doesn't that imply that it is He who sets the events in motion, as opposed to satan?

How can the 'bad guys' set up their plots, if THEY don't even know when it will be?

So, in effect, it is not satan who begins the 'final war', but god.

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Yeah, you are right.

The Rapture happens first. Then, God will take up the Christians. There is a war in heaven. Satan is cast down.

Of course, these things probably won't happen anytime soon. The certain things, in order for this to take place are not here yet.

EDITED// got my words mixed up, and back ass-words. wacko.gif

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So in effect, god throws the first punch?

Interesting.

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Hey JMPD1, I messed up on my post, got the words jumbled.

So in effect, god throws the first punch?

Interesting.

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Well, somewhat I supposed. There will be something evil that will attempt to kill all the Christians on the earth at this time. God will take these people up. Satan gets all p***ed off, and tries to prevent this. So, there is a war in heaven. Satan loses. He is thrown down to the earth. Satan then goes after the people of the church that did not get "caught up" in the Rapture. He then is hell bent on killing these people that did not get caught up, because they belonged to the church.

So, essentially, there will be a "trigger." In a way, Satan causes this trigger. But God actually steps in and makes the first move by initiating the Rapture. Satan is basically stunned that God does this, and is somewhat off-guard. Basically, Satan thinks God is bluffing, but in fact, God is not.

So therefore, God makes the "first punch" by the Rapture. That in turn, will set everything off in a chain of events.

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If the is an antichrist living now and he may not know he is evil-ref previous post-does he know he is the antichrist?

If he did, would he want to do anything about it?  Seriouly, try thinking for a second that somehow you discovered you were the antichrist.  What would you do?  If you accept the fact that the world will unravel in such a way as to bring/force you to power...

Do you try to change a "known" outcome?  Do you beg for guidance and forgiveness from (GOD)?  Do you kill yourself and stop the end of the world.

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How the bible describes antichrist; antichrist scriptures with possible explanations:

Dan.7:24,25 Dan. 9:27 Dan. 7:7, 8,20,23,25 Dan. 2:44 Rev 13:1,2 Dan 8:23, 25 Dan 13:5,7, 11,12 Rev. 17:8 Rev. 17:11,13,14 Dan 11:21, 31, 36, 37, 38 45 2Thessalonians 2:4,8 Dan112:7 Rev 14:11 Rev.15:2 Rev 19:20 Rev20:10

48 Prophecies that the Antichrist will fulfill How will anybody know who the antichrist is? Is there any sure way of knowing? Yes, there is! The Bible gives specific clues as to what this "man of sin" will be like. Here we will take a look at scripture to find out exactly what is predicted for the "son of perdition". The antichrist will be a man - Daniel 7:24-25 He will confirm a covenant for 7 years - Daniel 9:27 Now also, this does not mean that he creates this covenant. The word here for "confirm" is 1396 gabar (gaw-bar'); a primitive root; to be strong; by implication, to prevail, act insolently: KJV-- exceed, confirm, be great, be mighty, prevail, put to more [strength], strengthen, be stronger, be valiant. The antichrist will strengthen a covenant for a 7 year time span. Now this could be an existing covenant (like the Jerusalem Covenant) or a new covenant drawn up at that time. He will rise among 10 kings - Daniel 7:8 This 10 nation union will be a revived Holy Roman Empire - Daniel 2:44 He will uproot 3 kings from the original 10 kings to gain political power - Daniel 7:8 His 10 nation union will merge into a world government which he will dominate - Revelations 13:1-2 Now this also, could refer to several things. First, the 10 nations could merge into an EXISTING world government, such as the U.N. Or it could for a new world government, much like the U.N. Or, this 10 nation confederation could be something like the new 10 nation common stock market. A union like this would definitely rule the world, without having a "seat" of power. Whoever controls the money, controls the globe. He will ascend to power on a platform of peace. By peace, he will destroy many - Daniel 8:25 He will be promoted and exalted by a miracle working religious partner (false prophet) - Revelations 13:11-12 He was, and is not, and yet is - Revelations 17:8 More than likely this is referring to political power. The antichrist will have ruled, but then be taken out of power. Only to rise back up again to power as the head of the One World Government. The world government over which he rules will be a red (communistic or socialistic) government - Revelations 17:14 The antichrist will be preceded by 7 kings or rulers. He will be the 8th king. He will also be "of" the 7 - Revelations 17:11 Now this scripture has many different ways it can be viewed. The word "goeth" in the scripture is 5217 hupago (hoop-ag'-o); from 5259 and 71; to lead (oneself) under, i.e. withdraw or retire (as if sinking out of sight), literally or figuratively: KJV-- depart, get hence, go (a-) way. So we see that he will withdraw or retire from sight. But will rise back up again to power. Now this could be taken as to mean 7 kings. Or this could be taken as 7 World Governments that have ruled. So far there have been 6. 1. Egypt. 2. Assyria. 3. Babylon. 4. Medo-Persia. 5. Greece. 6. Rome He will have a mouth speaking great things. Very boastful - Daniel 7:8 His look will be more stout than his fellows - Daniel 7:20 The word "stout" means 7227 rab (rab); by contracted from 7231; abundant (in quantity, size, age, number, rank, quality): KJV-- (in) abound (-undance, -ant, -antly), captain, elder, enough, exceedingly, full, great (-ly, man, one), increase, long (enough, [time]), (do, have) many (-ifold, things, a time), ([ship-]) master, mighty, more, (too, very) much, multiply (-tude), officer, often [-times], plenteous, populous, prince, process [of time], suffice (-lent). So this can have several meanings. It could mean one of the following: the antichrist will be larger in size than everybody else, will be older than everybody else, will have more of a "following" than anybody else, is a higher military or political rank than anybody else, or is more qualified than anybody else. What ever this verse is speaking about, it is obvious when you look at him. He will have a fierce countenance - Daniel 8:23 He will understand puzzling things - Daniel 8:23 He will cause craft to prosper - Daniel 8:25 It is interesting to note the definition of the word "craft" here. It is 4820 mirmah (meer-maw'); from 7411 in the sense of deceiving; fraud: KJV-- craft, deceit (-ful, -fully), false, feigned, guile, subtilly, treachery. No wonder, for the Bible says that he is the father of lies. So his policy or his success will make it possible for his deception of the world to prosper. God said that if you do not believe the truth, that he would send strong delusion that you should believe a lie. He apparently assumes world dominating power 3 1/2 years after he confirms the covenant. He then will continue to reign for 42 months - Revelations 13:5 The Abomination of Desolation is the event that signals the beginning of this final 42 months - Daniel 9:27 He opposes God - 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will speak marvelous things against the God of gods - Daniel 11:36 He will exalt himself above all that is called God - 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will sit in the temple of God - 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will claim to be God (or an incarnation of God) - 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will take away the daily sacrifices from the temple - Daniel 11:31 He will plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain - Daniel 11:45 It would seem here that the Antichrist will setup small "fortifications" in between the sea and Jerusalem, to help keep control over things in distant areas away from the main offices. He will have power to make war with the saints and to overcome them - Revelations 13:7 He will continue this war with the saints for 3 1/2 years - Daniel 7:21, 25 This time of Great Tribulation is launched upon the Earth by the antichrist at the Abomination of Desolation. - Matthew 24:15,21. Up until this time, it would seem that he is a man of peace and not war. But now he shows his true colors. Perhaps is possessed by Satan himself at this point as well. Which would account for the false front being dropped at this time. During this time, the antichrist will scatter the power of the holy people - Daniel 12:7 He will rule a mighty and strong kingdom - Daniel 7:7 He was given power over all kindreds, tongues and nations - Revelations 13:7 His kingdom will devour the whole earth - Daniel 7:23 He will have great military power that will stand behind him, to enforce his laws - Daniel 11:31 He will try to change times and laws; and they will be given into his power for 3 1/2 years - Daniel 7:25 He will give great honor to the God of forces, with gold, silver, jewels, etc - Daniel 11:38 He will prosper in everything that he does - Daniel 8:24 He will not regard the God of his fathers - Daniel 11:37 He will not regard the desire of women - Daniel 11:37 It is interesting to note here that most people think that he will be a homosexual, which could be. The mark of the beast will be the amount of his name - Revelations 14:11 All that dwell upon the Earth will worship him, except those who's names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life - Revelations 15:2 He will have an image made after him - Revelations 15:2 This could also be in reference to his kingdom's logo or insignia. Much like the U.N. has a logo that every soldier on a U.N. mission must wear, there might also be a logo or insignia that his armies would have to wear His coming will be after the workings of Satan - 2 Thessalonians 2:8 He will fight against Jesus Christ at Armageddon (and loose I might add!) - Revelations 17:14 He will stand against the Prince of princes - Daniel 8:25 The Lord will consume him with the spirit of his mouth (which is the Word of God) - 2 Thessalonians 2:8 The Lord will destroy him with the brightness of his coming (which is his glory) - 2 Thessalonians 2:8 He will be cast alive into the lake of fire - Revelations 19:20 He will be tormented day and night for ever and ever - Revelations 20:10

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No, the "Antichrist" isn't aware that "he", or they are the "Antichrist" because they actually call themselves "Christian". It's the ultimate irony. Just read your book, the buy-bull and read Revelation starting at chapt. 17.

I'd like for someone to show me exactly where the buy-bull says anything about this man who is the "Antichrist" and describes all these christian beliefs concerning any such man? I think you'll find this to be yet another negative result of "Revealed" religions. The evolution of the religion has resulted in the religion drifting far from the origin.

So anyway, No...the "Antichrist" which is the "Christian" church is not aware that it is the "Antichrist" because they refuse to reason and study due to centuries of preachers teaching them not to question "Men of God" and not to listen to their brains. sad.gif

Peace & Enlightenment to all.

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No, the "Antichrist" isn't aware that "he", or they are the "Antichrist" because they actually call themselves "Christian". It's the ultimate irony. Just read your book, the buy-bull and read Revelation starting at chapt. 17.

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I dunno about him being "Christian." Thats rather pushing it. If he were a "Christian" he would have been caught up in the Rapture, before the anti-christ came to power.

I'd like for someone to show me exactly where the buy-bull says anything about this man who is the "Antichrist"

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The Bible does not tell us in great detail who this man will be. It does say, however, it will be a great leader of some kind. It will be the leader of the one world government. That is pretty much all it says as to who he is.

and describes all these christian beliefs concerning any such man?

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The anti-christ will be Satan incarnate. The man prior to Satan killing him, and resurrecting him, will more than likely be a man of great evil and power. This man will be a very evil man. He will welcome Satan, and eventually become him. This mans only love is power. Thats one reason why he allows this.

I think you'll find this to be yet another negative result of "Revealed" religions. The evolution of the religion has resulted in the religion drifting far from the origin.

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This is an opinion. Considering you don't know what the "origin" was to begin with. It could very well be what you have sitting on your shelf collecting dust. (the Bible)

So anyway, No...the "Antichrist" which is the "Christian" church is not aware that it is the "Antichrist" because they refuse to reason and study due to centuries of preachers teaching them not to question "Men of God" and not to listen to their brains. sad.gif

Peace & Enlightenment to all.

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The "Christian Church" is not the anti-christ. This "Christian Church" you talk about is the "Laodicean Church," however, it is not Satanic. This church of Laodicea will around when anit-christ comes. This church will fornicate with idols, and money and polictians. This church will eventually be destroyed. Satan will have his own church in the times of anti-christ, and people will worship the beast. Satan will have an "anti-church." The people of this "Laodicean Church" will not be completely caught up in the Rapture, however many of the people do. This church will later go on a short time after the Rapture. After that it will be destroyed, and Satans church will be in full swing.

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No, the "Antichrist" isn't aware that "he", or they are the "Antichrist" because they actually call themselves "Christian". It's the ultimate irony. Just read your book, the buy-bull and read Revelation starting at chapt. 17.

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LOL

I would like to know when this is sposed to happen... And where does it say this? In revelation... um, no... I don't think so...

Oh I am sorry, I smell something... It smells like a bull took a big shi... oh excuse me... tongue.gif j/j

LBD

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Jesus will return when 100% of the world has at least heard of Jesus. The anti-christ doesn't know yet, unless he has been a Jesus hater for his life. Of course, God knows...

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No, the "Antichrist" isn't aware that "he", or they are the "Antichrist" because they actually call themselves "Christian". It's the ultimate irony. Just read your book, the buy-bull and read Revelation starting at chapt. 17.

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LOL

I would like to know when this is sposed to happen... And where does it say this? In revelation... um, no... I don't think so...

Oh I am sorry, I smell something... It smells like a bull took a big shi... oh excuse me... tongue.gif j/j

LBD

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simple...if there is a such thing as "Antichrist" and "Jesus" is "Christ"...and the Christian Buy-bull is prophetic, then Revelation...starting in Chapter 17 would be pointing to 2 Beasts... and those two beasts would be the Catholic church and the Protestant Church...at least, they're the only beasts that meet the descriptions.

PS...it smells even worse from outside the church. yes.gif

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simple...if there is a such thing as "Antichrist" and "Jesus" is "Christ"...and the Christian Buy-bull is prophetic, then Revelation...starting in Chapter 17 would be pointing to 2 Beasts... and those two beasts would be the Catholic church and the Protestant Church...at least, they're the only beasts that meet the descriptions.

PS...it smells even worse from outside the church.  yes.gif

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really? ok, tell me why you think that.

by the way, a "beast" is not considered a church. rofl.gif

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Christians alike want the end of the world to come
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why oh why would anybody want the world to end? it is beyond me!

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Its not the end of the world, just the end of this sytem of things, when Jesus takes control of the world after armagedon.

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No, the "Antichrist" isn't aware that "he", or they are the "Antichrist" because they actually call themselves "Christian". It's the ultimate irony. Just read your book, the buy-bull and read Revelation starting at chapt. 17.

I'd like for someone to show me exactly where the buy-bull says anything about this man who is the "Antichrist" and describes all these christian beliefs concerning any such man? I think you'll find this to be yet another negative result of "Revealed" religions. The evolution of the religion has resulted in the religion drifting far from the origin.

So anyway, No...the "Antichrist" which is the "Christian" church is not aware that it is the "Antichrist" because they refuse to reason and study due to centuries of preachers teaching them not to question "Men of God" and not to listen to their brains. sad.gif

Peace & Enlightenment to all.

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I realy do think you should go back to reading the bible, who was it that tested jesus as he fasted, offering him the power over all the kindoms, was it not satan!! this is not a religeous group but an individual, he was offering what was and is his !!!

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I realy do think you should go back to reading the bible

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i couldn't agree with you more.

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I realy do think you should go back to reading the bible

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i couldn't agree with you more.

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Lets talk about the false prophet who is forerunner of the antichirst sleepy.gif

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Lets talk about the false prophet who is forerunner of the antichirst sleepy.gif

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not sure what you are implying here.

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