Talon Posted June 10, 2005 #1 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Adoption law for same sex couples Same sex couples will be able to adopt children, under new legislation being proposed by ministers. The move is part of a radical overhaul of Scotland's adoption laws. At present, only one member of an unmarried couple can adopt, the other gets separate rights to live in the same house as the child. But in future, unmarried and same sex couples could be able to adopt together if they can prove to be in an enduring family relationship. The Deputy Education Minister Euan Robson said that the adoption system needed to be changed to offer more children the chance to flourish and have a sense of belonging to a family. The change is being proposed against a background in which, 20 years ago, 1,000 children were adopted in Scotland every year. That figure now stands at about 400 with 11,000 children in the care of local authorities. Other aspects of the plan, which was drawn up by a panel of experts and made public on Friday, include speeding up adoption cases in the courts. It will also include a Permanence Order for older children who want an alternative to adoption and possible continued contact with their birth families. The details will now be subject to a public consultation exercise. The highly sensitive issues prompted a prolonged cabinet debate this week. Mr Robson said: "Any couple being assessed as adopters would undergo a rigorous examination of their relationship to make sure it provides stability for the child and to explore in depth their parenting abilities. "This would ensure that only couples that can provide a secure home to a child would be allowed to adopt." The gay and lesbian rights group Stonewall Scotland welcomed the executive measure. Its director Calum Irving said that many children were already growing up in a stable family with same sex parents. 'Fit to parent' He hailed the new move which would mean that gay couples could apply to adopt together. Mr Irving reiterated Mr Robson's message by saying: "In applying to adopt children, same sex couples will be subject to the same rigorous assessment as mixed sex couples. "It should be borne in mind that adoption panels always consider what is in the best interests of the child and where two gay people are considered fit to parent there is no good reason why they shouldn't." Gerry O'Hara of the Scottish Adoption Association called for more support to tackle behavioural problems which can emerge from the stresses of adoption. He said: "Families need to know that they can go back to whichever agency is appropriate and get help by right. "You're talking about sometimes very, very challenging problems and behaviour from children who have been adopted, way down the line, long, long after the adoption order has been granted." The review group, which was set up to help modernise current legislation, was headed by Sheriff Principal Graham Cox. He said: "I believe that the implementation of our recommendations will improve the lives of some of the most vulnerable children in Scotland." Tory education spokesman James Douglas-Hamilton said the matter should not been seen as a gay rights issue. Change welcomed He said there was evidence to show a child's best interests were served with a married couple. Mr Douglas-Hamilton added: "The immediate priority is to extend the number of married couples who can adopt and by tackling prejudice on the grounds of age or race, to allow more to do so." The Scottish National Party's education and children spokeswoman Fiona Hyslop welcomed the change. She added: "This has been a long time coming and there is now a long period of consultation ahead. "The key issue is to ensure that any updated law puts the needs of the child at centre stage." Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/4077654.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girty1600 Posted June 10, 2005 #2 Share Posted June 10, 2005 This is very good news. Any person or couple that is capable of raising a child in a healthy and loving environment should be allowed to adopt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted June 10, 2005 Author #3 Share Posted June 10, 2005 True, True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraphina Posted June 10, 2005 #4 Share Posted June 10, 2005 You know, it's only little steps at a time...but hopefully, in maybe ten or fifteen years time, being gay as opposed to straight will just be like being left handed instead of right. Although the average person doesn't care (or at least claims not to care while spouting some of the most predujiced filth I've ever heard), there's still this taboo that surrounds homosexuality Little things like this are a good step towards getting rid of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunarmdscissor Posted June 11, 2005 #5 Share Posted June 11, 2005 in maybe ten or fifteen years time, being gay as opposed to straight will just be like being left handed instead of right slow down sera , jesus. ill NEVER accept leftt handed people as equals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted June 11, 2005 Author #6 Share Posted June 11, 2005 ill NEVER accept leftt handed people as equals Poor Sera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunarmdscissor Posted June 11, 2005 #7 Share Posted June 11, 2005 ahhh i knew it. a leftie exposed ...... am only kiddin. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander CMG Posted June 11, 2005 #8 Share Posted June 11, 2005 I don't see why there should be a problem with same sex relationships bringing up children, there are many single parents that don't have the ideal matching his and hers robes over the bathroom door manage... There was a case about 10 years ago of 2 wealthy guys that lived together in London actually one a case to adopt a child.. they proved they had the right setting and environemnt for the child, in fact more than your his and her couple in some ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted June 11, 2005 #9 Share Posted June 11, 2005 Its quiet amazing hiow the law can be changed and how quickly aswell for gay couples that want any thing,dont want to upset do we My friend who has been married for 7 years ,never been in trouble with the law,has worked for the last 24 years,owns his own home is still trying to adopt with his wife for the last year and a half and are still waiting,they have been told they will find out the out come after more checks have been done with their familys backgrounds He should have went out and married a **** and he would have had unwanted kids thrown at him from every where Do gays want the same laws as every one else and a few more for good luck,they seem to have more laws than me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunarmdscissor Posted June 11, 2005 #10 Share Posted June 11, 2005 thats a lot of rubbish warden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander CMG Posted June 11, 2005 #11 Share Posted June 11, 2005 (edited) Its quiet amazing hiow the law can be changed and how quickly aswell for gay couples that want any thing,dont want to upset do we My friend who has been married for 7 years ,never been in trouble with the law,has worked for the last 24 years,owns his own home is still trying to adopt with his wife for the last year and a half and are still waiting,they have been told they will find out the out come after more checks have been done with their familys backgrounds He should have went out and married a **** and he would have had unwanted kids thrown at him from every where Do gays want the same laws as every one else and a few more for good luck,they seem to have more laws than me 669021[/snapback] I would suspect they would have the same vetting and checks as any other couple? unless your a gay Muslim couple? then it will definately swing your way? Edited June 11, 2005 by XSAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kratos__ Posted June 11, 2005 #12 Share Posted June 11, 2005 Hmm... I have some mixed thoughts on this one. As you claim being gay is genetic, but kids are great imitators and learn from their parents. So... my point is they would be taking a straight kid and by being raised by a same sex couple swaying him to be gay, when in fact his genetics says he is straight. On the other hand, the kid will grow up in a family enviroment with love and basic needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffybunny Posted June 11, 2005 #13 Share Posted June 11, 2005 my point is they would be taking a straight kid and by being raised by a same sex couple swaying him to be gay, when in fact his genetics says he is straight. I am going to assume that you are straight (If I am incorrect I apologize). Do you think that by being exposed to gay people(Be it parents, friends family) you would be able to change your sexual preference? It appears to be something rather hardwired in my opinion... I can be influenced to do a lot of things by being exposed to it; changing my sexual preference is not one of them... I am certain about that... That is one of the reasons why I think that it is a genetic issue, and not a choice... Anyway, this is a good thing in my opinion. Having fostered here in the US I can tell anyone that there are so many kids that need good homes that have to live in group homes(read; living hell) rather than having loving parents because same sex parents are not allowed. In california, single parents were placed higher in the que than were gay couples. It is silly in my opinion. If people can be good parents, let them do it. To me it is no different than saying that black people, or amputees, or wheelchair bound folks can't adopt; it is just rediculous. People are people, regardless of what label they have been given. If they can be good parents, then they should be allowed to adopt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kratos__ Posted June 11, 2005 #14 Share Posted June 11, 2005 (edited) my point is they would be taking a straight kid and by being raised by a same sex couple swaying him to be gay, when in fact his genetics says he is straight. I am going to assume that you are straight (If I am incorrect I apologize). Do you think that by being exposed to gay people(Be it parents, friends family) you would be able to change your sexual preference? It appears to be something rather hardwired in my opinion... I can be influenced to do a lot of things by being exposed to it; changing my sexual preference is not one of them... I am certain about that... That is one of the reasons why I think that it is a genetic issue, and not a choice... Anyway, this is a good thing in my opinion. Having fostered here in the US I can tell anyone that there are so many kids that need good homes that have to live in group homes(read; living hell) rather than having loving parents because same sex parents are not allowed. In california, single parents were placed higher in the que than were gay couples. It is silly in my opinion. If people can be good parents, let them do it. To me it is no different than saying that black people, or amputees, or wheelchair bound folks can't adopt; it is just rediculous. People are people, regardless of what label they have been given. If they can be good parents, then they should be allowed to adopt. 669405[/snapback] You assumed right. I was going along the lines of conditioning with the years of rearing. Yes, I agree with the loving enviroment... that is why in my first post I said I had mixed thoughts on this issue. I honestly don't know where I would stand on this, because I don't give a dang about the parents, I am more concerned with the kid(s). Edited June 11, 2005 by __Kratos__ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted June 11, 2005 Author #15 Share Posted June 11, 2005 warden don't be stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted June 12, 2005 #16 Share Posted June 12, 2005 warden don't be stupid 669798[/snapback] Who the hell are you talking to ,do you know the couple im talking about ...NO,but you could not wait to jump in with your two pence worth Since you stay in scotland like my self would you like to meet the couple in question and i will let them tell you the story i have told you,then you can retract your stupid remark on the board Fancy the challenge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ames2787 Posted June 12, 2005 #17 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Do we have to put up with such homophobic behaviour on the boards? Warden, just cos your friends have had to wait a long time, what makes you think that gay couples will ALSO have to wait a long time and be checked and whatnot?! You didn't think it through very well obviously.... you need to find some evidence of a gay couple marching into the local adoption office and picking a kid right there and then and walking home with it - cos I can assure you it's not like that. And your biggotted comments belong in the 50s not in the 00s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girty1600 Posted June 12, 2005 #18 Share Posted June 12, 2005 When and if same sex couples are allowed to adopt, they will be put through the same scrutiny as other potential parents and won't be given a proverbial ticket to the front of the line or anything. It takes a long time to go through the proper channels for adopting a child; that's just how it is. I know some couples have been waiting for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted June 12, 2005 #19 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Do we have to put up with such homophobic behaviour on the boards? Warden, just cos your friends have had to wait a long time, what makes you think that gay couples will ALSO have to wait a long time and be checked and whatnot?! You didn't think it through very well obviously.... you need to find some evidence of a gay couple marching into the local adoption office and picking a kid right there and then and walking home with it - cos I can assure you it's not like that. And your biggotted comments belong in the 50s not in the 00s. 671420[/snapback] I was useing my friends as an example.dah When we have thousands of straight couples crying out to adopt and then be told no for pathetic reasons or be told they will have to wait over two years just to wait for an answer,come on are you sariously telling me that sounds homophobic Or was it the piece about the gays demanding equal rights ,and me having an opinion on it that upset you And your stupid remark belongs in ad not bc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ames2787 Posted June 12, 2005 #20 Share Posted June 12, 2005 (edited) My so called "stupid" remark is in AD .... as we are in AD. Homosexual couples do not get preferential treatment over heterosexual couples. And I would suggest that there is never going to be enough couples to adopt, so what is wrong with homsexual couples. Why are you of the opinion that they get preferential treatment. Oh and is there any reason that when confronted with an argument you call it "stupid" because it's sensible and not derogatory to other groups... Edited June 12, 2005 by ames2787 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted June 12, 2005 #21 Share Posted June 12, 2005 My so called "stupid" remark is in AD .... as we are in AD. Homosexual couples do not get preferential treatment over heterosexual couples. And I would suggest that there is never going to be enough couples to adopt, so what is wrong with homsexual couples. Why are you of the opinion that they get preferential treatment. Oh and is there any reason that when confronted with an argument you call it "stupid" because it's sensible and not derogatory to other groups... 671776[/snapback] I will try and answer you so you dont have to use up another box of tisues There are hundreds of couples out there waiting for their chance who fit the cryteria,why is it they have not been given the chance? The reason i think gay couples will get a better crack of the whip is simple,if you are gay,ethnic,an imigrant or from bloody MARS the gov bends over backwords for you ,so not to upset your feelings,what about people like me,a hard working law abiding citizen, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ames2787 Posted June 12, 2005 #22 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Well if you think that then it confirms my suspicion that you are a xeneophobic and a homophobic with a slight hint of paranoia. Do you suppose every homosexual couple who applies for a child - gets one. Don't be so stupid and get your mind out of the 50s and into the new millennium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted June 12, 2005 #23 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Well if you think that then it confirms my suspicion that you are a xeneophobic and a homophobic with a slight hint of paranoia. Do you suppose every homosexual couple who applies for a child - gets one. Don't be so stupid and get your mind out of the 50s and into the new millennium. 671821[/snapback] Oh the word stupid again,i hope you are not useing it to offend people like me and my kind xeneophobic,homophobic,i dont have any of their albums,but paranoia i think i have their latest single,its called `stupid` My best friends are gay ,my old friends from my youth are gay,so you must be right in your thinking i listen to what they tell me and they think they will stand a better chance of getting an adopted kid quicker than a straight couple,so what would you call them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ames2787 Posted June 12, 2005 #24 Share Posted June 12, 2005 I don't have to sit here and listen to your paranoia. It's pointless arguing with an idiot. Good day sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted June 12, 2005 #25 Share Posted June 12, 2005 I don't have to sit here and listen to your paranoia. It's pointless arguing with an idiot. Good day sir. 671883[/snapback] What if i put on some of my gay friends on who will tell you the exact same as i have told you ,will you call them idiots and stupid Take a look around you ,you see it every day My gay friends must be paranoid aswell as it was them who i have been listening to ,to get some insight into this thread Watch out ,its behind you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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