Jump to content
Join the Unexplained Mysteries community today! It's free and setting up an account only takes a moment.
- Sign In or Create Account -

Chinese Military is no match for US Army!


Dr. Strangehug

Recommended Posts

Everyone actually commenting here on who would win between China and the USA but does anyone actually know what training the Chinese go through and anything about their Military units and special forces combat preparation programs?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 354
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

  • Commander CMG

    60

  • SnakeProphet

    34

  • british_patriot

    30

  • Stixxman

    24

Everyone actually commenting here on who would win between China and the USA but does anyone actually know what training the Chinese go through and anything about their Military units and special forces combat preparation programs?

722433[/snapback]

I was looking for that before... didn't find much and I can't read chinese. hmm.gif

I did find this though quite an interesting read: China's Hollow Military

People's Liberation Army Info

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Exactly most people posting here have no idea about other countries training programs but are quite happily to say USA would win over the chinese. The Chinese army special operations units are called dadu and are very similar to US Special Forces Units. Two of these dadu are assigned to the Guangzhou Military Region and the Shanghai Shi Military Region and are described as NAVY SEAL type units trained for amphibious and counter insurgency operations using These units are well equipped and candidates initial training lasts three years (and is considered college education).

Army special forces units specialize in gathering information on the enemy, on the weather and on targets behind enemy lines (in addition to raids). They attempt to identify and locate enemy command posts, reserves, weapons of mass destruction, other key weapons, logistics assets and river crossing units. They also specialize in forward control of precision strike weapons used by other military forces. These units have names rather than numbers. For example, the one in the Nanjing Military Region is called the Brave Tigers Unit. And the one at Chengdu is the Hunting Leopard Unit.

The PLAN Marines have four or five smaller dadu. Most, or all, of these are assigned to the two Marine Brigades. There are two types: a recon unit and a frogman unit. The recon unit (200 to 300 men) is similar to American Force Recon marines, and it lands on a beach, under cover of darkness, one hour before the first assault. Its mission is to neutralize key defense positions and remove obstacles. The frogman unit is only a platoon and it conducts operations from submarines and stealth boats. In the First Marine Brigade, these units are entirely female.

Edited by XSAS
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm not trying to be overly patriotic, but to say US Marines aren't S#!T is laughable. America is the military leader. No matter what. America spends the most money on military research, training, equipment in the world. Not to start a riot because I believe the English military has some very well-trained soldiers, but having a bigger budget to spend means the better the training is.

When it comes to the Chinese. It isn't about more people equals more power. Perhaps if we were fighting with swords and muskets, but we're not. Stealth bombers, and smart missiles all cost money, something the US has plenty of. Like the article says they are out of date. In my opinion, the quality of life determines much of a person's patriotism. Many Chinese are not happy with their quality of life. Many Americans are, and are willing to die for it. America has patriotism that is unmatched.

I am 19, I am not going to fight war, nor have I joined the army. I have registered for the draft, and you can believe if any aggressive force stepped foot on American soil I would be more than willing to die defending my way of life. Basically I don't believe America will go picking a war with China, but if they were to ever attempt an invasion. They would lose horribly.

722368[/snapback]

Which part of this is not a discussion on comparisons between who has the best trained Military don't you understand, firstly don't comment on something you don't understand and secondly try to keep this discussion on topic.

722410[/snapback]

With a name of a thread like "Chinese Military is no match for US Army!" Of course that is going to create comparisons. I was not comparing America to England, but when someone says "US Marines aren't S#!T." That is rude and insulting. Despite your views of the war in Iraq many US Marines that have families just like you are dying. To say something so disrespectful about any soldier from any country is the mark of a coward.

I understand well enough what the article that started this forum is saying. It says China's military is out of date.

# Its 2.8 million-person army is the world's largest but is poorly trained and equipped.

# Its 8,500 tanks are slow, small and out-of-date.

# The 4,000 fighter planes in the Chinese air force are mostly from the 1960s and 1970s and lack modern avionics.

# Its navy's 61 submarines and 54 surface ships are capable of little more than coastal patrols.

Those are fairly easy statistics to understand. From what I can see, they are at a disadvantage.

Sticking to the topic of this thread. It's clear that you are knowledgable of the Chinese military training, but have you looked into the training of American soldiers. I'm sure you will find that is just as intense, if not more, than the training of the Chinese.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

# Its 8,500 tanks are slow, small and out-of-date.

Our Abrams M1's would cream them!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

How many do you have of those Abrams tanks?

722766[/snapback]

We have quite a lot... really screw up a lot of crap with them also! devil.gif *cheers* for tankers everywhere! grin2.gif

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I mean just to compare the numbers.How many chinese tanks would have an abrams to take out,so that it can be considered a "succesful attack"?

Edited by Snake_6024
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I mean just to compare the numbers.How many chinese tanks would have an abrams to take out,so that it can be considered a "succesful attack"?

722786[/snapback]

A lot... there are reports of Abrams taking more then FIFTY RPG's and enemy fire and still going on in battle screwing up everyhing that moves that isn't American or allied! grin2.gif Abrams tank is without question the world's best main battle tank. Look at operation deserst storm... 3 Iraqi tanks (ex-SU) attacked a stuck Abrams... fired on it with HEAT ( High-explosive anti-tank) without damage! Abrams took both out... 3rd one thought it would be cool to go through the smoke... the Abrams used their TIS (Thermal Imaging Sight) to see them throug it all and blew the mothers out of this world! THREE T-72 tanks defeated by ONE Abrams tank while it was stuck in the sand unable to move! HOOAH!!! w00t.gif

Our tanks can take out one and still call it a good job. thumbsup.gif

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm not trying to be overly patriotic, but to say US Marines aren't S#!T is laughable. America is the military leader. No matter what. America spends the most money on military research, training, equipment in the world. Not to start a riot because I believe the English military has some very well-trained soldiers, but having a bigger budget to spend means the better the training is.

When it comes to the Chinese. It isn't about more people equals more power. Perhaps if we were fighting with swords and muskets, but we're not. Stealth bombers, and smart missiles all cost money, something the US has plenty of. Like the article says they are out of date. In my opinion, the quality of life determines much of a person's patriotism. Many Chinese are not happy with their quality of life. Many Americans are, and are willing to die for it. America has patriotism that is unmatched.

I am 19, I am not going to fight war, nor have I joined the army. I have registered for the draft, and you can believe if any aggressive force stepped foot on American soil I would be more than willing to die defending my way of life. Basically I don't believe America will go picking a war with China, but if they were to ever attempt an invasion. They would lose horribly.

722368[/snapback]

Which part of this is not a discussion on comparisons between who has the best trained Military don't you understand, firstly don't comment on something you don't understand and secondly try to keep this discussion on topic.

722410[/snapback]

With a name of a thread like "Chinese Military is no match for US Army!" Of course that is going to create comparisons. I was not comparing America to England, but when someone says "US Marines aren't S#!T." That is rude and insulting. Despite your views of the war in Iraq many US Marines that have families just like you are dying. To say something so disrespectful about any soldier from any country is the mark of a coward.

I understand well enough what the article that started this forum is saying. It says China's military is out of date.

# Its 2.8 million-person army is the world's largest but is poorly trained and equipped.

# Its 8,500 tanks are slow, small and out-of-date.

# The 4,000 fighter planes in the Chinese air force are mostly from the 1960s and 1970s and lack modern avionics.

# Its navy's 61 submarines and 54 surface ships are capable of little more than coastal patrols.

Those are fairly easy statistics to understand. From what I can see, they are at a disadvantage.

Sticking to the topic of this thread. It's clear that you are knowledgable of the Chinese military training, but have you looked into the training of American soldiers. I'm sure you will find that is just as intense, if not more, than the training of the Chinese.

722694[/snapback]

Just for the record yes I have looked into the US training programs we trained alongside and also trained your US Navy seals Counter terrorist tecniques for years and still do, I am not saying the Chinese are better trained I am merely explaning that many here are commenting on a subject they know nothing about.

The US marines have a poor training program even the US senior military officials accept that so please don't compare them so smaller better trained units, I have yet to see other countries shoot down and at their own planes and even rocket attack convoys flying US flags and lets not even start on the friendly fire issue.

My input was that many of the chiunese units go through similar training to many of the specialist US units.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I mean just to compare the numbers.How many chinese tanks would have an abrams to take out,so that it can be considered a "succesful attack"?

722786[/snapback]

A lot... there are reports of Abrams taking more then FIFTY RPG's and enemy fire and still going on in battle screwing up everyhing that moves that isn't American or allied!

THREE T-72 tanks defeated by ONE Abrams tank while it was stuck in the sand unable to move! HOOAH!!! w00t.gif

Our tanks can take out one and still call it a good job. thumbsup.gif

722804[/snapback]

In WWII it was pretty much the other way round; our (British and American) tanks were on the whole outclassed by the Germans, (they reckoned that two of our tanks would be destroyed for every German one), but we were able to outmanouver them through weight of numbers and control of the air. Fuel supply and logistics is crucial as well; a tank without fuel is basically just a pillbox, and unless it happens to have come to a halt in a particularly important spot is pretty useless. So quality still has to balanced against quantity.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Good point and a proven historical one.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think you XSAS are being just as ignorant as everyone else in regards to understanding the militaries of the world....the average U.S. Marine is DIFFERENT than Royal Marine.......not any less of a soldier......American Marines are used in far better numbers with far better equipment........AND far better back up.....AND far better communications....all these are what people who deal in military strategy call FORCE MULTIPLIERS.......

which means....all the technology and training TOGETHER can make fighting 10 U.S. Marines comparable to fighting 20 Royal Marines......its what happens when your country can afford to RECRUIT large amounts of soldiers....and by the way...the chinese military only outnumbers the U.S> military by about 2-1....some would argue 3-1....but take into account all the force multipliers of BOTH sides....and the U.S. is clearly the winner.....against the Chinese.....OR the Royal Marines......even if they have better training....you could train well with out-dated or sub-standard equipment all day but in the end....the country that can provide decent training to ALL its soldiers, feed its soldiers EVERYDAY....EVEN during wartime.......can back its marines up with the best planes, helicopters, warships, carriers, submarines, communications, precision-guided cruise missiles......etc........in the world......that country is the winner.........and that country just so happens to be the U.S.

We can banter back and forth ALL DAY.........we can say....the U.S. Marines aren't trained as well as the Royal Marines.......or we could say the Chinese have MORE soldiers.....but we all know, and the world knows.....that the U.S. Military can put the hurt on anyone, anywhere.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

In WWII it was pretty much the other way round; our (British and American) tanks were on the whole outclassed by the Germans, (they reckoned that two of our tanks would be destroyed for every German one), but we were able to outmanouver them through weight of numbers and control of the air.  Fuel supply and logistics is crucial as well; a tank without fuel is basically just a pillbox, and unless it happens to have come to a halt in a particularly important spot is pretty useless. So quality still has to balanced against quantity.

723252[/snapback]

Yeah... did you see the reason why we were able to out-manouver them? A mechanic came up with the idea of welding on spikes to take down trees and bushes in the front of the tanks because of the terrian ahead of them. Crews worked day and night welding them for as many tanks as possible. Then when the Germans came we got them. thumbsup.gif But wow... before that it was horrible. The Germans just thrashed us horribly tank vs tank.

Fuel is a problem yes, but our tanks right now get roughly 275 miles (443.5 km) per tank, with full armor, at the cruising speed of 45 mph (72.6 km/h).

Now look today! The M1A1 was just upgraded with TUSK (Tank Urban Survival Kit)so the Main Battle Tank is even better!

Edited by __Kratos__
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The tanks in Iraq that the Iraqis were using is close to the same type of tank the Chinese use.......the M1A2 Abrams tank was designed to fight Russian tanks in Europe in the event of a Russian invasion...as was the Apache....don't get me started on how the U.S. spent billions of dollars posturing in Europe so the Brits and the Frogs could be safe from Ivan.......anyways......the M1A2 is DESIGNED to fight what the Chinese have.....a huge majority of the Chinese tanks can't even pierce the Abrams's armor!*lol* Not only that......but can't shoot as far....and the targeting systems on them are WAY out-dated....we would see them WAY before they would see us...they'd be dead before they even knew we were there.......our tanks......when properly supported by infantry and aircraft, would wipe the ground with ANY force in the world.

We have the largest air force in the world, made up of the BEST aircraft in the world.......so its a moot point anyways...we could have the same quality tank as everyone else and STILL when a land engagement just because we would would control the air with our outstanding air force.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Dr. Strangehug, do you have actual intel info about the military abilities and tech at this day? They are upgrading their forces and tech at high speed.

Also, its rare that your hiper-high tech army is having serious problem wit irregular troops using equiptment older than the chinese. And fighting them the USA armed forces are streched. Unless the USA use the draft and ann extesive and intensive mass troop trining, i cant see the USA fighting the chinese and the current enemies it have.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The tanks were designed to take out the russians in EUROPE.China has a slighly different climate and countryside.Russian equipment may be old, but it's adaptability is unmatched and I'm not only talking about the AK.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Propably not,but there will be A LOT of power-demonstrations and sabre-rattling on both sides,I think.

Edited by Snake_6024
Link to comment
Share on other sites

In the sort and medium term, i agreed whit you, the chise and the USA have their economy too much interlaced to go to war. But in the large term, i am not soo sure. And you have also the posibilitie of a nutjob takking the power in one of the two powers.

PD: I consider Bush an puppet, not a nutjob.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Its easy. You just need a paranoic/megalomaniac/religios nutjob/fanatic in one of both sides, and boom, you have the posibilitie of war . You have people and groups in both sides that see the other side has demons or something worse, be the the political (the evil commie/americans) or the religious (the evil atheist commies/deluded religion followers ) aspects. Or just a malagomaniac has i said that want to conquer the world like the leader of NK.

Edited by Mekorig
Link to comment
Share on other sites

From what you have said, that gives you the possibility of a terroist attack on one country from another, that would be proabably not result in war. I wouldn't have thought anyway.

I doubt that people would now be able to lead a government if they were indeed like that, I know that seems ironic considering the past of the 20th century, I just don't think anyone would allow it to happen again.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The USA will never have a war with the Chinese. In my very strong opinion anyway.

724325[/snapback]

Probably, right. If we ever did it wouldn't just be America vs China, the whole world would be involved. It would be the war that would shake the world.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

yeh it wont happen. no war between china and usa. though i do think that china would win..

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.