Scar Posted May 24, 2005 #51 Share Posted May 24, 2005 What don't you understand about what I stated? I said I had a different opinion from warden, and that sometimes delcaring that you are an ethnic minority helps to get employment as some companies/organisations have to reach their quota and seem ethnicly friendly. This could help me, that is what I was saying... 637586[/snapback] So you think its okay that people are being Offered a job based on your ethnic backrground ? You would rather that than say your own Merits ? Dont get me wrong it was a good idea turned wrong, much like Affirmitive Action in the USA. I know a String of people in HR departments across Britian, the Majoirty of them in large bluechips. If they are "under quota" they will more than likely hire the person from an ethnic background providing the meet the very minimum requirements regardless if a non-ethnic surpass's in all area's including the interview. I can't believe people prefer handouts these days or easy options, What satisfaction in there in that ? P.s. Dont get me wrong I hate racists there scum of the earth, Also a further point this kind of "quota requirement" will Increase bad feeling between the races and it will start to work against you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Ed Posted May 25, 2005 #52 Share Posted May 25, 2005 No scar I almost certainly do not think that. When I seek employment I want the job because of my merits and my qualifications, not because of my racial status. What I am saying, and being misunderstood twice, is that I do not mind if there are two candidates with exactly the same qualifications and both suited to the job, and I would have an increased chance of getting it because a quota has to be filled. That is what I do not mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Ed Posted May 25, 2005 #53 Share Posted May 25, 2005 I hope you aren't writing a long response attacking me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted May 25, 2005 Author #54 Share Posted May 25, 2005 I am waiting for the day when we have a major attack in this country,and thr Gov find out it was done by an illegal imigrant that walked straight in to this country with out a care in the world,or one of these ranting clerics that the Gov are to scared to bang up for inciting hatred and violence(some thing i would be in jail for). You will find the tone of peoples voices and opinions change for the worst,and it will all be the govs own doing. Just like what happend after9/11.,Bali ,Madrid many muslims were stoped and searched becauseof panic being spread by the media,it will be 10 times worse if an attack hapens,what then ?thousands of muslims will take to the street in protest and anger and the media again will pray on peoples fear which will bring the divide even greater (some thing we are trying to bring together) Remember this,i have not had any thing to do with this ,you have not had any thing to do with this ,this is all the doing of the Gov and you have to ask your self WHY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Ed Posted May 25, 2005 #55 Share Posted May 25, 2005 I agree with you in thinking that there will probably be an attack a terroist in the UK, however I think it is more likely to be done by a citizen or a legal immigrant. I would have thought it would have been easier to do so then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted May 25, 2005 Author #56 Share Posted May 25, 2005 I agree with you in thinking that there will probably be an attack a terroist in the UK, however I think it is more likely to be done by a citizen or a legal immigrant. I would have thought it would have been easier to do so then. 639405[/snapback] You could be right Me ED but you have to remember there are an estimated 975.000 imigrants and 500.000 illegals already in britain,any one of them who is brain washed by one of these mad clerics,or one who has had one of their family killed by a soldier in the name of war could start the ball rolling Thats why Blair (since he has another 5 years in power) must take a tougher stance on illegal`s entering our country and and stop pandering to ethnic minorities who are british citizens and treat us all the same It is he and his Gov that are causing tensions between different cultures and religions,not the everage joe,we all see what is hapening around us and it will take a disaster of some sorts to make the divide bigger,and the day that hapens will bw the worst day in british history,some thing that has taken years to hapen will be torn apart in mins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Ed Posted May 25, 2005 #57 Share Posted May 25, 2005 I think the worst day in British history has passed. Talking of Blair and different cultures, we have increased aid given to Africa by 100% They do quite a few things right, as well what you say they do badly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted May 25, 2005 Author #58 Share Posted May 25, 2005 I think the worst day in British history has passed. Talking of Blair and different cultures, we have increased aid given to Africa by 100% They do quite a few things right, as well what you say they do badly... 639470[/snapback] Some thing Brown should get a huge pat on the back for,hears hoping the people in these countries get the aid that need it ,not the men in suits bank balances getting fatter I hope you werent refering to the worst day in british history.....the tories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Ed Posted May 25, 2005 #59 Share Posted May 25, 2005 Well I was going to say Ian Duncan Smith resigning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted May 25, 2005 Author #60 Share Posted May 25, 2005 Well I was going to say Ian Duncan Smith resigning... 639480[/snapback] You cheeky so in so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scar Posted May 25, 2005 #61 Share Posted May 25, 2005 Mr Ed, It doesn't work like that . As I said good idea gone wrong. If you have ever went through the recruitment process from the other side, you being the employer you never have dead even candidates. I understand that you wouldn't mind it, but what about the person who never got the job because the colour of their skin Hang on Isn't that Racist, no wait he's white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted May 26, 2005 Author #62 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Mr Ed, It doesn't work like that . As I said good idea gone wrong. If you have ever went through the recruitment process from the other side, you being the employer you never have dead even candidates. I understand that you wouldn't mind it, but what about the person who never got the job because the colour of their skin Hang on Isn't that Racist, no wait he's white 639617[/snapback] Exactly i have been saying the same for years and have been cried all sorts of names,ones i wont repeat on UM,no one buted an eye lid when it was directed at me ,turn it around a full 360 and i would have had to dig a hole and hid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girty1600 Posted May 26, 2005 #63 Share Posted May 26, 2005 What don't you understand about what I stated? I said I had a different opinion from warden, and that sometimes delcaring that you are an ethnic minority helps to get employment as some companies/organisations have to reach their quota and seem ethnicly friendly. This could help me, that is what I was saying... 637586[/snapback] So you think its okay that people are being Offered a job based on your ethnic backrground ? You would rather that than say your own Merits ? Dont get me wrong it was a good idea turned wrong, much like Affirmitive Action in the USA. I know a String of people in HR departments across Britian, the Majoirty of them in large bluechips. If they are "under quota" they will more than likely hire the person from an ethnic background providing the meet the very minimum requirements regardless if a non-ethnic surpass's in all area's including the interview. I can't believe people prefer handouts these days or easy options, What satisfaction in there in that ? P.s. Dont get me wrong I hate racists there scum of the earth, Also a further point this kind of "quota requirement" will Increase bad feeling between the races and it will start to work against you 638048[/snapback] So sad yet so true. We have the same problem in the states to the point of malice. Minorities are given jobs that 10 majorities are more qualified for and its just causing more problems between the races here because companies will be fined for noncompliance. Many companies have switched their application practices as to not include racial background but that does not change the fact at the end of the day when the quota has to be filled. I am lucky I have a good job but I know many people who don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Ed Posted May 26, 2005 #64 Share Posted May 26, 2005 I was wondering if the problem would actually drop. In the UK, even if you don't like the rate it is going at, the number of asylum seekers will probably drop, due to pressure to impose a smaller limit. Since many asylum seekers who now live here have children who enter the education system, surely there will be a growth, even a small one, in well educated people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted May 26, 2005 Author #65 Share Posted May 26, 2005 I was wondering if the problem would actually drop. In the UK, even if you don't like the rate it is going at, the number of asylum seekers will probably drop, due to pressure to impose a smaller limit. Since many asylum seekers who now live here have children who enter the education system, surely there will be a growth, even a small one, in well educated people? 641433[/snapback] Your second point i do think will hapen,it has to Your first point what pressure to impose a smaller limit Charles Clark has already said (and this before the election)We cant put any limits on the amount of imigrants wanting to come to this country to work,CANT OR WONT? We are open to all,we have a policy that will work,unlike the torie policy that is unworkable and down right bordering on being racist We will watch labour and Clark change their policys and views soon,as the figures forcasted from the home Office of imigrants comming from Eastern Europe last year should have fallen to 13.000,instead it rose by 400% from the year before and shows no chance of falling in the near future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Ed Posted May 26, 2005 #66 Share Posted May 26, 2005 'We are open to all,we have a policy that will work,unlike the torie policy that is unworkable and down right bordering on being racist' I thought you were a tory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted May 26, 2005 Author #67 Share Posted May 26, 2005 before i go to work ,i read today that an asylum seeker Janet Lahia from Africa was sent to jail for conning the benefite agency,she rented out a flat she bought on the cheap She had 41.000 pounds savings,and was paid 40.000 pounds a year by twocouncils as a carer. She arrived hear in 1993 and claimed benefits ,she was granted asylum ,drew income support and housing benefit claiming to be unemployed. She had her own company while working as a carer She persuaded officials to give her a flat in Manchester which she let out to students ,then she was given a second house which she bought for 72.000 pounds. Investigators found credit card slips from HARRODS paid for out of state handouts Wait for it...............she was jailes for a year ...................................................................................................................... Better idea,take back every thing in her bank account,all of her assets,the maximum jail sentance allowed then ship her back to africa COME TO BRITAIN THE DOOR IS OPEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Ed Posted May 26, 2005 #68 Share Posted May 26, 2005 (edited) More benefit frauds are committed by people who are born in Britain. Right? Edited May 26, 2005 by Mr Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted May 27, 2005 Author #69 Share Posted May 27, 2005 'We are open to all,we have a policy that will work,unlike the torie policy that is unworkable and down right bordering on being racist' I thought you were a tory? 641626[/snapback] You got that right about being OPEN to all ,does that include spongers and terrorists,and before you go on about being a torie and what the tories did many mooms ago just answer the post Imigration departments have been told not to stop an imigrant (legal or illegal) from walking out the offices when they are having their papers checked to see if they qualify to be hear,so why should they bother even going to the offices in the first place Bordering on being racist does not make you one Blair ,the way he and his party are going are not bordering on being racist,they are being racist to the average joe on the street ,how long will they take it? I thought you were an alien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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