The "tall white" aliens near Indian Springs, NV

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

your signiture makes sense :"Ignorance is ignorance. It is a state of mind, not an opinion."

(is all i have to say to you and your type )

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Edited February 18, 2009 by Lady_Anvilabeel

[UtahRaptor]

FWIW I think that you're probably right, in the supposition that there are tonnes of beings out there.

That they're older and more advanced then us.

The rest, the specifics... I sadly remain to be convinced.

OK very well.... I'll explain how that works. This is my second attempt at it. I am exteremly tired right now. The first attempt just went all goofy. The deterioration of my mental state was APPARENT.

OK you've got the big bang. BAM!!! A while after that some stars form. A few of those stars are of the best type. They are strong, very stable, and have a HUGE life span. OK Life springs up and evolves to the point of having hyper spiritually aware scentient species.

Quite a bit of time goes by and some more stars develope. These stars are also very strong, very stable and have fantastic life spane. BAM! More life! Some grow past the war develpment stage of cililization and also becoe hyper spiritually aware. Thus, they become scentient species.

Now lets have a few billion more year pass by and some stars die. Some of these die in briliant explosions but after a while re-coalles and become second generation stars. BAM!! Here is life again! on a planet that is 4.5 billion years old. Some dominant species develope but are not hyper spiritually aware yet and may not become so. They may drive themselves into extintion while others get past the was development stage. Humans are still in that war development stage of cililization. They are practically an endangered specie because of their own actions of destuction lust. Now other species go on and become spiritually aware and begin their walk towards becoming scentient species on ther planets.

Now lets say that there are 3rd generation stars. The previous 2 generations have lived fast and died young. But now there is a stable long living star here to take it's place. Life developes, evolves and flourishes. But since this star in olny about 4 billion years old the dominant specie on the planet has just evolved into the humanoid form or maybe 1 million years past that point. These races are primitive to our standards but none the less are bipedal and evolving fast.

Here is another 3rd generation star. This one has been around for lets just say 4 billion years again. Life has developed on a habitable planet and has had some cosiderable time to evolve. The dominant specie has not come into being yet but the evolutionary chain has begun to open the doors for its arrival in another 300 million years.

Here is another 3rd generation star. This one has a planet that is only 3 billion years old. Life has evolved on a planet. The planet has atmosphere and all kinds of single cell and some multicellular critters running around.

I could go into much more detail. But I'm way too tired for that. Plus I tried to stay away from astrophysics, cosmology, astrobiology, palaeontology, climatology, and geology as much as possible. But this is how nature works. This is the way life works. Not only on a biological scale but on a planetary, stellar, and universal scale. "Universal" meaning the universe, not as a common and wide spread system. This is the way scentient species evolve. This is how we can have advanced scentient species of people, isolated under evolved species like humans, and what humans consider to be primitve species of people. It all has to do with stellar age, stellar development, time of stellar development, stellar stability, and types of stars. Once you start thinking on these lines it becomes apparent that life can be and IS everywhere at different stages of development, from fantasically ancient to very new and primitive. Humans are still a bit on the primitive side of things. Like it or not, that just how it is. There are stars that are 14 billion years old and life has developed there and has been there the whole time. But there are stars that are just getting started or have not even coellesed yet and thus have not bread a solar system nor life yet. Sol happen to be still in it's first third of to half of life. It has about another 3-5 billion years of main phase left to it. Then it will go down one of a few paths. Humans are pretty sure it will go down the red giant route. This gives the human quite a bit of time to try and get past the war developmental civilization phase. Humans have already tried and failed 4 or 5 times now. If I'm correct the humans are now in the 5th generation. The reset switch has been hit before at it'll happen again. That is unless the humans have a super massive conciousness shift that breaks that cycle.

The humans have failed before:

http://www.lagranepoca.com/pics/2007/04/05...tillo-texas.jpg

this hammer is either 120 thousand years old or 150 thousand years old. I can't remember, sorry.

The humans have tried and failed before. Will the humans fail again?

[Ra_Sun-God]

our boys? spoken like a true army brat . as if our boys are never at fault ,give me a brake

your oviously bias ? as if our boys never make mistakes, s doesnt stink ,so on so forth

i posted elsewhere who did the actual killing. yet the talls will put any one in their place ,they have their reasons . (and i dont blame them)

Eh, let's just imagine that if the Tall Whites (if they do exist) have a base on somewere in the US, and killed one of our own army-boys, I will say the rest of the army-boys certainly would respond fire, and the rest of the military would destroy that Tall White's base.

What a hostile behave the Tall Whites must have then......

[DONTEATUS]

Too much Twilite Zone me thinks? " To Serve Man'

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Utahraptor - I agreed that the aliens and the like do exist, and that they're older and more experienced then us.

I can easily accept that (grew up on a diet of sci-fi, it's easy to accept that idea).

It's the specifics of the beings you described that I'm less then convinced on, as I often say I'm a physical evidence sort of fellow, something I can touch and see and interact with convinces me.

It's interesting though, that you say humans have tried and failed 4 or 5 times.

Blavatsky talked about 5 root races.

Cayce too.

IIRC the Maya claim that we've been through 4 cycles, each ending with the nigh destruction of man.

And the Hopi (I tihnk it was the Hopi) Indians as well.

That's an interesting coincidence (if it is a coincidence)

[Lt_Ripley]

AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm really interested to watch a Tall White alien play poker in a casino.....

I mean a Tall White Alien should be described as a being with a white skin (like paper), eyes that are double size as human-eyes, and then they should look terrifying, right?

I guess the ordinary human poker-players would simply hurry run away, terrified by the sight of the Tall White alien!

And then the Tall White aliens are supposed to eat very strong mushrooms to get "high", right?

Damn', this is so hilarious

like I said once before - this reminds me of a Stargate Atlantis show that was on not too long ago. A tall white alien playing poker to gain funds.

also reminds me of the Man who fell to Earth with David Bowie. not a new idea .

and Mr. Fouche ? can't find his link to Joseph Fouche ( to which he claims to be a descendant) anywhere. I myself have a family interest in the subject. Although I must admit he does have a very strong family resemblance to my late father.

Edited February 19, 2009 by Lt_Ripley

[Captain Zim]

I could go into much more detail. But I'm way too tired for that. Plus I tried to stay away from astrophysics, cosmology, astrobiology, palaeontology, climatology, and geology as much as possible. But this is how nature works. This is the way life works. Not only on a biological scale but on a planetary, stellar, and universal scale. "Universal" meaning the universe, not as a common and wide spread system. This is the way scentient species evolve. This is how we can have advanced scentient species of people, isolated under evolved species like humans, and what humans consider to be primitve species of people. It all has to do with stellar age, stellar development, time of stellar development, stellar stability, and types of stars. Once you start thinking on these lines it becomes apparent that life can be and IS everywhere at different stages of development, from fantasically ancient to very new and primitive. Humans are still a bit on the primitive side of things. Like it or not, that just how it is. There are stars that are 14 billion years old and life has developed there and has been there the whole time. But there are stars that are just getting started or have not even coellesed yet and thus have not bread a solar system nor life yet. Sol happen to be still in it's first third of to half of life. It has about another 3-5 billion years of main phase left to it. Then it will go down one of a few paths. Humans are pretty sure it will go down the red giant route. This gives the human quite a bit of time to try and get past the war developmental civilization phase. Humans have already tried and failed 4 or 5 times now. If I'm correct the humans are now in the 5th generation. The reset switch has been hit before at it'll happen again. That is unless the humans have a super massive conciousness shift that breaks that cycle.

The humans have failed before:

http://www.lagranepoca.com/pics/2007/04/05...tillo-texas.jpg

this hammer is either 120 thousand years old or 150 thousand years old. I can't remember, sorry.

The humans have tried and failed before. Will the humans fail again?

There were actually several branches of early humanity, most of them evolutionary dead ends. However I'm not sure about these prior civilisations. Perhaps they got as far as iron working - the Indians (ie not Native American) had some pretty awesome steel technology, known in the west as "Damascus steel", better even than 1800s era, perhaps even 1900s.

[UtahRaptor]

Eh, let's just imagine that if the Tall Whites (if they do exist) have a base on somewere in the US, and killed one of our own army-boys, I will say the rest of the army-boys certainly would respond fire, and the rest of the military would destroy that Tall White's base.

What a hostile behave the Tall Whites must have then......

Ra

You seem to be missing a vital point here. It seems that you do not understand the way that the Tall White people cunduct themselves and conduct interactions. The people who died at the hands of the Tall White poeple wronged them saverely and broke a WELL UNDERSTOOD agreement. The result is death. Tall White people ARE NOT to be touched. You DO NOT interact with their childeren at any great extent. And, You DEFINITLY DO NOT try to hurt them in any way. This was WELL understood by all. Some humans broke the agreements and paid the price. Charles was almost killed himself and he saved one of the Tall White people's lives, but he broke an agreement by the same token. If the Tall White people did not kill them then the commanding officers DEFINITLY WOULD HAVE. This is the way interactions with them MUST be. I for one agree with the Tall White people and sadly I must say that the humans deserved it. There were instances of attepted kidnaping of Tall White children and hurting the female Tall Whites. Personally if my child were to be kidnaped. NO ONE can stop me and my revenge!! You hurt my kid and YOU WILL FREAKING DIE!!!! Either that or I will mess you so saverely and MAKE DAM SURE you live the rest of your life. Are you familiar with the statment of "To the pain" or familiary with the statement "Your suffering will be legendary, even in Hell!!!!"? US military personell or not they broke an agreement and they paid the price. That is the way of things.

These are the points you have missed.

Be well Ra

Edited February 19, 2009 by UtahRaptor

[UtahRaptor]

Utahraptor - I agreed that the aliens and the like do exist, and that they're older and more experienced then us.

I can easily accept that (grew up on a diet of sci-fi, it's easy to accept that idea).

It's the specifics of the beings you described that I'm less then convinced on, as I often say I'm a physical evidence sort of fellow, something I can touch and see and interact with convinces me.

It's interesting though, that you say humans have tried and failed 4 or 5 times.

Blavatsky talked about 5 root races.

Cayce too.

IIRC the Maya claim that we've been through 4 cycles, each ending with the nigh destruction of man.

And the Hopi (I tihnk it was the Hopi) Indians as well.

That's an interesting coincidence (if it is a coincidence)

My aopolgies Wearer, I misunderstood and went on that whole tangent. But as I said I was extremely tired and I became quite dopey. Sorry again.

As for the evidence thing. I understand this VERY well. I am a student of science and have been for well over 2 decades. In science, eye witness observation is right next to no evidence at all. Scince is a very difficult system to get something past. You have the option of not trusting my words and that is all well and good. It is practically a given I'd say.

I said I would not divulge how I came upon that information and to that I'll still hold. But I will say this..... I've been given proof in abundance. Unless you are me you would not understand. I accept this whole heartedly. I battled for a whole year over the lack of proof. But within the past week to two weeks I have been given exponentially more proof than I originally wanted. And now I clamor for more! I want knowledge and wisdom so that I may pass it on to others. Over the next few months, I will get more than I can dream as ever being possible. I know this to be a fact. This possible just because of the path of life I am on right now. Or maybe it has to do with just some straight up amazeing luck! I know I'm not that slick at all! X-D I am gathering good strong contacts and great friends. If I were to make it known here how I came upon that info I would be a target of ingorance. I do not want anything to do with that. I have better things to do with my time than that.

You are obviously well read and well educated on quite a few things. Please keep going down that road. You may find more than you ever wanted, maybe more than you can handle. I don't know you at all so I would not know the out come of that info flood and how you would react to it. I do not say this to belittle you at all. I do not wish you to take it that way.

I don't know how much research you've done so I have some suggestions here. Sorry this is to all. I do not wish to single you out.

These are some of the finest videos I've ever seen:

Fastwalkers (documentary, a dam good one at that!)

Project Camelot's interveiw with Clifford Stone

Project Camelot's interveiw with Robert O. Dean (this is the more potent of the 3, watch this one last, the others prepair you for it)

Cya later dude.

Edited February 19, 2009 by UtahRaptor

[Captain Zim]

UtahRaptor,

Yeah, unfortunately our culture is riddled with too many cranks to put much stock on eyewitness evidence. But eventually they pile up, and you get science to admit it (although it kicks and screams as you drag it along).

Anyway what info are you talking about? Previous ancient civilisations? You can PM if you don't want to explain it in the open.

[UtahRaptor]

There were actually several branches of early humanity, most of them evolutionary dead ends. However I'm not sure about these prior civilisations. Perhaps they got as far as iron working - the Indians (ie not Native American) had some pretty awesome steel technology, known in the west as "Damascus steel", better even than 1800s era, perhaps even 1900s.

Hey captain! It's good to see you again! Well said as usual. Only very rescently have modern people been able to unlock the secrets of Damascus Steel. Some previous cililiazations have FAR surpassed us in technology. There a great many things that we are still scratching our heads over. Such as one technology that the Ancient Lebonese people as well as dozens of others have had. These people could lift and move 4 million pound objects with out even physically touching them. Present day cranes can't even do that. These fasctinateing people used sound reverberation harmoics through large crystals to accomplish these technological feats. This is only one of countless ancient technologies that makes present day humans look like knuckle dragging baffoons.

[The Skeptic Eric Raven]

your signiture makes sense :"Ignorance is ignorance. It is a state of mind, not an opinion."

(is all i have to say to you and your type )

Your attitude will eventually have you gone from this board.

[Ra_Sun-God]

Ra

You seem to be missing a vital point here. It seems that you do not understand the way that the Tall White people cunduct themselves and conduct interactions. The people who died at the hands of the Tall White poeple wronged them saverely and broke a WELL UNDERSTOOD agreement. The result is death. Tall White people ARE NOT to be touched. You DO NOT interact with their childeren at any great extent. And, You DEFINITLY DO NOT try to hurt them in any way. This was WELL understood by all. Some humans broke the agreements and paid the price. Charles was almost killed himself and he saved one of the Tall White people's lives, but he broke an agreement by the same token. If the Tall White people did not kill them then the commanding officers DEFINITLY WOULD HAVE. This is the way interactions with them MUST be. I for one agree with the Tall White people and sadly I must say that the humans deserved it. There were instances of attepted kidnaping of Tall White children and hurting the female Tall Whites. Personally if my child were to be kidnaped. NO ONE can stop me and my revenge!! You hurt my kid and YOU WILL FREAKING DIE!!!! Either that or I will mess you so saverely and MAKE DAM SURE you live the rest of your life. Are you familiar with the statment of "To the pain" or familiary with the statement "Your suffering will be legendary, even in Hell!!!!"? US military personell or not they broke an agreement and they paid the price. That is the way of things.

These are the points you have missed.

Be well Ra

Hey Dear UtahRaptor. I did not know that this killed soldier broked a well understood agreement. I myself are very against that grown up people touch other children. I'm also against to break agreement that may have been made between humans and Tall Whites. So if Tall Whites have a base in the US then there must be a good reason they are here, and then the Tall Whites are allowed to have a base on Earth of course.

I have a link posted by timfix: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_hall05.htm

As you can see there was a Tall White guard sitting in a restaurant and had ordered food and a coke (I assume this Tall White had cash on him), but he did not touch it. That's very odd. Why pay for food, and then not eating it, it does'nt make any sense.

Then timfix claims he noticed a Tall White disguised as an Albino looking through him from upstairs. It sounds like an Al Capone Chicargo-gangster from a "smoking-screen"

And timfix claim that Tall Whites have weapons that is pencil-size. Same pencil-size weapon they use in the MIB movies

Please don't get me wrong UtahRaptor. I'm very interested to get to the buttom of this Tall White case. There are so many questions about it.

And sure, humans of the Earth may have deep respect of the Tall Whites, and humans have to be down on their knees when Tall Whites shows up

Edited February 19, 2009 by Ra_Sun-God

[Ra_Sun-God]

like I said once before - this reminds me of a Stargate Atlantis show that was on not too long ago. A tall white alien playing poker to gain funds.

also reminds me of the Man who fell to Earth with David Bowie. not a new idea .

and Mr. Fouche ? can't find his link to Joseph Fouche ( to which he claims to be a descendant) anywhere. I myself have a family interest in the subject. Although I must admit he does have a very strong family resemblance to my late father.

I agree with you Lt_Ripley. Stargate Atlantis, that's good one And David Bowie came to Earth

This whole Tall White case stinks so long way, LOL

Seems to be another hoax to me

[DONTEATUS]

like I said once before - this reminds me of a Stargate Atlantis show that was on not too long ago. A tall white alien playing poker to gain funds.

also reminds me of the Man who fell to Earth with David Bowie. not a new idea .

and Mr. Fouche ? can't find his link to Joseph Fouche ( to which he claims to be a descendant) anywhere. I myself have a family interest in the subject. Although I must admit he does have a very strong family resemblance to my late father.

I loved that Movie "The Man that Fell to Earth" Highly under rated movie I thought. IT told a Love storie and the vices of man,and A lot was shot in New Mexico near White Sands. We make most of our Aliens Im sure of that.justDONTEATUS

[Jrod2]

My aopolgies Wearer, I misunderstood and went on that whole tangent. But as I said I was extremely tired and I became quite dopey. Sorry again.

As for the evidence thing. I understand this VERY well. I am a student of science and have been for well over 2 decades. In science, eye witness observation is right next to no evidence at all. Scince is a very difficult system to get something past. You have the option of not trusting my words and that is all well and good. It is practically a given I'd say.

I said I would not divulge how I came upon that information and to that I'll still hold. But I will say this..... I've been given proof in abundance. Unless you are me you would not understand. I accept this whole heartedly. I battled for a whole year over the lack of proof. But within the past week to two weeks I have been given exponentially more proof than I originally wanted. And now I clamor for more! I want knowledge and wisdom so that I may pass it on to others. Over the next few months, I will get more than I can dream as ever being possible. I know this to be a fact. This possible just because of the path of life I am on right now. Or maybe it has to do with just some straight up amazeing luck! I know I'm not that slick at all! X-D I am gathering good strong contacts and great friends. If I were to make it known here how I came upon that info I would be a target of ingorance. I do not want anything to do with that. I have better things to do with my time than that.

You are obviously well read and well educated on quite a few things. Please keep going down that road. You may find more than you ever wanted, maybe more than you can handle. I don't know you at all so I would not know the out come of that info flood and how you would react to it. I do not say this to belittle you at all. I do not wish you to take it that way.

I don't know how much research you've done so I have some suggestions here. Sorry this is to all. I do not wish to single you out.

These are some of the finest videos I've ever seen:

Fastwalkers (documentary, a dam good one at that!)

Project Camelot's interveiw with Clifford Stone

Project Camelot's interveiw with Robert O. Dean (this is the more potent of the 3, watch this one last, the others prepair you for it)

Cya later dude.

It looks like Charles Hall is on Fastwalkers ,too. I happen to believe the sources and topics on that video . Yet,please do not challenge me ,for its not worth quiveling over . haha yes ... "show me the proof" ? i think not . Now, If i could show any proof i'd most likely get into trouble with the forces that be . They seem to prefer to keep people comfortably numb.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

"I can't show you proof" - so what's the point of saying anything at all?

This place is full of sceptics who'll demand evidence, if you're telling the truth then the only result is that you're going to either get annoyed at the people asking, or at the fact you're voice is silenced.

The end result is the same, annoyance for you, and for us because "I can't tell you" is just an irksome phrase trotted out to cover a multitude of lies.

I do hope that you're right, and that we're not alone in this universe, or even on this world.

And that not all those out there want to eat our brains.

But... I need proof before I believe. Well then it's not belief I suppose, but you get my drift.

[UtahRaptor]

To all of you who crave proof, I have 2 destinations for you.

1. Blackvault.com-- take a good strong look throught the 10,000+ pages of US Military, CIA, FBI, NSA, NASA, FAA, Secret Sevice, DOD, MOD and all the other foreign countries, released top secret files. There are literally THOUSANDS of pages of released Top Secret and Above Top Secret files just on EBE people and their craft alone.

2. Disclosureproject.org-- This place has a nice little 600 page compilation of released Top Secret files, first hand reports from US military personell of high ranks, and FAA Radar recordings.

If that isn't enough nothing will ever be enough and all of you will be left behind when larger releases and large scale contact is made. BTW large scale contact has already been made but many refuse to even acknowledge it. All you have to do is look up "The Battle of LA" in 1942, The Phoenix Lights, The Hudson Valley Boomerang, and entire flleets of hundreds to thousands of craft over Mexico at once. Each of these sighting were witnessed by NO LESS THAN 10,000 people. The numbers of witnesses go above 50,000 for most of these single events a piece. If this is not enough for you "skeptics" then like I said NOTHING will be and have fun not seeing what is in front of you. But don't you dare bash others that have had interactions that you have not. Do your homework, the proof is abundant, go and get it, or shut up. The choice is yours, pure and simple. Nothing more needs be said than that.

Oh and don't give me that lame excuse of "military flairs". These lame excuses violate the laws of physics and gravity. Since when do flairs stay in one place? Doesn't gravity pull them down? Oh ya... they have parachuts.... Well how about wind? Does that not move parachutes? Think. Gravity. Wind. These lame excuses violate physics and nature but people don't even take the time to think about it.

Also I know how much some of you people absolutly love to bash those who have actually seen EBE people and interacted with them. This is an act of sheer ignorace and you really should be ashamed of yourselves! You strike out with your own ignorance to try and hurt others! How diplorable you are! I have said my peace. Now I leave this place again. I grow tired of ignorance.

Edited February 20, 2009 by UtahRaptor

[MrRandomGuy]

I will add that at the time i saw them they used the sunglass and spanish gaucho hat disguise , they already look sorta like albino's so thats not a disguise. After i saw them i sat down and told the dealer what i saw since i was dumbfounded and he said Oh their from Spain. Now ,as you look into this or read the books ,you will find out that that was what the talls told everyone.

You do realize that people from Spain are primarily white don't you?

the talls keep growing the older they get . So i saw a few younger ones around 6 ft ,while the one at the top of the stairs looking straight down at me must of been around 6.7 ft ,only a guess.

The younger ones would be about 6 feet? Impressive. How tall do these guys get? It would be hard to disguise themselves when they are very old and are up to 10 feet tall. Also, do you know around how tall they get each year?

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

To all of you who crave proof, I have 2 destinations for you.

1. Blackvault.com-- take a good strong look throught the 10,000+ pages of US Military, CIA, FBI, NSA, NASA, FAA, Secret Sevice, DOD, MOD and all the other foreign countries, released top secret files. There are literally THOUSANDS of pages of released Top Secret and Above Top Secret files just on EBE people and their craft alone.

2. Disclosureproject.org-- This place has a nice little 600 page compilation of released Top Secret files, first hand reports from US military personell of high ranks, and FAA Radar recordings.

If that isn't enough nothing will ever be enough and all of you will be left behind when larger releases and large scale contact is made. BTW large scale contact has already been made but many refuse to even acknowledge it. All you have to do is look up "The Battle of LA" in 1942, The Phoenix Lights, The Hudson Valley Boomerang, and entire flleets of hundreds to thousands of craft over Mexico at once. Each of these sighting were witnessed by NO LESS THAN 10,000 people. The numbers of witnesses go above 50,000 for most of these single events a piece. If this is not enough for you "skeptics" then like I said NOTHING will be and have fun not seeing what is in front of you. But don't you dare bash others that have had interactions that you have not. Do your homework, the proof is abundant, go and get it, or shut up. The choice is yours, pure and simple. Nothing more needs be said than that.

Oh and don't give me that lame excuse of "military flairs". These lame excuses violate the laws of physics and gravity. Since when do flairs stay in one place? Doesn't gravity pull them down? Oh ya... they have parachuts.... Well how about wind? Does that not move parachutes? Think. Gravity. Wind. These lame excuses violate physics and nature but people don't even take the time to think about it.

Also I know how much some of you people absolutly love to bash those who have actually seen EBE people and interacted with them. This is an act of sheer ignorace and you really should be ashamed of yourselves! You strike out with your own ignorance to try and hurt others! How diplorable you are! I have said my peace. Now I leave this place again. I grow tired of ignorance.

I'd rather you stayed; you add a degree of interesting commentary to these sort of threads.

The sites are interesting FWIW... interesting at the idea of Aussie Top Secret Stuff

[Lilly]

Also I know how much some of you people absolutly love to bash those who have actually seen EBE people and interacted with them. This is an act of sheer ignorace and you really should be ashamed of yourselves! You strike out with your own ignorance to try and hurt others! How diplorable you are! I have said my peace. Now I leave this place again. I grow tired of ignorance.

I would caution you regarding a couple of points here:

1) Eyewitness reports can not be accepted as 'scientific proof'. People can (and often do) see things that exist only in their own minds. Until such time as tangible evidence comes forth ET visitation can only be considered as the personal opinion of some.

2) Other people are not ignorant just because they hold opinions that differ from your own. However, posting specifically to be nasty and hurtful toward others is not acceptable either.

[Ra_Sun-God]

To all of you who crave proof, I have 2 destinations for you.

1. Blackvault.com-- take a good strong look throught the 10,000+ pages of US Military, CIA, FBI, NSA, NASA, FAA, Secret Sevice, DOD, MOD and all the other foreign countries, released top secret files. There are literally THOUSANDS of pages of released Top Secret and Above Top Secret files just on EBE people and their craft alone.

2. Disclosureproject.org-- This place has a nice little 600 page compilation of released Top Secret files, first hand reports from US military personell of high ranks, and FAA Radar recordings.

If that isn't enough nothing will ever be enough and all of you will be left behind when larger releases and large scale contact is made. BTW large scale contact has already been made but many refuse to even acknowledge it. All you have to do is look up "The Battle of LA" in 1942, The Phoenix Lights, The Hudson Valley Boomerang, and entire flleets of hundreds to thousands of craft over Mexico at once. Each of these sighting were witnessed by NO LESS THAN 10,000 people. The numbers of witnesses go above 50,000 for most of these single events a piece. If this is not enough for you "skeptics" then like I said NOTHING will be and have fun not seeing what is in front of you. But don't you dare bash others that have had interactions that you have not. Do your homework, the proof is abundant, go and get it, or shut up. The choice is yours, pure and simple. Nothing more needs be said than that.

Oh and don't give me that lame excuse of "military flairs". These lame excuses violate the laws of physics and gravity. Since when do flairs stay in one place? Doesn't gravity pull them down? Oh ya... they have parachuts.... Well how about wind? Does that not move parachutes? Think. Gravity. Wind. These lame excuses violate physics and nature but people don't even take the time to think about it.

Also I know how much some of you people absolutly love to bash those who have actually seen EBE people and interacted with them. This is an act of sheer ignorace and you really should be ashamed of yourselves! You strike out with your own ignorance to try and hurt others! How diplorable you are! I have said my peace. Now I leave this place again. I grow tired of ignorance.

Please don't leave this place UtahRaptor Don't forget you are an extreme believer. You must also be interested to dig further in this case.....

All you have to do is to visit Indian Springs and check out that area for a while, and then tell about your experiences afterwards.

Well, there are rumors about Greys visiting Area 51, and now tourists from the whole world surrounds Area 51

And who knows, maybe Indian Springs also will be a tourist attraction some day.

I wonder why timfix is so quiet now. Maybe some Albinos told timfix to shut up for a while. It is said that Roswell nurses (Roswell Nurse X) and a doctor suddently were transfered and disappeared in 1947 without trace, just because they were Roswell alien-"Starwitnesses" and talked too much. And timfix claim that he is a Tall White alien-"Starwitness", so if he talk too much about Tall Whites, then maybe he suddently will be transfered and disappear without trace. Just a wild guess.

Timfix are used to talk too much, so maybe the Tall Whites who are disguised as Albinos will make timfix to disappear anyway.

So in case you should be a "Starwitness" then I will suggest you to not to talk too much about what you may have witnessed, but only talk about it just a little bit, and you will not disappear. Just a wild guess also.

Please keep a good mood UtahRaptor

Edited February 21, 2009 by Ra_Sun-God

[Lt_Ripley]

and yet the original tall white alien , David Bowie says .......

Edited February 21, 2009 by Lt_Ripley

[Ra_Sun-God]

and yet the original tall white alien , David Bowie says .......

AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

David Bowie must have taked sun-shower so his skin is more human-like. Charles Halls claims that Tall White's skin is white just like white paper.

Very good picture Lt_Ripley

[space alien]

[media]http://[whith all of these stories i would say it's possible that big white aliens visited las vegas casinos,but nobody has actual proof these are all stories so i would not get all excited when i hear this,it's possibly true!