The Chemtrails Conspiracy Theory

[timfix]

wrong

contrails rarely last longer in the air then 5 minutes. they certainly don't expand and turn into bellowing fingered clouds .... yet they fly chemtrails into clouds too and also tie HARRP up to them for max effect = weather modification. Which they think is needed based on the increased uv levels.

chemtrails are a diabolical ,expensive, secret program ,that may at first been influenced by Teller. Not all countries have chemtrails. Most people do not even question them and consider one a nut case conspiracist for even talking about them . These same people drink alot of tap water and their mind is severally effected by floride and other harmful trace minerals and trace contaminates.

long term exposure to chemtrail fall out : immune supression and eventual Alzhiemers. Yet, i believe that experimentation goes on with the ingredients they use in chemtrails ,since bio ingredients ,even blood traces have been found occassionally , which make me wonder if this is a future bio weapons format for the possiblity of lowering the world populationg. Of course its just speculation at this point.

live long and gather info

Gawd Almighty...

Because you were not expecting connies, and saw them--at 07:00 (which is typical)--they must be "doing something"?

Why are they doing what? Flying?

Because that's their business...to transport people from one place to another.

Perhaps it's , "Why are they producing contrails?"

Well, lots of people (I hope) know why planes produce contrails. Nothing to get angry about. Understanding will negate your anger...and probably make you feel silly.

It's water vapor.

It freezes upon contact with the air into tiny ice crystals (it's cold up there...always). They're essentially harmless cirrus clouds.

That's what's really behind them. People who tell you they're about weather modification or fighting terrorism (???) are either yanking your chain, or are blatantly ignorant.

I suspect the latter.

Hopefully, with adequate study and understanding, it will remain not a conspiracy theory to you, but rather what it actually is--a mundane and easily explainable atmospheric phenomenon which means basically nothing.

[MID]

wrong

Right.

contrails rarely last longer in the air then 5 minutes.

Yes they often do. They also disappear almost instantly, linger for hours, or any thing in between. They even appear as dashed lines...appearing to go on and off as an aircraft moves along...or they may suddenly appear, and then suddenly stop, leaving just a few miles of vapor. It's all normal behavior, if you understand what each scenario represents.

they certainly don't expand and turn into bellowing fingered clouds

Yes, they often do, espcecially with light, yet observable winds aloft, and high humidity.

.... yet they fly chemtrails into clouds too and also tie HARRP up to them for max effect = weather modification. Which they think is needed based on the increased uv levels.

You are really deep in, aren't you.

HARRP??

It's HAARP, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with weather. Nothing. There are no chemtrails, either. This sentence of your's is nuts.

chemtrails are a diabolical ,expensive, secret program ,that may at first been influenced by Teller.

Not all countries have chemtrails.

Actually, none do...but they all have contrails.

Most people do not even question them and consider one a nut case conspiracist for even talking about them .

That's probably the most lucid thing you've said!

These same people drink alot of tap water and their mind is severally effected by floride and other harmful trace minerals and trace contaminates.

I don't...but I'm thinking you have been drinking more than tap water...

long term exposure to chemtrail fall out : immune supression and eventual Alzhiemers.

Yet, i believe that experimentation goes on with the ingredients they use in chemtrails ,since bio ingredients ,even blood traces have been found occassionally , which make me wonder if this is a future bio weapons format for the possiblity of lowering the world populationg.

Blood traces have been found? In chemtrails?

Of course its just speculation at this point.

Oh...thank God you said that!

It gives me a small glimmer of hope in humanity...

live long and gather info

How about..."Live long and learn something"? In fact...you could learn everything you need to know about contrails and their formation and characteristics in a day or two...a short time!

[timfix]

my source is nick begich the video is over an hour

http://trueconspiracyblog.blogspot.com/200...this-haarp.html

i have no time to debate someone possibly brainwahsed

[timfix]

anyone want proof:

HAARP Theory And

Chemtrails - Research Goals

By Jim Phelps

12-5-3

It appears that on the chemtrails CCF bulletin board there is much concern about the HAARP system and its relationship to chemtrails techniques. The HAARP system is a high powered PWM transmitter and phased array antenna system. It is about experiments on the upper layers of the ionosphere. Some of the experiments look into its use as a deep penetration communications system for nuclear subs, some of the experiments look into changing the ion density and reaction rates of pollutants in the upper atmosphere, and some is aimed at understanding conduction effects in the ion layers.

Where does this all lead? Some of the more interesting directions are towards some of the work of Tesla, ie, where he suggested recovering energy from the atmosphere and some special high energy weapons. Tesla was into high voltage and atmospheric effects. It is not hard to notice what Tesla's objectives were about, collecting the Sun's energy stored in the atmosphere. He noted that the atmosphere tends to collect a lot of charge from the electrons entering the North Pole zones and Protons entering the South Pole. If one could harness this charge then one would have almost unlimited clean electric power, almost direct from the Sun. This would eliminate the problems with coal emissions poisoning the planet, solve the extreme risks associated with the nuclear power direction, and slow the use of limited oil resources. [ Interesting article here on oil: http://www.oilcrash.com/eating.htm ]

Indeed, lots of the Star Wars weapons related issues connected to HAARP and chemtrails is about understanding these ion layers and harnessing these Solar power methods. Some of it is also linked to weapons work, and to seeking nonpolluting power from the Sun. This is how the barium chemtrail methods enters into the chemtrail's mix, because these set up conduction processes in the atmosphere and do things like change the Earth potential gradient and make for plates or giant electrodes that may someday be used to harness the charge liberated from the Sun's fusion energy releases.

The methods are similar to that called the MHD methods that use magnetic fields to separate ions and electrons to generate power. The Russians pioneered the MHD methods, and some of the most silent submarine designs use these propulsion methods. It makes the US Sea Wolf silent sub designs look like antiques. MHD methods are what makes the Van Allen Belt effects separate the charges impacting the Earth. The charge collected in the Earth's atmosphere is huge and more than enough to power large cities with no pollution.

There is a long standing mystery for some that involves a region is Russia called Tunguska, where a meteor ionized the atmosphere and caused a huge discharge of the charge energy stored in the Earth's atmosphere that released energies comparable to nuclear bombs. This is the weapons direction of Star Wars. The other direction is to find ways to harness this charge collection and use it to power the planet, and eliminate or highly reduce both fossil fuels and nuclear power needs. If the research can pull this off, then we have some ideal condition for using fusion energy and not polluting the planet. It makes for a highly sustainable energy solution for Earth. The problems come in how we get to this stage of sophistication.

The other alternatives energy issue is that the Cold Fusion principles work, and the only reason it is being stymied is over the Bush connections to big oil. Cold Fusion can solve lots of problems, as it is very nonpolluting. Its principle uses the colloid metal conduction effects in liquids and the metal-gas boundary region to promote fusion or what was called transmutation in the old world of alchemy. The problems are that the Bush connections are into many things from the cover up of where Mt. Sinai is in Arabia and the real issues of US evangelism, to the cover up of cold fusion, to that of the directions of Star Wars, chemtrails, and HAARP.

These are complex times where the goals of US National Security have become the enemies of the American Citizens and the friend of corporate goals. All is at risk in these highly turbulent times, and the national security system likes casualties for profit.

HAARP has many goals: 1. Testing the removal of pollutant in the upper ion regions by using heating methods, 2. Testing the effects of inducing acoustic responses into the Earth crust using the low FREQ PWM technique to control stress, 3. Testing the deep penetration communication systems based on skin depth for nuclear subs, and 4. Testing how to modify the conductivity of the upper ionization layers for power collection system used for electrical or weapons applications.

When these type studies are done under the control of high security, there are going to be a lot of problems with abuses of power. This is truly the case when the actions and goals of the Bush Adm. are examined. There is too much secrecy in these projects and the levels of abuse have become extreme.

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001992.html

haarp facts:

http://trueconspiracyblog.blogspot.com/200...this-haarp.html

[timfix]

HAARP Theory And

Chemtrails - Research Goals

By Jim Phelps

12-5-3

It appears that on the chemtrails CCF bulletin board there is much concern about the HAARP system and its relationship to chemtrails techniques. The HAARP system is a high powered PWM transmitter and phased array antenna system. It is about experiments on the upper layers of the ionosphere. Some of the experiments look into its use as a deep penetration communications system for nuclear subs, some of the experiments look into changing the ion density and reaction rates of pollutants in the upper atmosphere, and some is aimed at understanding conduction effects in the ion layers.

Where does this all lead? Some of the more interesting directions are towards some of the work of Tesla, ie, where he suggested recovering energy from the atmosphere and some special high energy weapons. Tesla was into high voltage and atmospheric effects. It is not hard to notice what Tesla's objectives were about, collecting the Sun's energy stored in the atmosphere. He noted that the atmosphere tends to collect a lot of charge from the electrons entering the North Pole zones and Protons entering the South Pole. If one could harness this charge then one would have almost unlimited clean electric power, almost direct from the Sun. This would eliminate the problems with coal emissions poisoning the planet, solve the extreme risks associated with the nuclear power direction, and slow the use of limited oil resources. [ Interesting article here on oil: http://www.oilcrash.com/eating.htm ]

Indeed, lots of the Star Wars weapons related issues connected to HAARP and chemtrails is about understanding these ion layers and harnessing these Solar power methods. Some of it is also linked to weapons work, and to seeking nonpolluting power from the Sun. This is how the barium chemtrail methods enters into the chemtrail's mix, because these set up conduction processes in the atmosphere and do things like change the Earth potential gradient and make for plates or giant electrodes that may someday be used to harness the charge liberated from the Sun's fusion energy releases.

The methods are similar to that called the MHD methods that use magnetic fields to separate ions and electrons to generate power. The Russians pioneered the MHD methods, and some of the most silent submarine designs use these propulsion methods. It makes the US Sea Wolf silent sub designs look like antiques. MHD methods are what makes the Van Allen Belt effects separate the charges impacting the Earth. The charge collected in the Earth's atmosphere is huge and more than enough to power large cities with no pollution.

There is a long standing mystery for some that involves a region is Russia called Tunguska, where a meteor ionized the atmosphere and caused a huge discharge of the charge energy stored in the Earth's atmosphere that released energies comparable to nuclear bombs. This is the weapons direction of Star Wars. The other direction is to find ways to harness this charge collection and use it to power the planet, and eliminate or highly reduce both fossil fuels and nuclear power needs. If the research can pull this off, then we have some ideal condition for using fusion energy and not polluting the planet. It makes for a highly sustainable energy solution for Earth. The problems come in how we get to this stage of sophistication.

The other alternatives energy issue is that the Cold Fusion principles work, and the only reason it is being stymied is over the Bush connections to big oil. Cold Fusion can solve lots of problems, as it is very nonpolluting. Its principle uses the colloid metal conduction effects in liquids and the metal-gas boundary region to promote fusion or what was called transmutation in the old world of alchemy. The problems are that the Bush connections are into many things from the cover up of where Mt. Sinai is in Arabia and the real issues of US evangelism, to the cover up of cold fusion, to that of the directions of Star Wars, chemtrails, and HAARP.

These are complex times where the goals of US National Security have become the enemies of the American Citizens and the friend of corporate goals. All is at risk in these highly turbulent times, and the national security system likes casualties for profit.

HAARP has many goals: 1. Testing the removal of pollutant in the upper ion regions by using heating methods, 2. Testing the effects of inducing acoustic responses into the Earth crust using the low FREQ PWM technique to control stress, 3. Testing the deep penetration communication systems based on skin depth for nuclear subs, and 4. Testing how to modify the conductivity of the upper ionization layers for power collection system used for electrical or weapons applications.

When these type studies are done under the control of high security, there are going to be a lot of problems with abuses of power. This is truly the case when the actions and goals of the Bush Adm. are examined. There is too much secrecy in these projects and the levels of abuse have become extreme.

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001992.html

A considerable number of people have recently adopted the theory that the trails of vapour coming out of the back of high altitude aircraft, are in fact some sort of spray that is being applied to the population without anyone knowing about it. Nobody who believes in this theory however can give any satisfactory explanation as to how or why such a project would ever be undertaken by world governments.

What do you think of this theory ?

[frenat]

contrails rarely last longer in the air then 5 minutes.

Contrails are essentially high altitude cirrus clouds. By saying they don't last longer than 5 minutes then you are also trying to say that cirrus clouds don't exist.

Maybe you should learn something. Persistent contrails have been known about since airplanes could fly high enough. It can be predicted when they appear because the primary factor for their appearance is WEATHER.

Not a single "chemtrail" researcher has ever taken a sample directly from a "chemtrail" and had it tested. Why do you suppose that is? Are they afraid of what they won't find? Instead they collect samples from the ground which are far more likely to have been contaminated from local sources and assume it came from a trail of water vapor 30,000+ feet in the air. How does that make any kind of sense? What's worse is many people buy into these bogus tests and think they actually prove something about trails in the sky.

Charter a plane. Collect a sample directly from a trail and have it blindly tested at multiple reputable labs observing a strict chain of custody. If you actually find anything that shouldn't be in normal jet exhaust then I'll support you. Until then you have no evidence. All you have are people seeing contrails in the sky and not understanding the well known science behind them.

[mrbusdriver]

Charter a plane. Collect a sample directly from a trail and have it blindly tested at multiple reputable labs observing a strict chain of custody. If you actually find anything that shouldn't be in normal jet exhaust then I'll support you. Until then you have no evidence. All you have are people seeing contrails in the sky and not understanding the well known science behind them.

Problem being, it's quite likely that your own chartered jet will ALSO be spraying a trail!!! OMG, the horror of it all!!!

[Space Commander Travis]

chemtrails are a diabolical ,expensive, secret program

isn't everything?

,that may at first been influenced by Teller.

Suely you mean Tesla.

[BertL]

isn't everything?

Suely you mean Tesla.

"I am serious. And don't call me Shirley."

[timfix]

isn't everything?

Suely you mean Tesla.

Wrong , Call me Mr Research:

Teller had put forth the idea of Chemtrails and Telsa was related to HAARP. Yet, his version was making a 50 mile high protective band.

Teller said that in the future if the Sun became more powerful that we'd need to create a artifical protective ring around the earth. Chemtrials is a version of this .

HAARP has multi usages ,google Nick Begich and find the 1 hr plus interview with him called Angels still don't play this harp. This explains it all. Again one of the many uses of Haarp is tying it up to chemtrails, aluminum oxide is conductive.

[mrbusdriver]

Again one of the many uses of Haarp is tying it up to chemtrails, aluminum oxide is conductive.

What is your evidence that "chemtrails" contain this? For that matter, what experiments have been done to determine the makeup of contrails? None of the "chemtrailers" have even bothered to study this first hand. Might be a little expensive, but hey...

[badeskov]

Wrong , Call me Mr Research:

Teller had put forth the idea of Chemtrails and Telsa was related to HAARP. Yet, his version was making a 50 mile high protective band.

Teller said that in the future if the Sun became more powerful that we'd need to create a artifical protective ring around the earth. Chemtrials is a version of this .

HAARP has multi usages ,google Nick Begich and find the 1 hr plus interview with him called Angels still don't play this harp. This explains it all. Again one of the many uses of Haarp is tying it up to chemtrails, aluminum oxide is conductive.

Holy cow. This is just wrong on so many levels. And what is it with HAARP!? It ties in with "chemtrails", creates Earthquakes, does mind manipulation and all kinds of other sinister stuff. How do they ever do research on the real purpose it was built for?!?!

Cheers,

Badeskov

[timfix]

What is your evidence that "chemtrails" contain this? For that matter, what experiments have been done to determine the makeup of contrails? None of the "chemtrailers" have even bothered to study this first hand. Might be a little expensive, but hey...

if you google chemtrails there are many sources that share what its composed of

or do you prefer not to do your own research

if i was to tell you then that might not be good enough

UPDATE ,i was suprised to see when i googled for chemtrails not to be directed to the top informative sites. just to youtube and above top secret and geocities, not that they wont eventually point you in the right direction.

the info is here:

http://www.carnicom.com/ <--he's one of the formost researchers ,THE WEBSITE "S "SAMPLING AND ANALYSIS has what your looking for.

there are others ...

http://sonomachemtrails.blogspot.com/2008/...m-gov-scam.html

[timfix]

Holy cow. This is just wrong on so many levels. And what is it with HAARP!? It ties in with "chemtrails", creates Earthquakes, does mind manipulation and all kinds of other sinister stuff. How do they ever do research on the real purpose it was built for?!?!

Cheers,

Badeskov

how do you know its wrong

check the link about and google about haarp , nick begich knows the most about it , he's written a book on it plus theres the video about it . easy enough to find , yet not easy to keep an open mind about this subject.

again, haarp has multi uses and one of them is tied to chemtrails. Chemtrails are only tied to haarp when needed, thus chemtrails has a main purpose and haarp is a side feature.

again, stop drinking the floride in tap water, make sure your not being dumb downed , and or brainwashed by disinfo.

peace

[aquatus1]

how do you know its wrong

Personally, I know it's wrong purely on an engineering level. When one looks at the pictures of the HAARP array, they are simply not capable of transmitting the enormous amount of energy the conspiracy theories accuse them of doing so. Not to mention that there is never any mention of where this energy comes from to begin with.

Transmitters need to be built in certain ways to do certain things. The HAARP arrays are built for what they are supposed to be built for. They are not overbuilt, and could not handle the extra amounts of power.

And you can cut out the snide comments of people who disagree with you being dumbed downed or brainwashed.

Edited February 12, 2009 by aquatus1

[timfix]

a treasure trove of links on http://www.carnicom.com/morelink.htm

mr carnicom is one of the formost expert on the subject of CHEMTRAILS, he been interviewed on coasttocoastam ,jeffrense etc

that link also leads to his home page (oviously) where there are multi topic lists to become informed about this insane secret program.

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[timfix]

Personally, I know it's wrong purely on an engineering level. When one looks at the pictures of the HAARP array, they are simply not capable of transmitting the enormous amount of energy the conspiracy theories accuse them of doing so. Not to mention that there is never any mention of where this energy comes from to begin with.

Transmitters need to be built in certain ways to do certain things. The HAARP arrays are built for what they are supposed to be built for. They are not overbuilt, and could not handle the extra amounts of power.

And you can cut out the snide comments of people who disagree with you being dumbed downed.

your one mans opinion ? i do not know how informed you are about this . You looked at the picture but have you been informed ?

10 minute shortie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnRPZOUVhJ4 ( 5 mins into this gets the question you ask)

yet the indepth 1hr plus creme del la creme video based on the book with the simular

the link was pasted by me here yesturday, i suggest looking for it. the same video has been removed on youtube.

again, came out of a top secret project thats on my list of diabolical ,as in, mad scientist gone wild ( title of a movie im making)

[aquatus1]

your one mans opinion ?

*shrugs*

Hey, you asked.

i do not know how informed you are about this . You looked at the picture but have you been informed ?

Informed? Heck, It's what I do for a living. I'm a Network Engineer. I got a degree and everything.

[The Skeptic Eric Raven]

your one mans opinion ? i do not know how informed you are about this . You looked at the picture but have you been informed ?

10 minute shortie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnRPZOUVhJ4 ( 5 mins into this gets the question you ask)

yet the indepth 1hr plus creme del la creme video based on the book with the simular

the link was pasted by me here yesturday, i suggest looking for it. the same video has been removed on youtube.

again, came out of a top secret project thats on my list of diabolical ,as in, mad scientist gone wild ( title of a movie im making)

Just curious. Where do you draw the line? What don't you believe in? Just asking to throw out a few things that you think are whacky.

[timfix]

Angels Don't Play This HAARP!

Advances In Tesla Technology

U. S. Government's Ground-Based "Star Wars" Weapon: High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program

Author Dr. Nick Begich, M.D.

Interviewed By Kenneth Burke

http://www.leadingedgenews.com/angels.htm

The U.S. Government has a new, ground-based "Star Wars" weapon which is being tested in the remote bush country of Alaska. This new system is intended to heat and lift a portion of the ionosphere above a selected location on the planet in order to make a huge invisible "mirror" for bouncing electromagnetic radiation back to the surface of Earth. Is it wise to poke a hole, as it will do, in Earth's electrical umbrella? Is it wise to prod a dynamic natural system without knowing how it will react? The U.S. Military claims HAARP is designed to communicate with submerged submarines and to penetrate the land with ELF (extremely low frequency) waves to search for hidden tunnels or other sites of military interest. What else can HAARP technology do? It can, according to author Nick Begich:

(1) shield a territory from interconnentinental ballistic missles,

(2) fry satellites,

(3) disrupt communications over a large area of the globe,

(4) change the chemical structure of the upper atmosphere and possibly alter the weather,

(5) affect human mental functioning, and

(6) generally impact the health of humans and other biological systems in negative ways.

This system may go fully on-line at any time, perhaps in March (1997), according to some reports. Do we, the taxpayers, deserve to know the facts about this powerful experimental weapons system that may impact us and our entire planet in negative ways? (Editor's note: this interview was published in our March/April, 1997 issue. On three occasions in 1997 Dr. Begich went to Europe to meet with environmental experts. He also gave numerous interviews and lectured to several hundred legislators and Parliamentarians representing more than 40 countries. His presentations were apparently well-received. His book, Angels Don't Play This HAARP, is now translated into German and Japanese and has been named one of the most important books of the year fir 1996. Dr. Begich recently said in a news release: "HAARP represents a small part of the hidden technologies being developed by military planners, and increasing reports in the media continue to confirm what we began to uncover several years ago." United States Secretary of Defense William Cohen apparently stated in a press briefing, while commenting on new technological threats possibly held by terrorist organizations:

"Others are engaging in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, (and) volcanoes remotely, using the use of electromagnetic waves." Dr Begich's news release adds:

"While the Secretary of Defense suggests this capability might be possessed by terrorist organizations, the U.S. military continues to deny that they also control such technology." Dr. Nick Begich and his organization Earthpulse Press may be contacted through email at drnick@alaska.net)

LE: Some people have not heard of HAARP. Can you give a "thumbnail sketch" of what this is all about?

Begich: Yes. HAARP is basically a project that's in a very infant stage here in Alaska. It's best characterized as a research project to develop a ground-based Star Wars weapons technology with a number of applications for the military. It's jointly run by the Navy and Air Force with some support, academic support, by the University of Alaska in Fairbanks. HAARP manipulates the ionosphere, which is a layer that is approximately 30 to 620 miles above the Earth's surface. It causes the ionosphere to modulate or vibrate, returning an ELF (an extremely low frequency signal) that penetrates the Earth's land masses and oceans for a number of uses, such as communicating with submarines at higher data rates than otherwise possible.

LE: How do you think HAARP could affect our health with these ELF waves?

Begich: When we look at ELF radiations coming back from the ionosphere, we know these waves can affect the living systems, including human beings. This is our primary concern. We're talking about the effects of these kinds of subtle energies on humans, such as on some forms of mental disruption in the human brain. This research was done originally at Yale University, but has been carried out in a number of other universities throughout the world. The other major health area of concern to us is ozone depletion. The ionosphere (which is a natural shield surrounding the Earth that filters out cosmic radiation, x-rays and particle streams which would make life on the planet virtually impossible if not filtered out), is the very area they are seeking to disturb, or as they say, "perturb," with these high energy experiments. It's our belief that, as they continue to increase power levels beyond their current levels, the health and safety risks become much greater and we start to enter into a regime with which no one has really experimented.

LE: We were talking with a scientist and he said that when the government exploded the first atomic bomb, they (the scientists) didn't know whether or not it would destroy the entire world because they had never exploded one. And, they didn't care. The government was determined to explode it anyway, regardless of the risk of destroying our whole civilization. Is this the situation with HAARP?

Begich: Yes. That's very true. The problem is that when you start manipulating systems which are so interwoven in this entire global system, you can't touch one part without affecting another.

I think we need to be more prudent and more cautious and less reckless in our science. When you look at the miliary track record concerning environmental sciences and the testing of weapons programs, whether it was the '40's, '50's and '60's in Nevada, where people were being irradiated; whether it was in Alaska, where they injected radioactive iodine in the Native American populations to see what would happen; or the number of other programs that we hear about from time to time, it is clear that we need a more cautious approach.

As an example of how the secrecy syndrome has evolved in the United States, I read a Washington Post article this summer which reported that 40% of the Air Force equipment budget is for black projects. These are the projects so secret that even the U.S. Congress doesn't know what they're funding.

LE: What are your main concerns about HAARP?

Begich: We're concerned about the effects on living organisms.

Another aspect is the project's potential to interfere with migration patterns of certain species. The effect on weather is another issue that concerns us. Also, HAARP has pulsed frequencies that trigger correlating frequencies in the human brain that can actually change the behavior of humans over a very broad geographic area! When radio frequencies are pulsed at the low end, say in the one to six Hertz range, people become very passive, relaxed and sluggish. On the opposite end, if the pulse rate was cranked up to between fifteen and thirty Hertz, people would be much more active, even agitated. Others would be really stressed, tense and intense with the people around them. Jose Delgado at Yale University demonstrated this using pulsed radio waves. He was able to move primates and humans from a state of lethargy, almost asleep, to the point of high agitation and anger, like turning on and off a light switch. That is a huge jump in technology. This is a big issue and should be a big issue!

The idea of influencing human behavior is so foundational to who we are and such a violation of who we are that, without proper public debate, I think we are making a huge mistake.

The other aspect of this is that as these weapons technologies develop, people will say, "Well, you know, the international community will get involved." Indeed, in this case, they have begun to do so. What many people don't realize is that many international agreements have provisions that exclude domestic use. As an example, the most recent chemical and biological weapons treaty ban agreed to by one hundred countries has one exemption. That exemption is that countries can continue to develop biological and chemical agents for domestic use provided that it is done for policing and/or riot control actions. In other words, weapons that the United States cannot use against its declared enemies could, in fact, be used, whether it is a gas or biological agent, against U.S. citizens! Almost every international agreement has similar provisions. In our book, Angels Don't Play This HAARP, paragraphs and pages are cited within those documents so readers can look this up for themselves. That's a scary realization! We also cite the actual policy that allows for use of this weaponry against the U.S. public by the Justice Department. Last year (1996) after our book was published, $22 million went into funding that transfer of technology from the Department of Defense to the Department of Justice. So, what the military can no longer do under international agreements, the U.S. Department of Justice can do and be totally in compliance, because our domestic law has not addressed the issue in the appropriate way.

LE: What are other things the HAARP technology can do?

Begich: Well, here we are (in 1997) about to launch into this technology, of which HAARP is but a small part of the overall theater of magnetic warfare. This concept needs public debate and discussion before we launch something that we may regret.

LE: Can you discuss positive uses of ELF waves? We only hear of negative ones usually.

Begich: There are some very good ones. I have friends in Europe (in fact we're publishing a book called The Electric Spark of Life) who developed a method of low frequency, but it is a pulsed electric current, for electro-acupuncture. They're also using a pulsed laser acupuncture method. They've treated thousands and thousands of people very successfully using these methods in Europe. Pulsed energy light and sound devices are used for brain wave entrainment for individuals. There are a number of technologies developed to improve natural human mental abilities, as well as to improve health. Like anything, the intent of the operator and the knowledge of the operator determine whether something is used for good or bad.

If we can shift our emphasis from "kill systems" to "living systems" using this knowledge, we can truly address some serious problems dealing with health conditions.

An application developed by Dr. Bernard Eastlund, the inventor of the original HAARP technology, is the combination HAARP technology with a fusion torch, which can be used for burning low-level radioactive waste and neutralizing that waste while producing energy from it. That's an interesting environmental technology. He thought about the HAARP technology being used for replenishing ozone in the upper atmosphere and for decreasing pollutants by accessing the resident frequencies that would generate and create chemical reactions in the upper atmosphere. Getting rid of air pollution by using this kind of system is an incredible application!

LE: Can this technology be used to program people to do things?

(Editor's note: We heard from what we consider a reliable source, about a report from the Soviet Union concerning a "device" being directed at workers in a school yard with instructions being mentally "sent" to them somehow, directing them to put down their tools, go to the school door and ask their supervisor if anything else was needed to be done that day. The workers, according to this report, did exactly that. We did not see the actual report, but we believe that the person who told us about it was in integrity)

Begich: In terms of causing specific information transfers, we don't think so. I say that because we don't know enough about where they are headed beyond today. Now, in terms of affecting overall behavior, that it can do. In terms of being able to direct it specifically, as we understand HAARP today, it can't be done. However, a smaller system, using the same basic technology, could very well do it. In fact, we know that there are tactical weapons systems which utilize pulsed microwaves. These were shown on 60 Minutes (in 1996) to affect behavior. Those smaller systems have been around for a long time and are even being discussed publicly in superficial ways. The concept of creating a point of high agitation within a population is very possible. As we see it, HAARP covers a bigger geographic area, and this entire area is subjected to the returning ELF frequencies. The energy densities are sufficient when it cranks up that it gets even more profound in its effect, and behavioral changes can happen. And you don't know it's happening. It's not some type of violation that happens as when a bullet pierces tissue. It's a violation that is much more subtle and difficult to put your finger on.

LE: Some years ago we saw a video of a man who had invented a weather control machine that he claimed could redirect the jet stream air currents in different ways at certain times, creating fluxuation in the weather. He offered his technology, he said, to the United States government and they weren't interested.

Begich: The reason the United States government probably told him they weren't interested was because they already had his technology! In China Lakes, the Navy operates a research facility. In the early 1970's the government ran four programs there. At the time the names were even classified. They have been declassified at this point I believe. They were called "Rainmaker I" and "Rainmaker II." These were utilizing electrostatics and other methods for manipulating weather patterns from 1971 to 1974. The Russians were experimenting at the same time. There was a Congressional investigation because of a huge power outage in Canada at that time and the suggestion that artificial weather modification might be responsible. Out of that period of time came the Weather Warfare Treaties in 1976. This tells us that the United States and Russia were starting to create problems that were not so easily reigned in. The treaties were strong enough so that everyone got scared and felt they ought to sign off on them.

Putting this into a modern context, take a look at how the Earth releases its energy. It releases it in a couple of different ways. If you look at earthquakes' density, intensity, depth and frequency, you can see a very clear pattern over the last thirty years of gradual increase and, now, a much more marked interest in the last five years. In conjunction with that, over the last thirty years, look at the changes in weather patterns globally, and you will see, again, a very pronounced curve, particularly in the last five or six years, not just in the United States but everywhere. In the midst of all of this, along the "acupuncture meridians" of the planet, we're about to release huge amounts of man-made energy with HAARP. Where is the straw that breaks the camel's back in all of this science? We don't really know but we may push the button to find out.

LE: Do you have any additional thoughts you'd care to share?

Begich: Yes. The most important thing that needs to be said in all of this is that "individuals still matter!" Make a difference by your inquiries to Congress. A handful of us brought this issue out initially, and I can say with knowledge, there is confidence, and, still, within this system (that we live in on planet Earth), the opportunity for creating change still exists. Take a position on the issue! Then, do something with it! Don't just sit around and let it roll around inside your head. Actually put it out there and do something with your knowledge!

HAARP is not the only system available for taking advantage of these new technologies. The military has developed smaller weapons systems for use in battlefield applications. These new weapons were disclosed in documents authored and compiled by the United States Air Force. The documents indicated that these weapons can be used for mind control, for inducing heart attacks, causing electronic failures and creating computer malfunctions. More recently, information about these new weapons has been revealed in International Red Cross documents and in other press reports. In a CBS 60 Minutes broadcast on February 11, 1996, a report on some of these new systems was shown. The CBS program discussed some of the effects of these new weapons which included disorientation and flu-like symptoms being caused.

This new classification of weapons has created some level of concern by military planners, to find a way to introduce these systems (into our society). The United States Army has developed a concept called the "Revolution In Military Affairs (RMA)" which begins to unfold the weapons introduction plan. What this document points out is that many of these weapons will operate in a way which is in conflict with American values! The document reveals that the Army acknowledges the conflict with American values and openly discusses the problem that this presents. The document then describes a number of ways to reshape those values so that these new weapons can be used! The basic problem, from my perspective, is that the U.S. Army's role in the American scene is not intended to shape and form public values. Rather, it is supposed to "reflect" American values. The idea that any branch of government should see their role as one of "setting" the national ethic (rather than reflecting it) is, in my opinion, wrong!

[timfix]

*shrugs*

Hey, you asked.

Informed? Heck, It's what I do for a living. I'm a Network Engineer. I got a degree and everything.

well then please respond after you become "further" informed

[Space Commander Travis]

well then please respond after you become "further" informed

Yeah, Aquatus! For goodness sake catch up on a few Youtube videos. All that "science" stuff, it's so 20th century. Honestly.

[Sweetpumper]

How long before aquatus is on timmy's ignore list? Soon.

[Tokie]

WOW i think my eyes fell out a few pages ago!!!!!! Anyway I heard about this years ago from a friend so I did some research and checked them out my self sitting outside. It look plasable to me so I decided to ask an expert on planes, so I ran inside and got my dad brought him outside. I explaned to him what I had been told and showed him a contrail that had been hanging there for about 2 hours. He looked at me and laughed for the next 2 hours he expland to me how and why contrails worked.

Now what you ask whould make my father an expert on such things? Well you see my family has been in the airline industry sine it begain. My grandfater was there the day Pan-Am took its first commercal flight and my father was there for the last. Not to mention Eastern witch my grandfather also worked for after my Father joined Pan-am. My father spent almost 40 years working in this line of work and my grandfater spent all his life doing it 50 plus years so almost 90 years of experince convinced me they might just know alittle something about contrails. Alittle frozen water never hurt anyone, ok well every once in awhile they dump their Tolit water in the wrong place and a big chunk of frozen pooh water falls to the land instead of the water (not sure they even dump them anymore like that just saying keep an eye out for frozen pooh) but trust me it wont hit more than 2 people at a time.

[Sweetpumper]

keep an eye out for frozen pooh