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iaapac

Have we listened to Limbaugh? Usually once or twice is enough for a rational person to conclude he is a raving lunatic. Let's look at what he says about drug abuse . . .

"What is missing in the drug fight is legalization. If we want to go after drugs with the same fervor and intensity with which we go after cigarettes, let's legalize drugs. Legalize the manufacture of drugs. License the Cali cartel. Make them taxpayers, and then sue them. Sue them left and right, and then get control of the price, and generate tax revenue from it. Raise the price sky high, and fund all sorts of other wonderful social programs."

And his opinion about the tortures administered in Iraqui prison camps . . .

"Sounds to me in the context of war this is pretty good intimidation ... Maybe the people who ordered this are pretty smart. Maybe the people who executed this pulled off a brilliant maneuver. Nobody got hurt. Nobody got physically injured. But boy there was a lot of humiliation of people who are trying to kill us -- in ways they hold dear. Sounds pretty effective to me if you look at us in the right context."

He even supported the notorious Patriot Act that is designed to take away every Ämerican citizen's civil rights . . . including yours . . . . and in the end who was caught by the fine type in the Patriot Act? Rush Limbaugh withdrawing $10,000.00 from his bank account to buy drugs.

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Babs
dont be scared of the majority opinion  in america iaapac, if polls are anything to go by, many feel similar to you, only you took a stand imo.

Iraq War Increased Terror Risk, Say 57% 0f Americans

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This is more democratic hype. When are you guys going to realize that the media is liberal? America ain't.

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Babs
Thank you, Morpheus.  It is one thing to be an American and another to be a thinking American.  And in the end, when all else fails, there remains the basic human right to be an ex-American.

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No one said you can't exercise choice. You can leave the U.S.. Anyone can. I'm saying it wasn't a good choice for you or your family... or your country.

Remember iaapac, you can say or do whatever you like.......and so can I. wink2.gif

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Have we listened to Limbaugh?  Usually once or twice is enough for a rational person to conclude he is a raving lunatic.  Let's look at what he says about drug abuse . . .

"What is missing in the drug fight is legalization. If we want to go after drugs with the same fervor and intensity with which we go after cigarettes, let's legalize drugs. Legalize the manufacture of drugs. License the Cali cartel. Make them taxpayers, and then sue them. Sue them left and right, and then get control of the price, and generate tax revenue from it. Raise the price sky high, and fund all sorts of other wonderful social programs."

And his opinion about the tortures administered in Iraqui prison camps . . .

"Sounds to me in the context of war this is pretty good intimidation ... Maybe the people who ordered this are pretty smart. Maybe the people who executed this pulled off a brilliant maneuver. Nobody got hurt. Nobody got physically injured. But boy there was a lot of humiliation of people who are trying to kill us -- in ways they hold dear. Sounds pretty effective to me if you look at us in the right context."

He even supported the notorious Patriot Act that is designed to take away every Ämerican citizen's civil rights . . . including yours . . . . and in the end who was caught by the fine type in the Patriot Act?  Rush Limbaugh withdrawing $10,000.00 from his bank account to buy drugs.

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laugh.gif That's pretty good. I like that. Sorry, iaapac, I don't listen to Rush.

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Have we listened to Limbaugh? Usually once or twice is enough for a rational person to conclude he is a raving lunatic. Let's look at what he says about drug abuse . . .

I am not interested in 'Liberal Talking Points'. I asked YOU have YOU ever listened to Rush Limbaugh? And not for a sound bite or two...but for a few hours? If you are not willing to listen...you don't have the right to criticize. I HAVE listened to the Main Stream Press for YEARS and years. I know exactly what they say and how biased they are.

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You talk about the conditions created by this idiot you idolize as being something temporary that can be handled like "taking out the garbage."  The debts he has created will not be paid by your great-great grandchildren.  The government this lunatic heads is borrowing 20 million dollars a day from the very nations you criticize and the same nations with which the U.S. is supposed to compete in industry.  The building boom in the United States is sponsored by Japan, for Godssake!

You speak as if leaving the U.S. is a sacrifice.  It is not.  Each person has the personal responsibility of doing what is best for himself when all other avenues of improving the conditions of his nation have failed.

It is of no difference to me or anyone else what you want or who you want in your nation.  Anyone who wants George Bush has to have some pretty defective value judgements and thus dilutes the quality of their opinions.

By being an expatriate, I join the ranks of James Joyce, Picasso, Ernest Hemmingway . . . . these were people who were "fair weather friends?"  They contributed more to humanity than you ever will if reincarnation is true.

And "What would have happened to our forefathers if they had given up?"  Again, I wish you would learn something about American history before making these shallow arguments.  A vast portion of the colonist population, sometimes estimated as high as 40% either opposed the revolution or returned to England. 

"Nothing is hard and set, so there are exceptions to the basic make-up of those who chose to remain loyal to the British Crown. However, many were successful merchants, lawyers, or held a political office of some sort for the British government. Their religious persuasion tended to be Anglican (The Church of England), although there were many exceptions to this. British sympathies were strong in Pennsylvania, South Carolina, and North Carolina. They were strongest, however, in New York, New Jersey, and Georgia. They were least likely to be found in Massachusetts, Virginia, Maryland, and Connecticut. Large landowners of every socio-economic strata tended to feel it was in their best interest to be sympathetic to the Crown.

Some Loyalists immediately left for England, where they rallied King George III's subjects for their cause. Others went to Canada. But many, perhaps most, remained in America. Some fought their neighbors or agitated local Indians against the Americans. Others did little to support the troops who fought for their cause, often from fear that their property would be confiscated and sold."  On the Trail of United Empire Loyalists

Tracing Your American Revolutionary War Ancestry

1775 - 1783

By Margaret Smith

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You're hilarious. You join the ranks of Ernest Hemmingway, Picasso etc etc. laugh.gif You have really gone off the deep end now. w00t.gif Hemmingway was a violent wife beater, Picasso was a intense violent man becoming mentally unstable toward the end of his life... there was even some mystery surrounding his death. James Joyce, I have no personal history of...but even as these people had tumultuous lives they did bring immeasurable gifts to humanity. What's your gift to humanity? You won't even stay in your own country when the going gets tough. ohmy.gif

Thanks for the history lesson...I sort of knew most of it, although you found someone to put a different tint to it.

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sanchera1978

So you take all your info from good old RUSH. You have more faith in a drug addict then your news media huh. Most of the media is owned by Clear water communications the owner is a republican and bush supporter so why would he allow his own companies to have an agenda that contradicts his own??? You people are beyond help. Maybe the day will come when you open your eyes and see what is really happening in the world around you. You have such a huge belief in the your current admin its really amazing. I wonder what it would take to truly open your eyes and ears?

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Babs

HUH??...I don't listen to Rush, although I have heard him a few times. There are things I disagree with him on and many things I agree with. The people behind Bush aren't just right wingers or republicans, sanchera, trust me. wink2.gif

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This is more democratic hype. When are you guys going to realize that the media is liberal? America ain't

lol

you say that like thats a good thing haha

so what your saying is America isnt a liberal society, the values of liberty are not values which the american people agree with????

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StalingradK

Um... why do all threads go off Topic within the first 10 pages?

We are fighting a war we won already, It's time to bring our troops out and set up a small establishment in Germany incase of other conflicts that are imminent. We have enough money to give, why not just give it to the Iraqis and let them rebuild their country? They aren't going to fall into a democracy in a blink of an eye, anyone who ever thought that is naive.

Anyways, let's stop focussing on foreign policys and focus on bettering our country, a lot of it has gone to hell lately if most of you haven't noticed. Man, this would never had happened if Gore was friggin elected.

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Celumnaz
This is more democratic hype. When are you guys going to realize that the media is liberal? America ain't

lol

you say that like thats a good thing haha

It is a good thing.

so what your saying is America isnt a liberal society, the values of liberty are not values which the american people agree with????

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Liberalism has nothing to do with Liberty. It's a coopted word, like Gay no longer means Happy. Liberalism has come to mean, socialist, hedonist, environmentalist wacko, femnazi, elitiest hollywood, political correctness... those things are "Liberalism". They have nothing to do with Liberty.

Some would think that "Liberal" and "Libertarian" are the same thing. Not so. Not even close. The language is corrupt to keep the dumb and confused, dumb and confused.

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iaapac
You talk about the conditions created by this idiot you idolize as being something temporary that can be handled like "taking out the garbage."  The debts he has created will not be paid by your great-great grandchildren.  The government this lunatic heads is borrowing 20 million dollars a day from the very nations you criticize and the same nations with which the U.S. is supposed to compete in industry.  The building boom in the United States is sponsored by Japan, for Godssake!

You speak as if leaving the U.S. is a sacrifice.  It is not.  Each person has the personal responsibility of doing what is best for himself when all other avenues of improving the conditions of his nation have failed.

It is of no difference to me or anyone else what you want or who you want in your nation.  Anyone who wants George Bush has to have some pretty defective value judgements and thus dilutes the quality of their opinions.

By being an expatriate, I join the ranks of James Joyce, Picasso, Ernest Hemmingway . . . . these were people who were "fair weather friends?"  They contributed more to humanity than you ever will if reincarnation is true.

And "What would have happened to our forefathers if they had given up?"  Again, I wish you would learn something about American history before making these shallow arguments.  A vast portion of the colonist population, sometimes estimated as high as 40% either opposed the revolution or returned to England. 

"Nothing is hard and set, so there are exceptions to the basic make-up of those who chose to remain loyal to the British Crown. However, many were successful merchants, lawyers, or held a political office of some sort for the British government. Their religious persuasion tended to be Anglican (The Church of England), although there were many exceptions to this. British sympathies were strong in Pennsylvania, South Carolina, and North Carolina. They were strongest, however, in New York, New Jersey, and Georgia. They were least likely to be found in Massachusetts, Virginia, Maryland, and Connecticut. Large landowners of every socio-economic strata tended to feel it was in their best interest to be sympathetic to the Crown.

Some Loyalists immediately left for England, where they rallied King George III's subjects for their cause. Others went to Canada. But many, perhaps most, remained in America. Some fought their neighbors or agitated local Indians against the Americans. Others did little to support the troops who fought for their cause, often from fear that their property would be confiscated and sold."  On the Trail of United Empire Loyalists

Tracing Your American Revolutionary War Ancestry

1775 - 1783

By Margaret Smith

789986[/snapback]

You're hilarious. You join the ranks of Ernest Hemmingway, Picasso etc etc. laugh.gif You have really gone off the deep end now. w00t.gif Hemmingway was a violent wife beater, Picasso was a intense violent man becoming mentally unstable toward the end of his life... there was even some mystery surrounding his death. James Joyce, I have no personal history of...but even as these people had tumultuous lives they did bring immeasurable gifts to humanity. What's your gift to humanity? You won't even stay in your own country when the going gets tough. ohmy.gif

Thanks for the history lesson...I sort of knew most of it, although you found someone to put a different tint to it.

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Since you don't seem to be able to understand the meaning related to words and can't read my lips, let's take this by syllables for you.

I said nothing about the character of these people. My quote was "They contributed more to humanity than you ever will if reincarnation is true," and I will stand by that quote. They made significant contributions.

If you would like to ignore the points of the declining national economy and growing national debt and the corrections to your falty history references, then I will pretend that I owe you an answer about my contributions.

You will find me listed in Amazon as the author of books, you will find that I was honored by the Government of Honduras for contributions to the youth of that nation (Sen. Gerardo Carranza Diaz, gobierno@honduras.com, I have been honored by seven institutions of higher learning in Mexico, I have worked with UNESCO and served the United States as a member of the military. I feel comfortable that I have given of myself and my resources for the benefit of others.

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sanchera1978

Dont listen to Babs she just has her head in the sand. If you say anything against the government she thinks of you as an unpatriotic idiot. She should be the poster child for the kind of citzen the bush admin wants all america to be.

PS. Babs not all my post are in reference to you. I wasnt saying you listen to rush limbaugh someone else stated they prefer to listen to him for news in stead of abc, nbc, cnn, and so forth becuase they are biased towards bush. Which i find particularly funny since Rush is also biased just on the other side.

Iaapac would you mind PM me some of the books you've written I would be interested in reading your work.

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iaapac
Dont listen to Babs she just has her head in the sand. If you say anything against the government she thinks of you as an unpatriotic idiot. She should be the poster child for the kind of citzen the bush admin wants all america to be.

PS. Babs not all my post are in reference to you. I wasnt saying you listen to rush limbaugh someone else stated they prefer to listen to him for news in stead of abc, nbc, cnn, and so forth becuase they are biased towards bush.  Which i find particularly funny since Rush is also biased just on the other side.

Iaapac would you mind PM me some of the books you've written I would be interested in reading your work.

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Wow, you'll probably find them in the rare books section now. My last book was 1985! I wrote Shanghai Diary which was a compilation of tales I gathered while in China and I wrote Smith County Justice that was an expose of corrupt undercover narcotics cops. I hope to have a new book out next September called "Timeless" it is on the editors desk for final review now. In Europe I had "Spiritual Links" which appears on records as πνευματικές συνδέσεις since it was published in Greece and deals with methodologies for translating undeciphered languages into a written and verbal form by finding like symbols in other tongues and building the thread of relative sound values to finally read, write and speak a dead language.

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Celumnaz
Pro-America Rally in Crawford Draws Fierce Backlash

Mike Gallagher

Tuesday, Aug. 16, 2005

Who would have ever thought that organizing a trip to Crawford, Texas, would result in someone writing me hoping that my wife gets cancer and dies and my sons are killed in a terrible accident?

That sentiment was fairly typical of the hundreds of e-mails we've received after our bus trip to Crawford Friday night to show support for President Bush and the soldiers fighting the war on terror. Evidently, our little adventure has touched a raw nerve in the fierce anti-war crowd. As I understand it, our Friday night trip to Crawford was characterized by "the bloggers" as an attempt to harrass and bully Cindy Sheehan, mother of Casey, a slain soldier from California, who is staging a vigil in Crawford to protest the war and seek a second meeting with President Bush. (Ms. Sheehan met with President Bush shortly after her son was killed, over a year ago.)

When I heard that she was being joined by other anti-war protesters, I decided on the spur of the moment to organize a bus trip to Crawford to feature Americans who support the president and the war on terror. The concept evolved during Friday's radio show. We were off the air at noon and headed for Crawford at 3:30 p.m. in a bus packed with people in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area who agreed with my efforts.

When we got to the protest area outside the president's ranch, we stood alongside the road and sang patriotic songs, waved our flags, and said supportive things about the troops and their commander in chief. Then we got back in our bus and went home.

At no point would we have ever considered antagonizing or confronting Cindy Sheehan. She's suffered enough. All Americans mourn her loss. We just strongly disagree with her accusation that President Bush "killed [her] son."

In fact, when a couple of reporters asked me if I would go over to the anti-war protest site and confront them, I asked why in the world I would do that. That wasn't our intent at all. I didn't even want to meet her, and if I had, I would have told her only how sorry I am for her loss.

So who could possibly find fault with about 100 or 150 of us who waved flags and sang "God Bless America" in Crawford Friday night?

Lots of people, evidently. Check out the e-mail I've gotten all weekend long at mikeonline.com. These are actual e-mails, with legitimate e-mail addresses. People who think I'm a "pig" for supporting the president while my sons go to college. People who maintain that I don't have a right to disagree with the anti-war folks until all my four sons are killed in Iraq. A guy from Houston who hopes I'll visit him to he can "take care of [me]".

It's pretty astounding stuff, and I warn you, don't read it if you're faint of heart. Seems that a lot of these "peace-loving" anti-war protesters don't mind resorting to threats of violence as long as it's a conservative radio talk show host on the receiving end! Besides the violent streak, many of them also have a mouth that Mama needs to wash out with soap.

We've done our best to clean up the vile language. But I wanted to be sure you saw what we're up against.

And we are up against it. While millions of us strongly support this military effort to keep our country safe from future terror attacks, there is a chorus of protesters who don't want our side to be heard. Consider the sheer audacity of believing that only the anti-war protesters are allowed to be heard and covered in the news media. To these anti-Bush hatemongers, the rest of us should be silenced, intimiated, shouted down and insulted.

Well, Friday night's little bus trip was a joyful expression of patriotism. I'm told that similiar rallies are starting to occur in Crawford, too. That's wonderful news. Perhaps our little spontaneous event paved the way for more displays of support for our president and our armed forces outside the president's home in Texas.

That's keeping with my ongoing theme of turning a negative into a giant positive. I'm proud of what we accomplished Friday night and grateful to everyone who took part. Not only were we joined, both on the bus and in Crawford, by over 100 people, but also thousands of dollars poured into our foundation's Web site, www.gallaghersarmy.com, to fund the trip and continue our efforts to benefit the troops and their families.

Together, let's keep fighting the good fight. Good will triumph over evil. And we'll continue to win the hearts and minds of Americans who love this country, honor its troops, and support our commander in chief.

God bless America.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2...15/164423.shtml

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sanchera1978

Thats wrong.. Pro Bush or Pro war people have the same right to be heard and shouldnt be threatened with violence. Especially wishing them dead. Both sides are the same though... which is a shame. people should be civlized enought to be able to disagree on something and still be civil to each other. insults and violence just cause harm and do nothing to resolve the problem.

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jeceris

the line in the last paragraph, "good will triumph over evil" ?????

oh ease up.

at least it's good to see some americans really questioning the invasion/hostile takeover of iraq.

you need to have that.

and i saw more of the right wing media, last night, from fox to msnbc calling sheehan a "crackpot" and continuing to question her sanity.

the right wing media is pathetic at best when they do that.

and bush with his comment "it's time i moved on" when refering to the situation, like it's some casual love affair to be discarded and forgotten.

her has no sympathy, no regret, and america, your debt increases every day, and your children are dying for no real cause, and you will never be able to get out of iraq, it has become vietnam 2, and you still support death and destruction.

the christian right wing is the most hypocritical organization to walk the earth since the inquisition.

and it would appear i can't rant enough on this topic.

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and i saw more of the right wing media, last night, from fox to msnbc calling sheehan a "crackpot" and continuing to question her sanity

she is a crackpot though, have you read any of her rants? she blames the jews lol

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It does seem that the peace activists are the first to resort to threats and violence, which is very ironic. blink.gif

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Celumnaz
the line in the last paragraph, "good will triumph over evil" ?????

oh ease up.

would it make ya feel better to say "evil will triumph over good"?

your debt increases every day

This year's federal deficit will come in at $331 billion, well below the $412 billion deficit in 2004.

and you will never be able to get out of iraq, it has become vietnam 2

It was veitnam before we even went there, so sayeth the lefty media. And they complain about Bush strategerizing about Iraq before 9/11, Iraq was a vietnam to these guys you buy into back in the 1st gulf war.

you still support death and destruction.

Boy is that backwards. Go talk to the guys that cut off heads.

and it would appear i can't rant enough on this topic.

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in any knowledgable way? Agree!

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Babs
You talk about the conditions created by this idiot you idolize as being something temporary that can be handled like "taking out the garbage."  The debts he has created will not be paid by your great-great grandchildren.  The government this lunatic heads is borrowing 20 million dollars a day from the very nations you criticize and the same nations with which the U.S. is supposed to compete in industry.  The building boom in the United States is sponsored by Japan, for Godssake!

You speak as if leaving the U.S. is a sacrifice.  It is not.  Each person has the personal responsibility of doing what is best for himself when all other avenues of improving the conditions of his nation have failed.

It is of no difference to me or anyone else what you want or who you want in your nation.  Anyone who wants George Bush has to have some pretty defective value judgements and thus dilutes the quality of their opinions.

By being an expatriate, I join the ranks of James Joyce, Picasso, Ernest Hemmingway . . . . these were people who were "fair weather friends?"  They contributed more to humanity than you ever will if reincarnation is true.

And "What would have happened to our forefathers if they had given up?"  Again, I wish you would learn something about American history before making these shallow arguments.  A vast portion of the colonist population, sometimes estimated as high as 40% either opposed the revolution or returned to England. 

"Nothing is hard and set, so there are exceptions to the basic make-up of those who chose to remain loyal to the British Crown. However, many were successful merchants, lawyers, or held a political office of some sort for the British government. Their religious persuasion tended to be Anglican (The Church of England), although there were many exceptions to this. British sympathies were strong in Pennsylvania, South Carolina, and North Carolina. They were strongest, however, in New York, New Jersey, and Georgia. They were least likely to be found in Massachusetts, Virginia, Maryland, and Connecticut. Large landowners of every socio-economic strata tended to feel it was in their best interest to be sympathetic to the Crown.

Some Loyalists immediately left for England, where they rallied King George III's subjects for their cause. Others went to Canada. But many, perhaps most, remained in America. Some fought their neighbors or agitated local Indians against the Americans. Others did little to support the troops who fought for their cause, often from fear that their property would be confiscated and sold."  On the Trail of United Empire Loyalists

Tracing Your American Revolutionary War Ancestry

1775 - 1783

By Margaret Smith

789986[/snapback]

You're hilarious. You join the ranks of Ernest Hemmingway, Picasso etc etc. laugh.gif You have really gone off the deep end now. w00t.gif Hemmingway was a violent wife beater, Picasso was a intense violent man becoming mentally unstable toward the end of his life... there was even some mystery surrounding his death. James Joyce, I have no personal history of...but even as these people had tumultuous lives they did bring immeasurable gifts to humanity. What's your gift to humanity? You won't even stay in your own country when the going gets tough. ohmy.gif

Thanks for the history lesson...I sort of knew most of it, although you found someone to put a different tint to it.

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Since you don't seem to be able to understand the meaning related to words and can't read my lips, let's take this by syllables for you.

I said nothing about the character of these people. My quote was "They contributed more to humanity than you ever will if reincarnation is true," and I will stand by that quote. They made significant contributions.

If you would like to ignore the points of the declining national economy and growing national debt and the corrections to your falty history references, then I will pretend that I owe you an answer about my contributions.

You will find me listed in Amazon as the author of books, you will find that I was honored by the Government of Honduras for contributions to the youth of that nation (Sen. Gerardo Carranza Diaz, gobierno@honduras.com, I have been honored by seven institutions of higher learning in Mexico, I have worked with UNESCO and served the United States as a member of the military. I feel comfortable that I have given of myself and my resources for the benefit of others.

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What I was alluding to and my point was: that these people, you hold in high esteem, as do I and the rest of humanity, had very tortured turbulent lives. I was referring to them as I refer to your life and what you have chosen for yourself and family. As an example, which you have brought forward, Picasso and Hemmingway: I can't believe that in 30 years you will be happy, just as these people weren't happy (they left their homelands), though they contributed enormously to society.

That's what I was saying and BTW I didn't understand the sentence about reincarnation huh.gif. Maybe you should have taken that by syllables. devil.giflaugh.gif

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What does reincarnation have to do with their contributions? Their contributions to society has already been felt and will be experienced for all time. I agree, though, if reincarnation is true it will take their contributions to another level. Is that what you are getting at?

Okay, so you are saying you or I won't make any difference. Well that's where we differ. You are wrong.

Every life makes a difference. You chose to take your talents to another country.

.............BTW, who are you and how do I look you up? I need a name.

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iaapac

It is a question of personal values and experiences, Babs. I attended university in England and later worked in various parts of Europe. My work required extensive travel and as a result I actually lived in the States a small percentage of my life. That and existing policies with which I could never agree caused me to decide to leave. I have no family and so whatever consequences might follow would be only mine.

The truth is that I am extremely happy living here. I find my view of the world and its people and its condition is broader and more encompassing because of that distance.

At any rate, I appreciate your last message that was a bit more understanding but the fact is that few artists or writers of that period were typical, content people. It was a time of great turbulence and it brought out the best themes for their writings but the worst scenarios for their lives. But you are right, I referred to them for their contributions, not their behavior.

Perhaps the choice of these three men was not the best but they represented those that produced the most lasting works. Perhaps I should have listed Gertrude Stein, Paul Bowles, James Baldwin, Rita Hayworth, Sherwood Anderson, Djuna Barnes, Samuel Beckett, Kay Boyle, John Dos Passos, Lawrence Durrell, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Ford Madox Ford, H. D. (Hilda Doolittle), Henry Miller, Anaïs Nin, Ezra Pound, Alexander Trocchi, Christopher Logue, Patrick Bowles, Richard Seavers, Allen Ginsberg, Gregory Corso, William Burroughs, TS Eliot and Josephine Baker but that would cover only a few that lived in Paris.

Being an expatriate is nothing new. If there is to be any recovery from the damage done to the United States' international reputation, it will be done for the most part by good diplomats and reputable expatriates.

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