Unforgivable sins?

[hyperactive]

funny it is how man wrote the laws of the afterlife to mimic the his laws of this life.

[Ashley-Star*Child]

Funny how people make assumptions on what was written and why.

[hyperactive]

Funny how people make assumptions on what was written and why.

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or for that fact how they will, dare i say mindlessly, cling to said writings.

[ALNA70]

Funny how people make assumptions on what was written and why.

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or for that fact how they will, dare i say mindlessly, cling to said writings.

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Actually, they are called interpretations of the written word.

[ShaunZero]

Now, on the Blasphemy issue...this means that if you have seen the Truth, as was the case with the Pharisees witnessing Jesus' miracle, and you suppress it, ignore it, or otherwise deny it, then obviously you are wilfully staying in the "dark", as it were. It follows then that you cannot be forgiven, for only YOU can accept God's gift -- He cannot force it upon you.

I agree totally.

I have a question. Where in the bible does it speak of this "Holy Trinity"?

Doesnt the bible speak of the earth never being destroyed? And didnt God create Adam and Eve to live on Earth forever(not heaven). And doesnt the our father prayer say "Thy Kingdom Come, on Earth as it is in heaven". I beleive that only 144,000 people(chosen ones) will inherit Heaven, and the rest worthy of a resurrection will inherit Earth. If everyone were to inherit heaven and others hell, Earth will just be abandoned?

Edited June 15, 2005 by ZeroShadow

[+Paranoid Android]

I have a question. Where in the bible does it speak of this "Holy Trinity"?

Never specifically. There is a mention in 1 John, but it's universally regarded as being added later. None-the-less, there are many passages that refer to Jesus and the Father being one, and Jesus and the Spirit being one, and the Father and the Spirit being one. Matthew even refers to baptising people in the Name (singular, not plural) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Thus all three are one. Three-in-one. Trinity.

Did you want specific verses, or is this good enough?

Doesnt the bible speak of the earth never being destroyed?

Off the top of my head, I can only think of God's promise after the flood to never destroy the world through water again. But Revelations is full of descriptions of the Earth being destroyed.

Again, do you need specific verses, or is this good enough?

And didnt God create Adam and Eve to live on Earth forever(not heaven). And doesnt the our father prayer say "Thy Kingdom Come, on Earth as it is in heaven".

It says: Thy Kingdom come. (note the full stop).

Thy will be done, on Earth as it is in heaven.

God's will, not God's kingdom.

I beleive that only 144,000 people(chosen ones) will inherit Heaven, and the rest worthy of a resurrection will inherit Earth. If everyone were to inherit heaven and others hell, Earth will just be abandoned?

That's very JW of you!

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Edited June 17, 2005 by BFG

[GodsMessenger]

YES there is an unforgivable sin.

Matthew 12:30-32

30"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. 31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come

There is a very logical explanation for this...

In order to be forgiven, you have to believe in The Spirit that forgives.

Remember Jesus says, you will be judged as you judge and forgiven as you forgive others. If you do not have the spirit of forgiveness within you that allows you to forgive others, how can you be forgiven in like manner?

You would not be able to recognize and confess your sin.

You would not be able to repent of your sin.

You would not be able to accept the forgiveness of a Spirit you do not believe in.

[GodsMessenger]

Now, on the Blasphemy issue...this means that if you have seen the Truth, as was the case with the Pharisees witnessing Jesus' miracle, and you suppress it, ignore it, or otherwise deny it, then obviously you are wilfully staying in the "dark", as it were. It follows then that you cannot be forgiven, for only YOU can accept God's gift -- He cannot force it upon you.

I agree totally.

I have a question. Where in the bible does it speak of this "Holy Trinity"?

Doesnt the bible speak of the earth never being destroyed? And didnt God create Adam and Eve to live on Earth forever(not heaven). And doesnt the our father prayer say "Thy Kingdom Come, on Earth as it is in heaven". I beleive that only 144,000 people(chosen ones) will inherit Heaven, and the rest worthy of a resurrection will inherit Earth. If everyone were to inherit heaven and others hell, Earth will just be abandoned?

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Here

John 14:

15"If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."

22Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, "But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?"

23Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

25"All this I have spoken while still with you. 26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 27Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

28"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. 29I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe. 30I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold on me, 31but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me.

"Come now; let us leave.

[101]

ABC's

Admit you sins

Believe in Christ

Confess your sins

Very simple....

[GodsMessenger]

The key to that bible verse is where Jesus says "The spirit who is now WITH you but will be IN you"

It was only after the Jesus died and His Spirit was released and available to be in us that the disciples like Peter who denied Christ, were able to have the power to be witness for Christ.