Blair secures historic third term

[warden]

I will go one further,

We have more doctors and nurses leaving this country to work abroad than we have comming in,the reason is TARGETS and burocrasey,

Police chiefs have asked the home secetary to let them get on with policing the streets ,what did they get in response,,,,more time to sit behind a desk filling in forms..........more targets and burocrasey

Unemployment stands at 1 million....realy what about the hundreds of thousands of 16 to 18 year olds who dont get any benefit ,they also dont get mentioned in the figures and the 2 and a half million that are on incapasety benefit that would make the unemployment figures just under 4 million

need i go on ,but no doubt that will be the tories fault

[Richdog]

Labour - Grossly negligent, have run healthcare and education into the ground. Led by a charismatic man who for all his faults does actually command my respect, and is a strong leader. Shouldn't have gone to war, it was purely political and he used hysteria and too promote it and convince us it was a good thing, when he knew Saddam had no WMD's. Sudan would have been a far better start, as would countless other countries in more desperate situations than Iraq was in, which is now worse than it started out almost. Same with Afghanistan.

Tories - Absolute no-hopers, continually led by buffoons with all the charisma of a piece of broccolli. I could never imagine them holding power. Have unrealistic goals that they would not be able to deliver on if they were in term, even more so than labour. I like their stance on crime though - no tolerance.

Lib Dems - The "nice" party. In my opinion they won't be a real force yet for the next few terms, though they are making great inroads in terms of popularity and seats. Led by a man who is actually a likeable, decent bloke. Also haven't really got their goals straight. One for the future, but yet to mature.

So, there's really no 'good' option, you just have to make the best of what you've got. I voted Lib Dems to take away the majority of conservatives in our area, and take seats from labour.

[warden]

Labour - Grossly negligent, have run healthcare and education into the ground.  Led by a charismatic man who for all his faults does actually command my respect, and is a strong leader.  Shouldn't have gone to war, it was purely political and he used hysteria and too promote it and convince us it was a good thing, when he knew Saddam had no WMD's.  Sudan would have been a far better start, as would countless other countries in more desperate situations than Iraq was in, which is now worse than it started out almost.  Same with Afghanistan.

Tories - Absolute no-hopers, continually led by buffoons with all the charisma of a piece of broccolli.  I could never imagine them holding power.  Have unrealistic goals that they would not be able to deliver on if they were in term, even more so than labour.  I like their stance on crime though - no tolerance.

Lib Dems - The "nice" party.  In my opinion they won't be a real force yet for the next few terms, though they are making great inroads in terms of popularity and seats.  Led by a man who is actually a likeable, decent bloke.  Also haven't really got their goals straight.  One for the future, but yet to mature.

So, there's really no 'good' option, you just have to make the best of what you've got.  I voted Lib Dems to take away the majority of conservatives in our area, and take seats from labour.

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So we have a man in power of our country who has run education and the NHS in to the ground,he took us into a false war with lies and deceit getting our own soldiers killed in the proses(still without an apoligy)has not a single clue about what is going on in our streets with crime,drugs and drink,our justice system is a joke and laughting stock of Europe,takes back deceitfull MPs in to the cabinet(ones again that cant say the simple word SORRY)Cleanes out the pension pot and has the cheek to ask us to fill it back up for him,has a wife that takes 100.000 pounds from a cancer charity to fund a 3 and a half million house and not an eye brow raised,a man that cant give us a refarendum on Europe untill he thinks he has a hope of winning it(never)

You some times wonder if people voted for him as you say there is not really a party out there with any thing that grabs the imagination,saying that blair has some imagination

[bathory]

The NHS is that efficient that waiting lists are longer, you have to book a week in advance to see a Doctor, hopital hygene is out of control, the rate of infection has increased. Shortage of professional nurses.

yeah but its free

welcome to public healthcare hehe

[Guest Lottie]

Labour - Grossly negligent, have run healthcare and education into the ground.

Labour- Who have put something like 60 billion pounds into the NHS service.

Remember that it isn't the actual goverment who runs and organises the NHS but the management groups within the NHS. If there has been a problem with the NHS these are the people to blame. It doesn't help when all this money is pushed into the NHS and the big wig consultants etc decide to have a massive payrise out of it. Again this is to do with management sytsems and not the 'Labour' Party.

[Commander CMG]

Oh another get out... they can invest 60 Mill but then don't monitor the spending.. Blair has just won teh election and now his own people want him to stand down.

[warden]

Labour - Grossly negligent, have run healthcare and education into the ground.

Labour- Who have put something like 60 billion pounds into the NHS service.

Remember that it isn't the actual goverment who runs and organises the NHS but the management groups within the NHS. If there has been a problem with the NHS these are the people to blame. It doesn't help when all this money is pushed into the NHS and the big wig consultants etc decide to have a massive payrise out of it. Again this is to do with management sytsems and not the 'Labour' Party.

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Realy Lottie so why is it that blair has come to power he has employed 110.000pen pushers in the NHS and all of them will be on 30 grand to 125 grand a year,you add that up over the last 8 years and tell me the figure you come up with,what are these peoples jobs.........meeting targets

[Guest Lottie]

Oh another get out... they can invest 60 Mill but then don't monitor the spending.. Blair has just won teh election and now his own people want him to stand down.

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XSAS

If you had read my post correctly I said something like 60 Billion. I make it clearer for you...its not Labour who run the NHS but the agencies within the NHS, its down to these agencies how they use the money.

Edited May 8, 2005 by Lottie

[warden]

Oh another get out... they can invest 60 Mill but then don't monitor the spending.. Blair has just won teh election and now his own people want him to stand down.

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XSAS

If you had read my post correctly I said something like 60 Billion. I make it clearer for you...its not Labour who run the NHS but the agencies within the NHS, its down to these agencies how they use the money.

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so Gordon Brown has nothing to do with how mutch the NHS gets from the treasury

[Commander CMG]

Oh another get out... they can invest 60 Mill but then don't monitor the spending.. Blair has just won teh election and now his own people want him to stand down.

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XSAS

If you had read my post correctly I said something like 60 Billion. I make it clearer for you...its not Labour who run the NHS but the agencies within the NHS, its down to these agencies how they use the money.

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So what you are telling me is, Labour have given over 60 Billlion investments into the NHS and once they have comitted the money they have no control on how it is spane by the agencies within the NHS, sounds like gross negligence of taxpayers money and how can they promise NHS improvements when they have no control on spending??

So not only now do we blame the Toriees for the mewss they lkeft behind we now blame agencies within the NHS but not Labour.

[wunarmdscissor]

are you two seriously trying to tell me that the NHS was in better shape under the tories.

lol

[warden]

are you two seriously trying to tell me that the NHS was in better shape under the tories.

lol

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Wun we are talking about know not years ago....its like me saying dont you think the NHS is in better shape compared to when we discovered the wheel

The point we are disgussing is lottie`s point about the labour party and blair having nothing to do with our money once they have given it to agencys that run the NHS......what a load of sh-t

What agencys? and if thats the caes why did blair hire 110.000 pen pushers in the NHS ? to do what ? to report back to him saying sorry boss we cant tell you a jot as we and you have nothing to do with the NHS if that was the case that would mean the 110.000 jobs he created could only mean he is guarenteed another 110.000 votes last week

[wunarmdscissor]

well im saying that standards in the NHS are considerably better than they were under the tories.

Im saying that interest rates are condsiderably better thatn they were under the tories.

IM saying unemployment is considerably lower than they were under the tories.

Im saying education is considerably better than it was under the toris.

Im saying that the public services and welfare state is considerably better than under the tories.

IM saying my personal life is better than it was under the tories.

What more do u want ?

Britain is a stronger and more prosperous country than it was under the tories, just not for the mob who used to consistently get richer whilst the poor got poorer under the tories.

[warden]

I dont want to burst your bubble but what the heck,

The last study that was done by an indipendant organiseation to see how the ritch and poor divide has closed since labour has come to power found that the poor have become poorer and the ritch has stayed about the same,the only people that has become better of is the middle earners 27% of the populus,you may your self have become better of Wun but a lot of very poor people have not and it is only when we get an indipendant study we find this out,not one that has been set up by the government

The NHS i hope has become better after all if it hasnt my money like the rest of us has been wasted ,MRSA is still a big problem ,but that can be sorted,pity our trained doctors and nurses are leaving this country quicker than we have trained ones comming in

I know that inflation is nice and low,how low would it be if Blair let Europe dictate it for us?

What happend to smaller class sizes?

[wunarmdscissor]

MRSA would probably have happened during any administration, there are many mistakes that the tories made in the past that no doubt labour wouldve made also.

Well all the studies i have read state that although the poverty gap isnt decreasing it is staying constant , which under tories was drastically widening.

You have to level these things out before you can sort them and it takes years.

Labour have had 8 years to repair the damage of 18 years of tory rule.

It takes more time to repair something than to destroy it.

[wunarmdscissor]

and By tghe way warden , im working class my family are working class, we live in area that approaches middle class, however i live a stones throw away from one of the poorest areas in glasgow. which by default make sthat one of the poorest in the UK.

The everyday lives of people in that are are dramatically better of, the public services and buildings are drastically imporved, the employement levels are drastically improved.

That is endemic of most Urban areas in glasgow.

Whilst im not as naive to declare there is no absolute pverty , like i said it takes a long time to repair 18 years of disaster.

[warden]

MRSA would probably have happened during any administration, there are many mistakes that the tories made in the past  that no doubt labour wouldve made also.

Well all the studies i have read state that although the poverty gap isnt decreasing it is staying constant , which under tories was drastically widening.

You have to level these things out before you can sort them and it takes years.

Labour have had 8 years to repair the damage of 18 years of tory rule.

It takes more time to repair something than to destroy it.

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So are you willing to give labour 18 yrs to undo the tories 18 yrs they were in power,

Blair said after getting elected that he would have the country on track

Blair then said after getting elected a second time he would have the country on track

Know he has been elected for a third term are you willing to listen to his sh-t and wait for a fourth term to hear the same crap....do me a bloody fav

[wunarmdscissor]

He is getting the country on -track.

we have the fourth strongest economy on earth. everything follows on from an strong economy.

Remember black wednesday?????? , would this have had anything to do with labour's leadership of the country?

god no , heaven frobid you to credit labour with any good.

[Scar]

Out of curiosity XSAS and Warden,

Who would you want in power instead of Labour and why ?

It seems you are quite probably not unlike the infamous Torie Boy from the rather funny Harry Enfield and Chums series.

F.Y.I, I voted SNP as I am Sick and tired of Westminster telling my country what todo with Our money. There's only 5million of us we'd be quite happy on or own.

I agree labour have made some promises they haven't kept, but its still better than the Conservatives gaining power again. IMO its the lesser of two evils.

Try not to come across Pro tory, unless thats what you are

Ps. Its Spelt Richer not Ritcher

[Commander CMG]

Our school would close down if we did not have anactive charity raising program and we have classes in excess of 30 Children, we have teaching asistants being pushed onto courses to teach children rather than invest into real teachers...

[warden]

Out of curiosity XSAS and Warden,

Who would you want in power instead of Labour and why ?

It seems you are quite probably not unlike the infamous Torie Boy from the rather funny Harry Enfield and Chums series.

F.Y.I, I voted SNP as I am Sick and tired of Westminster telling my country what todo with Our money. There's only 5million of us we'd be quite happy on or own.

I agree labour have made some promises they haven't kept, but its still better than the Conservatives gaining power again. IMO its the lesser of two evils.

Try not to come across Pro tory, unless thats what you are 

Ps. Its Spelt Richer not Ritcher

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Make up a thread on your question and we will tell you who and why

[Commander CMG]

ME, I am going to stand against the gutless politicians.

[warden]

and By tghe way warden , im working class my family are working class, we live in area that approaches middle class, however i live a stones throw away from one of the poorest areas in glasgow. which by default make sthat one of the poorest in the UK.

The everyday lives of people in that are are dramatically better of, the public services and buildings are drastically imporved, the employement levels are drastically improved.

That is endemic of most Urban areas in glasgow.

Whilst im not as naive to declare there is no absolute pverty , like i said it takes a long time to repair 18 years of disaster.

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Have you been to that area and talked to the people or do you just stay next door to it ,a big difference

You say again and again it will take a long time to undo 18 yrs of the tories,answer this very slowly Wun....was it not Blair that said just before the election of his first term(vote labour and i promise after one term we will have the UK where it should be)

Then he said just before the election of his second term(all we need is a second term to prove once and for all that labour will never LOOK BACK only forward)

and you are telling us that he still needs a third term or more to get out of the mess the tories have put us in

Who is the liar YOU or BLAIR.........saying that we know Blair has lied before (i wonder who that leaves)

[warden]

I read today that Gordons Browns bubble is ready to burst

Britons know owe a staggering 1 trillion in debts......morgages etc

Jobless know at 1.43 million and riseing

House repossessions at 25.900 thousand in the first three months of this year alone the highest since1995

In the first three months of this year 13.229 thousand declared them selfs insolventthe highest figures since 1960

Five interest rate rises since Nov 2003

Rocketing councill tax and insurence hikes,

Utility bills riseing due to oil prices

And more bad news...Inflation at its highest level since May 1998

And more bad news...councill tax re-banding will push upbills for millions

Unemployment will rise by another half a million by 2008

Profits are being squeezed as buisnesses are forced to pour more cash into their pension schemes partly to make up the 5 Billion a year chancellor has plundered every year from 1997

With the UK economy growing less rapidly than forcasted he will rake in less thanexpected so he will not have the cash to pump in to the things Blair promised toget realected

And if the housing market crashes well work that one put for your selfs

Bet you wernt told of this before you voted fora liar

[Scar]

I read today that Gordons Browns  bubble is ready to burst

Britons know owe a staggering 1 trillion in debts......morgages etc

Jobless know at 1.43 million and riseing

House repossessions at 25.900 thousand in the first three months of this year alone the highest since1995

In the first three months of this year 13.229 thousand declared them selfs insolventthe highest figures since 1960

Five interest rate rises since Nov 2003

Rocketing councill tax and insurence hikes,

Utility bills riseing due to oil prices

And more bad news...Inflation at its highest level since May 1998

And more bad news...councill tax re-banding will push upbills for millions

Unemployment will rise by another half a million by 2008

Profits are being squeezed as buisnesses are forced to pour more cash into their pension schemes partly to make up the 5 Billion a year chancellor has plundered every year from 1997

With the UK economy growing less rapidly than forcasted he will rake in less thanexpected so he will not have the cash to pump in to the things Blair promised toget realected

And if the housing market crashes well work that one put for your selfs

Bet you wernt told of this before you voted fora liar

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Funny how that those figure surface at this time,

Consumer Spending is also at its lowest in 10 years although Im not econimist (or spell the word) but I have a bad feeling about the next few weeks.

Im personaly looking forward to the crash of the housing market so I can actually buy my first place that has more than 1 bedroom in the City Centre

Although Utility bills riseing due to oil prices is not true.I work in that Industry and have for many years the problem lies with increased cost in obtaining natural gas although gas prices are strongly linked to oil prices by default. The increase is felt because its more expensive to produce gas and rather than have gas customers get a pasting, in view of utility bills we tend to spread the cost across all customer types and blame and increase in cost on production levels.

Although we'll never admit it