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We already have a perpetual motion machine!! :lol:

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RabidCat

I am an honest person and lacking in tact. You testing me ^_^ ? I guess it is fair afterall, I did with you, but you failed to take it up, explain the underlying principle behind your perpetual motion machine or cease to make your claims. Since you are an Engineer I guess I have gotten away with it.

Fundamentally electronic devices operate via different "states" in solid state material, on or off. The simplest unit of the device is a transistor, it has 3 input, let me call them input output and the gate. By doping the input and output ends with different metallic compounds, we are able to generate an electric field to oppose electric currents across the input/output ends. The gate manipulates the electric field into allowing different "states" to past through. That is the essence of a pnp/npn transistor, however, all transistors operates via an electric field to control the states. By generating a strong electric field across an electronic device, we built up charges that screws up the operation, if it was large enough the charge might even destroy the integrity of the transistors that makes up the device.

Back to class. You are confusing bipolar and fet transistors. And 1's and 0's are generally applicable to digital technology, the rest is linear. Know what a load line is? Nah. You didn't read the book.

The question is Where is this 'strong electric field' coming from in the original statement about solenoids, and NOT how does a transistor work.

I made no claims to 'perpetual motion'; I did make claims that devices can be constructed which will run until something breaks or wears out, in essence. If bearings could be frictionless, caps made to work forever, plastics not deteriorate, then yes, perpetual motion can be done. And free energy can be supplied.

I am bound contractually to non-disclosure: all I can do is to point direction. That I shall.

google Gray motor. Find, if you can, Tesla's experiments with the Faraday wheel. google Bearden. google John Searle. google ecklin's generator.

google switched reluctance. Apply this to what the original statement was about solenoids, keeping in mind that a switched reluctance motor is nothing more than a rotating solenoid. If you do this (ALL OF YOU), there is a key to making a super-efficient motor (energy can neither be created nor destroyed).

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Shai_Hulud
Back to class. You are confusing bipolar and fet transistors.
Really? MosFET, MesFET, Bipolar junction FET all operate by inhibiting current flow via an electric field at the gate. In the cas I was describing the gate happens to lie between the2 junction.

Know what a load line is? Nah. You didn't read the book.
What do you think causes the IV characteristics, the electric field!

The question is Where is this 'strong electric field' coming from in the original statement about solenoids
the original question was why there is a need to protect electronics from an electric field. I answered that by a decription of how electronic devices work and conclude with the answer. The electric field generated in the solenoid is because of the coupling between electric field, magnetic field and velocity of course, the vectors for this effects given by the right hand rule. Due to the moving charge which generates an electric field and the circular velocity, a noticeable magnetic field is formed by the solenoid.

I made no claims to 'perpetual motion'; I did make claims that devices can be constructed which will run until something breaks or wears out, in essence. If bearings could be frictionless, caps made to work forever, plastics not deteriorate, then yes, perpetual motion can be done. And free energy can be supplied.

Sure nonwithstanding, that if I was given free energy, I will be able to construct a pertetual motion machine. You create a feedback loop where your machine actually gains the sum of energy wrt time. Super efficient machine can never exceed 100% efficiency which is what free energy is all about.

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Really? MosFET, MesFET, Bipolar junction FET all operate by inhibiting current flow via an electric field at the gate. In the cas I was describing the gate happens to lie between the2 junction.

What do you think causes the IV characteristics, the electric field!

the original question was why there is a need to protect electronics from an electric field. I answered that by a decription of how electronic devices work and conclude with the answer. The electric field generated in the solenoid is because of the coupling between electric field, magnetic field and velocity of course, the vectors for this effects given by the right hand rule. Due to the moving charge which generates an electric field and the circular velocity, a noticeable magnetic field is formed by the solenoid.

Sure nonwithstanding, that if I was given free energy, I will be able to construct a pertetual motion machine. You create a feedback loop where your machine actually gains the sum of energy wrt time. Super efficient machine can never exceed 100% efficiency which is what free energy is all about.

Just exactly what is a bipolar JFET? Closest I can come is an IGBT. Seems in all those years I would have heard of and used such a thing.

No. The original question was why must a driver be protected from the solenoid. In all your circumlocutions you have still not answered that. The above is right out of an elementary physics book.

Moreover, you have not done the homework I suggested, to wit: look up the aforementioned individuals.

You might also, in your wanderings, explain why Tesla's version (and many other versions) of the Faraday wheel shows no real drag other than frictional losses when energy is pulled from the machine. Don't believe it? Build one yourself and try it. Don't just spout old 'conventional wisdom'. Instead of cultist elitist words, do some experimentation. Build an Ecklin generator. Look at Bearden's stuff.

This has become very boring: I've heard it all before, and I no longer teach neophytes my art. If you can't come up with something new, don't come up with anything.

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Frosty

A unit the size of a quanta cannot be approximated as a small particle.

I'd just like to state that light is both a wave and a particle. So, how do you propose to reduce it to a wave and not a particle?

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Michel

Face it, anything is possible. Most things that are in existence today were said to be impossible at one point in time until someone invented it.

You are right!!!

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RabidCat

Ok, back to the original gravity thing. Michel had a posting for a gravity powered free energy machine. Here's another, and please don't haggle with this, as the Mythbusters did; BECAUSE IT WORKS, AND THOSE CREATURES HAVE NO CONCEPT OF WHAT THE H* THEY ARE DOING. The thing was patented in the '80s, and is available through a patent search. It is public domain, as the inventor wanted to use it as a public service to sell his generators (which produced 60Hz 120v at any reasonable rpm).

Now... The wheel is slow, yes. It works at about 1 rpm, so gearing is required. The original disclosure (and article in Popular Science) had a 14 foot diameter wheel with propane tanks (5 gal) at the ends; tanks are connected opposing, and one is filled with the other empty, sort of like a ferris wheel. The tanks that fill in operation are pulled down by gravity into a water reservoir heated by solar power. The temp differential is a minimum of 3.5 F, so the solar panels required can be relatively small and inefficient. Most work is done by gravity, except for lifting the propane to the wheel top; that is accomplished by the fluid properties and the solar heat.

Any half-decent analysis will show that the wheel will work. The original invention tested (that is TESTED, friends and neighbors; not theorized) at 8.14 hp at 1 rpm. The gearing used was chain wheels rather than gears (like bike sprockets and chains), and the generator was a cheap Chinese permanent magnet generator.

Should be relatively easy to find the original patent and get a copy. Anyone having the space and desire can build one and use it for house power. Cost should be relatively small, and if you do some research on solar collectors, for instance the Florida State U system, then you should be able to put a wheel together so that most days are solar days, and propane heat backup will be minimal. Also remember that the backup does nothing more than warm the water puddle, it does NOT do work, per se. Work is done by gravity.

I can give help to those that might need it. Don't know the patent number, but do know how it works.

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Blizno

Ok, back to the original gravity thing. Michel had a posting for a gravity powered free energy machine. Here's another, and please don't haggle with this, as the Mythbusters did; BECAUSE IT WORKS, AND THOSE CREATURES HAVE NO CONCEPT OF WHAT THE H* THEY ARE DOING. The thing was patented in the '80s, and is available through a patent search. It is public domain, as the inventor wanted to use it as a public service to sell his generators (which produced 60Hz 120v at any reasonable rpm).

Now... The wheel is slow, yes. It works at about 1 rpm, so gearing is required. The original disclosure (and article in Popular Science) had a 14 foot diameter wheel with propane tanks (5 gal) at the ends; tanks are connected opposing, and one is filled with the other empty, sort of like a ferris wheel. The tanks that fill in operation are pulled down by gravity into a water reservoir heated by solar power. The temp differential is a minimum of 3.5 F, so the solar panels required can be relatively small and inefficient. Most work is done by gravity, except for lifting the propane to the wheel top; that is accomplished by the fluid properties and the solar heat.

Any half-decent analysis will show that the wheel will work. The original invention tested (that is TESTED, friends and neighbors; not theorized) at 8.14 hp at 1 rpm. The gearing used was chain wheels rather than gears (like bike sprockets and chains), and the generator was a cheap Chinese permanent magnet generator.

Should be relatively easy to find the original patent and get a copy. Anyone having the space and desire can build one and use it for house power. Cost should be relatively small, and if you do some research on solar collectors, for instance the Florida State U system, then you should be able to put a wheel together so that most days are solar days, and propane heat backup will be minimal. Also remember that the backup does nothing more than warm the water puddle, it does NOT do work, per se. Work is done by gravity.

I can give help to those that might need it. Don't know the patent number, but do know how it works.

I thought this thread was about free energy. The machine you describe collects sunlight to heat the water, which provides the energy to drive the machine. It sounds like the warm water drives the propane from the low tank to the high tank and gravity pulls the high tank down because it has become heavier than the now-empty low tank. The propane in the high tank probably cools as the upper tank moves toward the water and then gets heated by the water to continue the cycle. Without the energy from the sunlight, there'd be nothing to drive the propane from the low tank to the high tank. This machine wouldn't work at night without some other source of energy to heat the water. It may run for a while until the water tank cools but that's just from solar energy stored during the day.

I wonder if this principal is the same as the gadgets made of glass with a bulb at each end. You hold the lower bulb in your hand and the fluid is driven into the uper bulb, where it stays until it cools. The difference in temperature between your hand and the air drives the action. Your hand gets slightly colder and the air gets slightly warmer.

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RabidCat

I thought this thread was about free energy. The machine you describe collects sunlight to heat the water, which provides the energy to drive the machine. It sounds like the warm water drives the propane from the low tank to the high tank and gravity pulls the high tank down because it has become heavier than the now-empty low tank. The propane in the high tank probably cools as the upper tank moves toward the water and then gets heated by the water to continue the cycle. Without the energy from the sunlight, there'd be nothing to drive the propane from the low tank to the high tank. This machine wouldn't work at night without some other source of energy to heat the water. It may run for a while until the water tank cools but that's just from solar energy stored during the day.

I wonder if this principal is the same as the gadgets made of glass with a bulb at each end. You hold the lower bulb in your hand and the fluid is driven into the uper bulb, where it stays until it cools. The difference in temperature between your hand and the air drives the action. Your hand gets slightly colder and the air gets slightly warmer.

You are correct in your assumptions.

Free energy, by our classical definition, is energy we don't need to pay for , or anything that takes us off the grid.

I mentioned the U of Florida and their experimental device. What they did is to use a set of collectors (hyperbolic, if I remember correctly) that concentrated the sunlight to a single tube in each collector and obtained fairly high temperatures. The fluid used was cottonseed oil, and the pipes fed through an insulated underground storage facility with a cubic foot of lead. The same type of arrangement could be used for this thing, except that the U of F wanted to cook with the fluid, so they set up to use the lead at change of state, which stores the most heat, so the final temps were above 700 F. This needs far less energy to do its generation so not so many collectors would be needed, and temps can be far less. As to time, the U of F was able to cook with the cubic foot of lead for a month, so the same cube would probably supply the wheel for much longer than required, possibly in the winter months up north. Any sun will heat the collectors, provided some insulation is used on the pipes.

Anyway, it sounded good to me at the time (80s), and would have built one if I had been in a situation where I was away from cities.

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saidanddone

So is this possible: you have a tank of water above two water wheels, water flows down,making both wheels spin. One wheel generates electricity, and another generates the pump.

Also, using a huge antimatter explosion, could man focus that energy onto a wormhole in a vacum and enlarge it to decent size, wormhole lends right to a magnetar, and we put a 3 mile lond coil through and the magnetar could generate billions of mega-watts.

Wh-what? ?????

Anyway...there is an energy machine that does not require fuel, and would only require kinetic energy; you lifting and turning it (many times! and every time you want energy). It is a tesla coil generator, like the ones in those flashlights that you shake up. It uses "faraday's principle of magnetic induction" (?) (at least thats what the website says) to power the flashlight. Take a look of this very crude drawing I made with paint:

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Besides, I wish that we would rely on hydrogen power; it's only byproduct is WATER. Now thats cool!

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Shai_Hulud
I'd just like to state that light is both a wave and a particle.
in certain circumstances, light can be approximated as particles. This does not mean there are quantas of photons zipping around nor can conventional theories of thermodynamics apply to such an item.

The original question was why must a driver be protected from the solenoid.
No, the question you asked was "explain to everyone why it is necessary to protect electronics from the discharge of the fields". I have explain it and more. I do not understand what you mean by a driver.

You understand I do not have the time or inclination to test every dubious theories on the net. Tesla was given to flight of fancies, seriously did anyone believed his "Death ray Machine"? If you want to play "amatuer scientist", you will need to develop a thicker skin to withstand . If you find my answers to be readily available from the internet. So much the better, it should be available to everyone then. if I remember correctly the mythbuster got the contraption to work, but that its efficiency was so low, it proved impractical as a source of energy.

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in certain circumstances, light can be approximated as particles. This does not mean there are quantas of photons zipping around nor can conventional theories of thermodynamics apply to such an item.

No, the question you asked was "explain to everyone why it is necessary to protect electronics from the discharge of the fields". I have explain it and more. I do not understand what you mean by a driver.

You understand I do not have the time or inclination to test every dubious theories on the net. Tesla was given to flight of fancies, seriously did anyone believed his "Death ray Machine"? If you want to play "amatuer scientist", you will need to develop a thicker skin to withstand . If you find my answers to be readily available from the internet. So much the better, it should be available to everyone then. if I remember correctly the mythbuster got the contraption to work, but that its efficiency was so low, it proved impractical as a source of energy.

Funny. You wouldn't answer HIS light question either.

Driver is found in the most elementary of physics and electronics books. Anyone with the most basic knowledge of control systems, to include physicists and physicists-in-training will have that definition.

No, you never did answer the original: all you did was spout inapplicable junk you found in some nonsensical physics place, with no depth whatsoever. So to put this to rest, I'll tell you what the answer is. When current flows through a solenoid of any type, including the primary of a transformer, a magnetic field (h) is produced (elementary physics). That field manifests around the conductor, and through the secondary of a transformer. When the circuit is broken, the field collapses, and that energy that was necessary to build the field (NOT to maintain it) must be discharged. The solenoid (or primary of a switching transformer) has a unique quality of conversion, as any beginner knows, to change that field back to electric power: so in operation, electric power is changed to magnetic fields, and on de-energizing, magnetic fields are converted to power. THERE IS NO PLACE FOR STORAGE OF THIS POWER WITHIN THE SOLENOID, so means of discharge must be placed within the electronics, because the solenoid doesn't care how the power is discharged. For instance, if a relay (which is a solenoid, since you probably don't know that either) uses 10 volts at 1 amp to actuate, the power is 10 watts (from elementary physics or electronics), and when it is shut off, that same power must be dissipated, because it will generate whatever voltage necessary to discharge. If it cannot find a discharge path it will destroy even the insulation on the wire; most often, it will convert the semiconductor in the driver to a bit of conductor, and the circuit will no longer operate. Got that, you less that amatuer physicist?

Yes, the mythbusters did get it to work; NOT according to the original specifications. They did nothing more than make themselves a laughinstock to those of us familiar with the original concept; those who are uninformed would no longer try, if they are so ignorant as to put any faith in mythbusters; as stated, the engineering skills of mythbusters leaves much to be desired. As to efficiency, the ability of the machine to convert solar and gravity to mechanical power is quite high; further, the fact is that after original construction, no more energy input is required from non-renewable sources. Why don't you get real and learn something instead of being such an ignoramus?

Every theory is worth at least some thought, including dubious ones. However, if I were you, I wouldn't waste the time, since thought is not among your limited capacities.

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RabidCat

"Tesla was given to flight of fancies, seriously did anyone believed his "Death ray Machine"?

After more than a century, we still do not understand everything Tesla did. Regarding his death ray, perhaps you should study a bit before commenting: he did, in fact, utilize scalar waves (naturally, you won't know what those are), and those are the basis for quite a number of unique properties of wave propagation, including the possibility of disrupting mass structure.

Tesla is credited with the practical induction motor, the fluorescent tube, the bladeless turbine, so-called "earthquake machines", and numerous other fascinating items. Remember that he was one of the most prolific inventors in history.

Shai_Hulud, you have exposed yourself as a world class ignoramus, and you are an embarassment to the worm.

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Shai_Hulud
Funny. You wouldn't answer HIS light question either.
How about you answer it? I answered to the effect that your description of photons defying 2nd law of thermodynamic is inaccurate and pointless.

How would I know what a driver is, I still don't know what you meant by your drivel above. All in all you described a transformer, big deal. I still don't see anything that can back up your claims, in fact it was I that is being badgered to prove my "qualification" to contest your claims. I claim nothing except that you are wrong, anyone who knows abit of physics know you are wrong. Your insults are worthless, I merely give out some advice to you, You are an amatuer physicist arent you?

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How about you answer it? I answered to the effect that your description of photons defying 2nd law of thermodynamic is inaccurate and pointless.

How would I know what a driver is, I still don't know what you meant by your drivel above. All in all you described a transformer, big deal. I still don't see anything that can back up your claims, in fact it was I that is being badgered to prove my "qualification" to contest your claims. I claim nothing except that you are wrong, anyone who knows abit of physics know you are wrong. Your insults are worthless, I merely give out some advice to you, You are an amatuer physicist arent you?

Typical. What one does not understand must be denigrated. First, call it drivel, second question qualifications.

Ok, this will be the last. I don't have time for you. You don't know what I meant because you know nothing of magnetics or electronics. Within that last is the backing up of my claim, and moreover, any electronics tech, engineer, or physicist will confirm what I have written. You are dead wrong, and once again I suggest you learn and understand before getting involved in a discussion about which you know nothing.

As to my qualifications, I have a master's degree in electronics engineering, have been in electronics since 1966, an engineer since 1970, have worked in aerospace, avionics, and eventually determined that control systems is my favorite area. I have been a control systems engineer for 27 years, until I removed myself from the field to play with the financial markets, allowed by the sale of several inventions.

I suspect you, on the other hand, have no qualifications. Go back to school.

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Blizno

I'm unsubscribing from this thread. This childish bickering is not interesting.

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RabidCat

I'm unsubscribing from this thread. This childish bickering is not interesting.

Me too. It would be more interesting if it were constructive criticism rather than conventional rattlings. I'm out of here.

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side show bob

There was an item on our local 60 minutes current affairs programe (New Zealand) about two months ago about a man that has claimed that he can take normal tap water and through some process the water becomes fuel..The programe showed him runnig his motorbike on water the interveiwer had just sipped to prove it was water.He has applied for world wide patents. The american miltary are appreantly very interested -we wait with interest . :tu:

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xxsunshinegodxx

All this talk about free energy is very interesting, I was recently researching for an article I am writing on Energy after the claim that Britain now faces an energy crisis, I came to the conclusion that in reality there is no energy crisis and we have long held the technology to do so, I have to agree with an earlier comment stating that the large companies would never allow it to happen, it would appear that is exactly what happened.

The chap who actually gave his name to this invention was Rudolph Diesel, who originally came up with the patent for an engine that would run off wait for it.....vegetable and animal oil. Yes thats right, when he debuted his new engine at the 1900 Paris Exposition, where he took the highest prize, the Grand Prix, he ran the engine on 100 percent peanut oil.

After he was murdered, probably by the very tycoons that took over his patent, the engine was modified to run off a new fuel called "Diesel". For every one gallon of gas produced, there's two gallons of diesel. The idea of a vegetable engine was hidden away and never mentioned again.

Ok, so its not free energy but it goes to show the extent that people will go to in order to stop technology that would provide cheaper ways for the consumer ever reaching the open market.

Now...the really interesting one. Possibly one of the greatest men in the world, certainly ranking up there with Einstein but one whos name is hardly even remembered let alone mentioned....... Nikola Tesla.

Tesla came up with a renewable and virtually perpetual motion energy device that he had hoped could power the entire world for virtually nothing and he wanted to give it to the world without charge. Coming from an Eastern European country and emigrating to the US, he had seen the highs and lows of society. For those of you unfamiliar with his work, he invented Alternating Current, the radio, x-rays and many more, a total f over 700 patents during his lifetime!

His most controversial was his "Death Ray" as it was dubbed by many who didnt understand it. Put simply, there is a place called the "Shumann Cavity" which resonates at 8hz second between earth and the bottom of the ionosphere about 60km gap, 3 dimensional resident cavity. In This cavity you can transmit power and electromagnetic energy at 8hz with almost no intenuation.

This cavity is continually pumped with mega-watts of power as there are lightning strikes going off here all the time all over the world. To harness this power correctly worked rather like a tennis ball on a rope, the kind that many of us have played with as kids. You hit the ball with a burst of lightning, it spins around the earth at a reasonable pace, you hit the ball again just at the right moment on its second time round it goes faster, you hit it again on the third time, its faster still until eventually its accumulated energy is so great that it can be pulled out of the Ionisphere and brought back down to earth by a proper antennae.

The energy that Tesla harnessed was so great that he reputedly ended up shorting out an entire states electricty grid during his first experiments.

He believed that he could provide free power to the entire world with this sysem, simply by setting up 12 antennaes that would be placed at differing points around the world. The trouvble was that this system could also be used as a weapon and so was consdered by some to be too much of a threat. Tesla knew this and so to ensure that it would not be controlled by any one country, he split his devices patent up in to 3 pieces. One went to the United States, one went to Russia and one went to China. Thus ensuring that the 3 superpowers would ahve to sit at a table together to discuss this if they wanted to take things further. Needless to say, this has not happened. All of this knowledge is only starting to come out now as the freedom of information act is releasing this in to the publi domain. After his death, the CIA took almost all of Teslas documents from his apartment in the interests of national security!

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RabidCat

Regarding Tesla (a hero to me!): the funding for his Colorado Springs project (which was actually in concert with his New York facility) was pulled when he made the statements about free power etc. Can't have that, can we?

The death ray business was apparently founded upon his research with scalar waves: Bearden claims that there has been a large amount of research into this by the military. The death ray may well be a reality.

There is also conjecture among many Tesla fans that Nikola Tesla disappeared prior to WWII, along with other scientists, to do research indepently of the governments of the world. The man who died in New York is presumed to be a double. There are apparently indications that the famous Rainbow Project included Tesla because of his expertise in magnetics and field generation. Makes for interesting stuff, but like so many other things, it's doubtful we'll ever know everything.

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Hi for the last 9 years ive been pondering on the question of perpetual motion and although ive no science or maths (both of which i would gladly except free help)

i come up with this idea, to which i think is pretty good,

Basicly i believe i found a way of harnessing a whole lot of energy by slowing down the assent of a light oil in mercury, by means of a mecanical slow release, into containers the containers form partof a convayer belt that drive the mechanical release,

It is my belief that the containers will fill (with the oil) displaceing the mercury and the pressure of the displaced mercury on the oil will force the containers up then release the oil at the top which then the oil would be returned to the sump by gravity

the pressure of all this turns the convayer which in turn (by gears) turns the mechanical oil release.

hopefully i can put a couple of my dodgey drawings on here to help picture my thoughts

but in essence the mechanical oil release turns 4 rotations to one of the convayer and for auguments sake the mechanical release delivers 2 ltr of hydrolic oil per complete turn

if me dredfull pictures come up i would appreiatte any usefull rattleings any members have to offer

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Michel

Les principes de fonctionnement et les calculs d'un flotteur du moteur 01 11357

Le fonctionnement d'un flotteur. Ex.:

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Nous fabriquons le flotteur (de volume variable) de telle façon, qu'en état du volume minimal il pèse 10 kg SOUS l'EAU, et en état de volume maximum il pèse moins que l'eau (-)10 kg, pour qu'il émerge ver la surface. Par ex., si son poids est = 110 kg, son volume est = 100 litres en son état de volume min. et 120 litres dans l'état du volume max..

Le flotteur est hermétique, à l'intérieur se trouve l'air et son mécanisme, par ex.:

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Le mécanisme comprend la masse (n'importe quelle masse en béton par ex. ou un volume remplie de sable), qui est fixée au bout d'un bras de levier. Dedans se trouvent les (ou le) ressorts à gaz, et le piston. Le ressort à gaz c'est un cylindre avec le piston, rempli par l'azote sous pression. Les ressorts à gaz, par ex. sont utilisés dans les automobiles pour le maintien de la portière arrière (ou de capot), qui s'ouvre de bas en haut.

La flotteur se trouve sous l'eau, par ex. à la profondeur 3 m, le piston tourné ver le haut, comme montré sur le dessin:

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Nous analysons que se passe :

La masse (par ex. d'un poids = 100 kg) se déplacera ver le bas, elle déplacera (attirera à l'intérieur) le piston, en diminuant le volume du flotteur et en comprimant les ressorts à gaz (auxquels nous stockons l'énergie potentielle).

A la profondeur 3 m la pression de l'eau = 0,3 kg /cm². Cette pression agit sur le piston avec la force, proportionnelle a la surfasse du piston. Si la surfasse du piston = 800 cm², l'eau à la profondeur de 3 m agira sur le piston par la force de : 800 * 0,3 = 240 kg. Au bout de bras du levier on aura 240/2 = 120 kg. Si les ressorts à gaz se trouvent au bout du levier, sur les ressorts on auras le poids de la masse (100 kg) et la force de 120 kg, provenant du piston. Au bout de bras du levier on auras : 100 + 120 = 220 kg. Nous choisissons les ressorts à gaz d'une force de poussée = 220 kg.

La flotteur diminue son volume, son poids sous l'eau devient = 10 kg et il cule ver le fond. Admettons que la profondeur de la p***ine est = 8 m. Le flotteur passe de la profondeur de 3 m jusqu'à la profondeur de 8 m. Chemin parcourus = 5 m.

Admettons que la hauteur du flotteur permet à la masse de se déplacer à la distance = 50 cm.

Le parcours de la masse = 50 cm. Puisque le piston est poussée par le milieu du levier, il passera la distance 50/2 = 25 cm. La surfasse du piston = 800 cm² * 25 cm = 20 000 cm.cube = 20 litres. Le déplacement du piston à diminué le volume du flotteur à 20 litres.

Pour un poids de 110 kg et le volume (du flotteur sous l'eau) de 100 litres, son poids (sous l'eau) est = 10 kg. Le flotteur de 10 kg "tombe" d'une hauteur des 5 m (sous l'effet de la gravitation).

Le flotteur a "tombé" (coulé) à la profondeur de 8 m. La masse à l'intérieur du flotteur se trouve en bas, le piston est déplacé (est attiré) à l'intérieur.

Maintenant nous retournons le flotteur à 180 °. Pour cela on doit lever un poids de 10 kg à la hauteur de 50 cm (le flotteur pèse sous l'eau 10 kg, la masse se trouve en bas) pour que la masse passe au dessus. Le parcourt de la masse = 50 cm.

Le flotteur se retrouvera dans cette position :

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La gravitation et les ressorts à gaz (ils rendront l'énergie accumulé) déplaceront la masse ver le bas, pousseront le piston ver le bas (de l'intérieur ver l'extérieur), ayant augmenté le volume du flotteur de 20 litres. Maintenant le flotteur est plus léger que l'eau, il pèse sous l'eau (-)10 kg et va monter ver le haut, ver la profondeur de 3 m, là on l'arrête.

Le flotteur, "en tombant" de la hauteur de 5 m produit l'énergie et pour le retourner, il faut aussi dépenser l'énergie. C.t.d., le flotteur (10 kg) "tombait" d'une hauteur de 5 m et pour le retourner, il faut le lever (son poids de 10 kg en le retournant) à une hauteur de 50 cm.

D'ici : 5 m - 0,5 m = 4,5 m - la distance, sur la quelle le flotteur produit l'énergie.

L'énergie ne dépend pas de la trajectoire, mais seulement de la hauteur.

Au dessus (à la profondeur 3 m) il faut le retourné de nouveau, en dépensant la même quantité d'énergie que en bas, et il coule, etc.

Pour que les flotteurs se retournent elles-mêmes et pour augmenter la puissance de système, nous fixons les flotteurs à une chaîne (ou les chaînes), qui contournent les roues et les flotteurs se retournent, en contournant les roues.

Par ex. comme ça :

(le schéma)

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Les flotteurs se retournent à 180 ° en haut et à 180 ° en bas, en contournant les roues et ils produisent le travail utile (l'énergie) en descendant (en coulant) et en remontant (en flottant ver le haut).

C'est tout.

Edited by Michel

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The problem is that the weight of the descending blocks is counteracted by the weight of the rising blocks. Eventually, the entire rotation grinds to a halt.

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