Scotland: Adoption law for same sex couples

[Talon]

warden I don't care about the couple in question, I only care about your stupid view that despite all the bigotry against them, gays get it better than you.

Your beginning to sound like Palidin

I don't have to sit here and listen to your paranoia.

It's pointless arguing with an idiot.

True, ames2787, very true, some people aren't worth wasting breath on

Edited June 12, 2005 by Talon S.

[twpdyp]

This comment would apply to lesbian couples, if either member of the couple is able and willing to get pregnant artificial insemination is always a viable solution. It worked for my sister. Even gay men can get a surrogate pregnant if they can find someone that would be willing. So adoption is not the only answer. Committed couples same sex or otherwise should be allowed to adopt. My sister is a wonderful mother.

Edited June 12, 2005 by twpdyp

[warden]

warden I don't care about the couple in question, I only care about your stupid view that despite all the bigotry against them, gays get it better than you.

Your beginning to sound like Palidin

I don't have to sit here and listen to your paranoia.

It's pointless arguing with an idiot.

True, ames2787, very true, some people aren't worth wasting breath on

671927[/snapback]

And you sound like Ser ,but i wont hold that against you

I have always been told in life from an early age ,it is good to have views in life,no matter how crazy or stupid they sound or seem,if we didnt we would all have the same views and that to me would be scary

Bigatory?have you listend to your self latley,the pot calling the kettle black.scotland,scotland,scotland,,,will i go on zzzzzz zzzzzz zzzzz zzzzz

If you and some others dontlike my views and how i type them ,simple dont comment om them,you would be doing me a great favour,do you know how tireing it is for me having to read your crap

[Talon]

I've already told you Warden, I'm not wasting my time with you

[warden]

I've already told you Warden, I'm not wasting my time with you

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Oh some one stole your sweeties

[Talon]

Oh some one stole your sweeties

God, what age are you?

Are any of the mods reading this childishness?

Edited June 12, 2005 by Talon S.

[Thistle]

OK, that's enough of the petty bickering. Warden you are doing yourself no favours by posting childish resposes like these.

[ames2787]

At last some sense.

Apparently he's 38.

More like 3.8...

Edit: Ames you are not immune to the rules either. Any further posts from ANYONE which are designed purely to start or carry on an argument will result in warnings being issued

Edited June 12, 2005 by Thistle

[Commander CMG]

At last some sense.

Apparently he's 38.

More like 3.8...

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Which part of what Thistle had to say did you not understand, you have just jumped in insulting Warden which is unacceptable?

[Hans Dolbrook]

if a child is raised in a home where there is plenty of love,respect,and discipline shown,is'nt that better than a kid being raised in a foster home that teaches hate?

[Talon]

yes

[Hans Dolbrook]

so i think,and apparently so do others,that it does'nt matter what kind of home a child is raised in,as long as that child is loved,well cared for,and respects the rights of others.i do'nt care what kind of home any child is raised in,as long as it is'nt abused or mistreated in any way,and shown love.

[Talon]

agreed

[Commander CMG]

so i think,and apparently so do others,that it does'nt matter what kind of home a child is raised in,as long as that child is loved,well cared for,and respects the rights of others.i do'nt care what kind of home any child is raised in,as long as it is'nt abused or mistreated in any way,and shown love.

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Fully agree and I don't think many wouldn't.

[Hans Dolbrook]

you guys would really be in a shock if you heard the way people in my part of the world react to this question.most of these southerners think that raising a kid in a home with 2 gay parents is cat amount to treason.they are so blinded by insecurity and hate,they can't see!

[Talon]

Weird, but then again I know a few homophobes. At my work I was friends with a guy who worked there for a year who was gay. Most of us knew (he was so camp it was unbeleivable), we just didn't care or see it as a major issue he was just one of the guys (..only effiminate ). But our manager didn't seem to know (although I don't know how he missed it) and when he found out he told the guy to hand in his resignation by the end of the day. Now, that is actually insanely illegal. And we're talking about Asda (Walmart) here, so its a major company, not some small office were the manager was the top dog.

Thing was the guy was really young (18) so he didn't fight it just left.

So although most people are open minded, we still have a share of fascists too

[Seraphina]

He was fired because he was gay!? Wow...the more I hear about your manager, the more he sounds like a...real...swell guy...

What is it with managers in retail being asses?

Anyway...I'm pleased to see that most people are open to logic and sanity, and understand that homosexuals are perfectly capable of raising of child in a safe and stable environment. I must admit...it confuses me that so many examples of the general public could believe so, and yet the government, in many western nations, are still reluctant to follow suit

[girty1600]

I think I know al least part on the problem with people in general. Hear me out.

We, as humans, have a tendency to hold grudges when it comes to our own negative experiences and the people involved. Its the same reason people use around the world for discriminating against groups of people whether it be due to religion, race, sexual preference or even industry. One bad situation or experience (or more than one in some cases) spoils a person's ability see a group of people (or their lifestyle/culture) as equal to their own. i.e. How many times do you hear "yeah, well this one time" or "I knew a guy once"or something along those lines, as the opening statement in a person's attemt to explain their own bigotry? I know I have heard them all more than I'de like to say and it makes me ill.

Just think how boring our lives would be if we all were exactly the same. Diversity is a GOOD thing; it helps us learn and grow and open our eyes to part of the world we might not have known otherwise.

[TheOriginalF]

^ Here, here, very well put Girty.

[Stixxman]

When it comes to same sex coupledom I'm a proponent, people should be with who they want when they want the bedroom is nobodies business but theirs. But.....I'll have to come down on the side of nature when it comes to parenting by same sex couples. There is a deeper more profound reason why it should not be, other than what some close minded people on both sides have said. If nature intended for us to parent children with one gender then it would have made it happen. Children need both sides of the equation to have a healthy upbringing. Children need the lessons from the masculine AND the feminine. And it doesn't matter if some have been successful without one or the other. More balanced people exist today from the union of man and woman that are well adjusted and balanced than what has been produced by all the other variations combined. Everything in nature is balance, when you over load the scale on one side no matter how good the result there will always be something missing that could not be provided by the situation. It is not what nature intended so it should not be encouraged.

[ames2787]

What about the millions of children raised by opposite sex couples that have been abused physically, sexually or mentally.

Is that healthy?

Does that create a balanced person?

I think not.

[Stixxman]

so we can imediately throw out the billions of people that have not been abused by oppisite sex parents and we can ignore children of same sex couples who have also been abused? I don't get it, are you disagreeing with a counter argument or just disagreeing?

[ames2787]

I'm saying it doesn't matter who your parents are as long as they love and care for you.

And I don't think it matters whether you're the same or opposite sex, as I'm sure both sets are just as likely to start abuse, so saying that only same sex should have it is just a little bit ridiculous.

[Stixxman]

But you don't think both sexes have something to contribute to the raising of children? There are things that cannot be taught by a woman just as there are things that cannot be taught by a man but together they are effective. And I don't dispute that there are very loving same sex couples who are the perfect kind of people to raise a child. Its just that there are perspectives that are alien to same sex couples. I have witnessed the bad side of what happens to same sex raised children. Granted they lived in a less tolerant time, they did not live in a less tolerant community. Children are cruel but not by intention, but the fact is, it is the bain of same sex couples existence, all the open minded friends and families in the world are not armour enough to deflect the cruelties of the child's peer group. Unfortunately the majority of kids come from hetero relationships, and majority rules. All the good feelings and intentions in the world won't change the fact that thats the peer group they will have to try and belong too. And when the difference is obviuos it won't take kids long to exploit it. If you can handle the ignorance fine, but its hard patch to hoe though so be prepared.

[Talon]

But you don't think both sexes have something to contribute to the raising of children? There are things that cannot be taught by a woman just as there are things that cannot be taught by a man but together they are effective.

These critcisms are the same for single parent families as well, you might as well oppose them too